Before buying 3D and especially with kids at home, best do some research on health effect. IMO, should proceed with caution.
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Jan 9 2011, 07:17 AM
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Before buying 3D and especially with kids at home, best do some research on health effect. IMO, should proceed with caution.
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Jan 9 2011, 04:34 PM
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The thing with medical research is they are often conflicting.
BERKELEY, CA (KGO) -- It appears entertainment can be bad for our health. A UC Berkeley vision scientist (Professor Martin Banks) is calling attention to what he calls "3D fatigue." His research shows if 3D movies or television is done badly, it strains the viewer's eyes. I would think anything that increases eye strain is a bad thing. My opinion still stands when it comes to young kids. While future study may say there are no risk, is it worth risking your kid's eyes until everything settles down? |
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Jan 10 2011, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE(kanasai @ Jan 9 2011, 11:47 PM) I'd like to know that as well since I just got my 50U20K too. And what do you guys recommend for the burn in? I'm using the picture slides from the THIS WEBSITE to burn in my unit. Not sure if it's any good. Since I know my equipment are reliable and wouldn't stop midway showing the slides or stuck with one slide, I just let it burn with default contrast etc. No point wasting time and just get it over ASAP.I had the brightness and contrast set at 50 only as well for the current burn in period. Is that conservative enough? |
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Jan 10 2011, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(kanasai @ Jan 10 2011, 01:29 PM) Well, 200 hours is quite a long time though. It will take more than 8 days even if I burn it for 24hours per day. And that kind of ticked off my parents a little bit since they can't really enjoy watching astro for now as they had to constantly switching channels every now and then to reduce the risk of image retention and burn mark of the channel logo. They think that it's ridiculous in having to "condition" the TV for that long before can really enjoy it, but I'd rather be safe than sorry after dropping close to RM4K on it. yes it is a pain in the neck. Like having to properly break in car. |
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Jan 10 2011, 06:01 PM
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Jan 13 2011, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(frostier @ Jan 13 2011, 01:58 PM) The A28K is different in audio. Some said better sound quality. BUt the A28K is also no stock. Unless you intend to install better external sound system, otherwise, A28 may be worth checking out.This is what I get from kevinc66 (jintexelectronics..com) RM1799 I think u just asked him in the forum. |
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Jan 13 2011, 10:39 PM
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Jan 15 2011, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(sken @ Jan 15 2011, 02:26 AM) Generally speaking, once bought, people shouldn't go around asking whether it's a good bargain or not. We will all say it's a great bargain. No point crying over spilled milk if it wasn't. BTW, I have no idea what is the price of your TV but I will still say it's a great bargain. This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 15 2011, 07:06 AM |
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Jan 17 2011, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(bumfart @ Jan 13 2011, 02:31 PM) my viera plasma speakers torn. removed the speakers, and tried to find in pasar road, but cannot find the same model. only some imitation ones. the sound is like crap now, but what to do. May be get a cheap Home Theater in a Box to complement the TV?can only find the ori speakers on ebay. anyone knows where to buy the ori speakers in KL? |
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Jan 17 2011, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(bumfart @ Jan 17 2011, 11:37 AM) if for less computer savvy user (your parent perhaps?), may be better to get them a "press one button and everything work" type of easy to use "Home Theater in a Box" thing. My 2 sen. |
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Jan 17 2011, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(fit @ Jan 17 2011, 11:50 AM) We are all adult so I don't know why these question can't be placed in this thread at all.Different people like different thing because as far as picture is concern, there are differences. Color wise. Panasonic are softer but more natural. Samsung are sharper but less natural (some would called it more vivid). For me vivid equates to cartoon color so I picked Panasonic so every time I went to check out TV, I always insist they not put on cartoon show for me to watch. I insisted on watching picture with real human skin tone. As for watching normal Standard Definition program, Samsung seems to have better reputation. But on reliability, people told me Panasonic has better reputation. |
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Jan 30 2011, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Jan 29 2011, 01:28 PM) for panasonic 50" plasma tv On price, sure there are differences. V model is almost double the price of the X model. The U model is somewhere in between.if there a huge different between fullHD(1080p) and HD(720p) models? in terms of picture quality and price thanks As for PQ, don't go around comparing them side by side and if you are not picky, where got any difference? But if you do, sure got differences. So how to answer your question? |
