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post Sep 4 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(constant @ Sep 4 2010, 12:15 AM)
What about the leverage used? I think leverage increased to 40+% meaning they part finance through loans. This might make the new acquisition yield higher than 7.25%?

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Leverage means that its improves the total earning eventually could translate into higher DPU, aka yield.
But the deal is partly financed through new unit issuance, so effect (the higher leverage that improve the DPU) is cancelling each another (the effect of lower yield of new properties through new share issuance hence dilution effect)
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 4 2010, 12:13 AM)
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 4 2010, 12:08 AM)
oh......?  But I thought this 7.25% = approximately 19 million will then be divided by the number of units to get the yield? Not judging by only the yield percentage from the letting-out of building premises, isn't it? hmm.gif
270m X 7.25% = 19.5m rental
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The total of unit is increased now, through new 122 million unit
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from the report it seems that AmanahRaya and Starhill has very similar price and similar return... which one is a better buy now?
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 4 2010, 12:06 AM)
Ya, i realize that. And after reading the Axreit's paper, I also found out that the same case applies to Axreit too. FY10 yield suppose to reach 8%, but because of the expansion(special offer for new tenants 1st year etc) , the yield becomes 7.3%. And the yield will only goes back to 8% for the FY11. But then, I even start to worry what if they have more expansion plans for FY11? Then our yield will remains at 7.x% level.  shocking.gif

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The major difference is the acquisition is done through borrowing, which eventually being pared down through issuing of private placement at a good price (at a premium of its NAV).

The major issue, is the new shares issued at what price.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2010, 12:29 AM)
The total of unit is increased now, through new 122 million unit
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yeah...units increased though, but total yield from previous & new buildings divide by total number units including newly issued, according to the researcher , will improve slightly from 0.9% to 1.3% hmm.gif
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QUOTE(phangan @ Sep 4 2010, 12:32 AM)
from the report it seems that AmanahRaya and Starhill has very similar price and similar return... which one is a better buy now?
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I don't dare to say which is better.

But I prefer Stareit, although I own both, I am more on Stareit compared to Arreit.
Mainly Stareit has little borrowing to achieve currently yield.
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 4 2010, 12:34 AM)
yeah...units increased though, but total yield from previous & new buildings divide by total number units including newly issued, according to the researcher , will improve slightly from 0.9% to 1.3% hmm.gif
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The improvement come from the borrowing part, but soon or later, I suspect (my guess only), there will be new private placement, or new shares being issued as well, as >40% borrowing is quite high level and near to the threshold set by the guideline.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2010, 12:35 AM)
I don't dare to say which is better.

But I prefer Stareit, although I own both,  I am more on Stareit compared to Arreit.
Mainly Stareit has little borrowing to achieve currently yield.
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 4 2010, 12:08 AM)
oh......?  But I thought this 7.25% = approximately 19 million will then be divided by the number of units to get the yield? Not judging by only the yield percentage from the letting-out of building premises, isn't it? hmm.gif
270m X 7.25% = 19.5m rental
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sharesa,

The yield is derived based on the purchase price of the properties, so in REITs term, we are getting what we paid for.

QUOTE(constant @ Sep 4 2010, 12:15 AM)
Hi Jordy,

What about the leverage used? I think leverage increased to 40+% meaning they part finance through loans. This might make the new acquisition yield higher than 7.25%?


Added on September 4, 2010, 12:24 amWhat I don't like is they issue new units to PKNS at MARKET price of rm0.88, not rm0.95. rm0.95 was the price they bought a smaller additional investment from ARB. should have issue at 0.95 also at least. Signs of incompetent management or something fishy?
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constant,

As mentioned above, the yield is based on the purchase price. Which means that the source of funding is not important. The important issue here is the price these properties were bought and the rental they produce.

It is not for the company to decide the price for the new shares. They will have to float it based on the 5-days market average, according to the guidelines for REITs.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 4 2010, 12:41 AM)
sharesa,

The yield is derived based on the purchase price of the properties, so in REITs term, we are getting what we paid for.
constant,

As mentioned above, the yield is based on the purchase price. Which means that the source of funding is not important. The important issue here is the price these properties were bought and the rental they produce.

It is not for the company to decide the price for the new shares. They will have to float it based on the 5-days market average, according to the guidelines for REITs.
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i always thought that 270m(purchase price of building) x 7.25% = 19.5m(rental)
then, 19.5m divide by total units of Arreit = yield per unit unsure.gif
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 4 2010, 12:49 AM)
i always thought that 270m(purchase price of building)  x 7.25% = 19.5m(rental)
then, 19.5m divide by total units of Arreit = yield per unit unsure.gif
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I am not very sure too. But my guess is, for rental return of 7.25% on new assets as compare to current assets' 8.5%, the EPU forecast of FY11 able to get even better earnings by 0.9%-1.3%, is because they didn't declare equivalent amount of new units to purchase the new assets. They partially paid by cash. Therefore, even though the new assets comes with a lower 7.25% rental fees, they still able to give even better yield for FY11.