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Jan 31 2011, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 31 2011, 02:10 PM) An update on the 50U20. I mentioned earlier that I suspect the True Cinema mode has better blacks. Yesterday, when calibrated a U20 I noticed that the black levels in TrueCinema with brightness set to 0 is about 0.009ft/l - 0.01ft/L. This is much better than in Cinema mode of about 0.06ft/L. (I need to verify these numbers with my newer meter that is more accurate for black measurements that I shd receive in February).But there is a catch and u can verify it urself. If u raise the brightness by one notch, if u go near the display there is excessive noise in the black areas (dithering of all the sub pixels that elevate the levels to dark grey) that cause the elevated black levels. So, u will hv to lose some details in the black (ideally on the pluge pattern 17 and above would be visible, in this u would barely see 19 and above) to get better black levels. The good news does not stop there, the gamma tracking in the True Cinema is is so much better hovering between 1.95 - 2.1. So the image in a dark/dim room is that much better. The more important thing is that the colour gamut, is now accurate, no more wide gamut. There is a colour decoding error and the secondary colours are not that great but its much better than in Cinema mode where it is wide gamut! Also I was able to go much brighter white window of 36ft/L in TrueCinema without clipping compared to Cinema mode. I will calibrate one more U20 this week and will gather more data. If this is repeatable, it makes U20 worth its money. The only issue is the not too great anti reflective coating that is a minus point. So for those who own a U20 and do not plan on getting it calibrated, select TrueCinema and check the brightness out urself. Pull a movie that has 2.35:1 bars and increase/decrease the brightness and get very close (1-2in) frm the screen to see the black levels change. I would set it so that the noise disappears and remember that u r losing some shadow details, but its not too much. I would like to understand but all I see is |
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Jan 31 2011, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 31 2011, 06:37 PM) In short, if u own a U20 use the True Cinema mode and leave brightness at 0. The black levels are best at this setting. As for True Cinema. It's too dim and the color dull so unless I switch off the room light, I don't use it. Most of the time, I stick to either Cinema or Normal. |
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 31 2011, 06:44 PM) For the set that I calibrated yesterday, I set the contrast to about 70+ and that got me a brighter picture than Cinema. Normal is plenty bright due to the nature of the gamma and white crush. This is for dim room viewing of HD sources. Again, nothing beats a calibration so this is arbitrary. Thank you. I will try again. |
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QUOTE(ken_twh @ Feb 6 2011, 02:15 PM) i'm thinking to get a U20 or V20. mostly U20 due to the budget. will go jusco again to see the difference later and compare the price with bros here... Do tell us your comparison.do u think the price will drop rapidly soon? LOL The problem with shop comparison is, you have no control over the setting. For example, I have seen the U being much better than the X and this is logically to be expected. But I have also seen in shop the X looking better than the U In short, the shop can make any good HDTV looks bad if he doesn't want you to buy it. |
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QUOTE(opfish @ Feb 8 2011, 11:37 AM) Got new expensive hobby, but need to change my CRT. So I've decided to take a THP42X20K. I was told that although it is not HD, the unit can still produce good quality HD contents. How true is this? Besides watching recorded HD media, will it be good for watching Astro B.yond? Full HD only important if you have big screen or viewing distance is short.42" is not exactly very big screen. And I think if you watch say.....10 feet away, you wouldn't see the difference. |
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QUOTE(PoorMan @ Feb 9 2011, 11:36 PM) It works fine with just the ceiling fan. My family runs the V20 for 15-18 hours a day and we have been using it like that for the last 8 months since V20 availability in May2010 without any air-cond. Let me see......it takes at least RM100/month to run an air cond. BTW, are you saying that you will install and run an air-cond in the room just so that your plasma TV can last longer? Hehe ... wouldn't it be better to justify the air-cond on the comfort of your family? RM1200 a year. RM6000 for 5 years. By then and with prices of Plasma dropping like flies, it will probably allows you to buy a brand new V series 65" Plasma in Year 2016 |
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Yes, Panasonic colors are truly awesomely natural (especially drop dead gorgeous human skin tones and Red color) to look at PROVIDED there are no reflection problem and in dim room. IMO, no other types and brand of panel TV can touches it in those circumstances.
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Feb 14 2011, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 14 2011, 10:43 AM) A further update on the performance of the 50U20. Thank you very much for the super detail report. Unfortunately, most of it are Greek to me but I appreciate it nevertheless. So far, I am very happy with 50U except for the reflection issue. Dim the light, draw the curtain and the color naturalness is jaw dropping good. The human skin tone are to die for and I doubt Sammy/LG can match it for naturalness, even though I have never seen one in residential house. I have only seen them in showroom setting and those don't count.I calibrated another set yesterday. I would like to confirm that the black levels of this set that had about 670hrs on it was about 0.023ft/L. (As reference, the V20 had about 0.009ft/L (pre rise, post rise I would guess 0.015ft/L), a Kuro 8G was about 0.008/0.009ft/L high age, a 9G Kuro is about 0.001ft/L, Sammy with Cinema Smooth on are 0.04ft/L, without are about 0.02ft/L).This is not too bad. This is for a 23.976fps signal. I believe this black level with the 50Hz signal should be similar and a 60Hz will have slightly lower black levels. The black levels are best in TrueCinema mode and the proper brightness setting is either at 0 or -1. Anything less will lead to black crush, anything more will have elevated black levels (u can actually see noisy blacks when its set higher). I could get a windowed pattern of 37ft/L for peak white with no white clipping in TrueCinema. I could not get it any brighter. In Cinema mode, I could not get it above 30ft/L. For TrueCinema, the contrast was about 70+. TrueCinema mode has the best colour reproduction with colour control around 52-53. Gamma was around 2.1. This is so much better than Cinema that had a wide colour gamut (innacurate colours) and a lower gamma of about 1.8-1.9. In actual viewing, True Cinema had the pop post calibration. Greyscale was alos better before calibration for TrueCinema. Greyscale calibration was done in the service menu. Sharpness was set to a minimum but u need to switch off overscan in the setup menu and use 16:9 to get proper pixel to pixel matching. Using Just overscans 2.5% and with overscan on, u could lose up to 5%. I think this set post calibration is value for money at the prices that it was going for recently. The TrueCinema mode is the scene stealer in the U20. Colour reproduction has never been this good in entry level Pannys before. The older S10 did not have this last year. Anyway, I will go back and try out your setting of True Cinema/Brightness 0 or -1/Contrast +70. Thanks. |
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