Anyhow, this is just MBB's opinion, the real figure will have to be announced by Arreit itself if they dare to. laugh.gif


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icon_rolleyes.gif From the pdf so kindly provided by brother sharesa, it seems that gross div yield (%) increases with each year until 2012........from 2010 yield at 8.6 to 9.7 in 2012.....for year 2011 it's 9.4...that means are we all getting better dividend with each year?......correct me please [thanks to all].......btw, I am not too good reading these reports. icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 4 2010, 01:59 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif From the pdf so kindly provided by brother sharesa,  it seems that gross div yield (%) increases with each year until 2012........from 2010 yield at 8.6 to 9.7 in 2012.....for year 2011 it's 9.4...that means are we all getting better dividend with each year?......correct me please [thanks to all].......btw, I am not too good reading these reports. icon_rolleyes.gif
Cheers to all. wub.gif  wub.gif
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errr...i believe sharesa is a SHE. tongue.gif

For yield increasing yearly....well, in good condition, yes. However, that just mean if you buy it for current price. If the yield increase, normally the share price will also increase, that makes the future investors' (or if you accumulate more in the future) yield looks thinner. cool.gif

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 4 2010, 03:36 AM)
errr...i believe sharesa is a SHE.  tongue.gif

For yield increasing yearly....well, in good condition, yes. However, that just mean if you buy it for current price. If the yield increase, normally the share price will also increase, that makes the future investors' (or if you accumulate more in the future) yield looks thinner.  cool.gif
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icon_rolleyes.gif That means by the look at Arreit future dividend , it seems that at the present price of 88.5 cents it is a worthy buy. thumbup.gif That means start collecting now to hope for a better increase in share price just like Axreit. icon_idea.gif ....that means more money in the bank. laugh.gif


wub.gif Cheers brother yok70.


thumbup.gif PS......if you look at the snapshot below you will find or notice that ARREIT give the best YIELD %. rclxms.gif .........SO PERHAPS IT'S ARREIT SHARES COLLECTING TIME. whistling.gif


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icon_rolleyes.gif Just receive this email from a friend.....so thought that some of you may like to take a good look at it. whistling.gif ......maybe a little late but still worth reading. laugh.gif


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     Saturday, July 3, 2010
SUNWAY REIT IPO:THE BIGGEST RIPPED OFF IN BURSA MALAYSIA

Why you should sell Sunway REIT when it starts to rally on July 8 (listing day)?



•Jeffrey Cheah is selling his stake in Sunway REIT to "shift his focus" away from Malaysia, which FDI is dwindling at worrying rate. He knows that the Malaysian economy is going down the drain sooner or later.If it's so good,why sell it to the public?More shopping centres will flood the market in the next 2 years but the prospectus never mentioned it.


•Dividend rate is so low at 6.7% compared to other Malaysian REITs.Average dividend by other REITs is at 8.5%. Hence,the share price will normalise (drop) to follow the other Malaysian REITs. Remember to sell it on July 8.


•Sunway REIT have very large space in Sunway/USJ. Where is Sunway located? It is a suburban satelite city far away from KL city centre. So,yield at 6.7% is not justified at all.Give me a yield of 10% and I may consider it.


•What is the future expansion plan of Sunway REIT?What Sunway REIT is gonna buy to increase its NAV ? If the NAV is appreciating at inflation rate while the buildings are depreciating at even faster rate,the dividend yield may be affected due to high repair and maintainence cost.



Why bother to buy Sunway REIT?I rather buy KLCC Property Holdings which is more secured and expanding.

SUNWAY Real Estate Investment Trust is the biggest ripped off IPO in Southeast Asia this year.

icon_rolleyes.gif What say you?

Cheers. wub.gif








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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 4 2010, 09:12 AM)

icon_rolleyes.gif  What say you?

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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 4 2010, 09:12 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif Just receive this email from a friend.....so thought that some of you may like to take a good look at it. whistling.gif ......maybe a little late but still worth reading. laugh.gif
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icon_rolleyes.gif  What say you?

Cheers. wub.gif
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i'm thinking since there are better options like ARREIT and STAREIT out there, probably no such need to look at them anyways tongue.gif
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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 4 2010, 01:59 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif From the pdf so kindly provided by brother sharesa,  it seems that gross div yield (%) increases with each year until 2012........from 2010 yield at 8.6 to 9.7 in 2012.....for year 2011 it's 9.4...that means are we all getting better dividend with each year?......correct me please [thanks to all].......btw, I am not too good reading these reports. icon_rolleyes.gif
Cheers to all. wub.gif  wub.gif
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Do not 100% trust on projection figure, it is just projected only, the reality may not the same. Previously some forumers also posted some report projection of Stareit is projected to have 8-9% yield, which never is the case until now.

Borrowing cost might escalate due to OPR rising or higher refinance cost in the future (which we never can assure of) or maintenance cost might be higher due to inflation as well.

All projection figure cannot be considered as ultimate guideline, look at some report on JCY projection profit figure as recent eg.
Although Reit projection shouldn't run too far away, we don't take those projection figure as 100% accurate.

I am starting losing faith on projection figure by a lot of reports, which can be flip floping a lot one and most importantly, some are overly optimistic one.
Even buy and sell recommendation also can change within week.
I am not saying those report has no credibility, just take it as reading materials and info input, but do not trust 100% on it.

Better watch the real and up to date Q result.

Just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 4 2010, 08:51 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif That means by the look at Arreit future dividend , it seems that at the present price of 88.5 cents it is a worthy buy. thumbup.gif That means start collecting now to hope for a better increase in share price just like Axreit. icon_idea.gif ....that means more money in the bank. laugh.gif
 
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I sure hope Arreit can become the 2nd Axreit, but Axreit's income increases 100% in one year's time (so did their share price)! i doubt Arreit can beat that. laugh.gif
Anyhow, i still like Arreit for now. biggrin.gif

Anyone think current Axreit's expansion plans can possibly increase income messively in near future(again)? hmm.gif


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