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post Jul 11 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Jul 11 2010, 11:43 AM)
wub.gif  Thank you brother cherroy for your quick reply......really appreciate it. rclxms.gif  Yes, that means to say there will be no dividend for the 2nd half of 2010. ohmy.gif That is to say we the share holders will be not getting anything until 2011. moneyflies.gif  moneyflies.gif But actually since STAREIT had make some monetary gains from it's sale to Starreit Global {Singapore} , why not give the extra gains as a dividend to the Stareit shareholders for the year  whistling.gif ending 2010.....if they do, I am sure this will make the shareholders a happier lot. rclxm9.gif 
Cheers brother cherroy. cheers.gif
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No, there will still income from JW Marriot, Ritz Charlton, Japan resort, and newer properties injection should be completed before 4Q 2010, I would say expect some drop in dividend as there is gap between the disposal and injection of properties.
As Stahill and Lot 10 compeleted the disposal on June.

The realised capital gain and money proceed from it will be used to acquire/fund the newer properties injection, which has stated in the proposal.

While the disposal involved cash (600+ million) + Starhill Global convertible preference shares (400+ million), which carry 5.65% yield.

So Stareit by holding the convertible preference shares, still getting 5.65% income from it aka 400 mil x 5.65% = 20+ million interest income annual, or 10+ million for the 2nd half of 2010.

So it is not the like total no income.
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post Jul 13 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 12 2010, 06:29 PM)
Dear Cherroy and Moneyking

NO special dividend ... YET

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No special dividend lar, already mentioned as well as stated in the rationalisation proposal.
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post Jul 16 2010, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 16 2010, 10:39 AM)
It is expected. The question is, how low can it go? hmm.gif
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I don't think it can lower than 0.95 in near term.

0.90 could be a good bargain.
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post Jul 16 2010, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(takax2040 @ Jul 16 2010, 02:14 PM)
I applied for Capitamalls IPO 3000 units. On CIMB eIPO it shows that I got 3000 shared alotted.

But after listing today it shows my portfolio only has 2900 shares. Any idea where the 100 went?
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The only way is to call your broker to verify.


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post Jul 16 2010, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(hocklai8 @ Jul 16 2010, 03:58 PM)
The recent Sunreit and Cmmt IPO seems to have some news about stabilizing managers being appointed. So from what I kinda understand, it means these big fund managers will control the price of the REIT from over speculation or massive sell down?

If that's the case, then who are the stabilizing managers for all the other REITs listed in KLSE (e.g ARREIT AXREIT, etc.)
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This is more for initial period after IPO only.
Not forever.
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post Jul 16 2010, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Jul 16 2010, 04:05 PM)
Stabilizing manager normally borrow share (over-allotment) from offeror to sell to investors during the floating, and return share or money back when the period over. For previous listed REIT, don't think there is such arrangement, so don't have (maybe some have, but I didn't notice that).
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They appoint stablising manager is because both of them size of IPO is rather big as compared others. There are a lot of free float shares around.
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post Jul 17 2010, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 17 2010, 08:51 AM)
Historically REITs perform like a bond in bull times, and like an equity when in bear times.  laugh.gif . Remember during severe recession, you might have deflation and also loss of income from rentals.

This is not apparent in Malaysia's REITs during the last bear run, but it happened to a lot of foreign REIT's that they actually lost rental incomes and their value of properties depreciated. So if I were you I will be more careful to pick high yield REIT's unless there is not much impact on the property prices or rentals.
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High yield reit come from high leveraged reit.

In 2008, there are a lot of overseas reit went under main because of leverage issue, which in severe recession, and credit freezing time, those high leveraged reit cannot refinance the loan commitment, so need to fire-sale their properties during that time which is the main reason those reit went under.

If solely properties valuation depreciation, those reit won't suffer as what 2008 happened.

Recession is always associated with credit freezing because generally banks reluctantly to lend in recession due to credit risk.
Banks are always like that, promote/give their umbrella during sunshine days, but keep those umbrella during rainy days.
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post Jul 17 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Jul 17 2010, 01:08 PM)
all in all, REIT performance  is directly linked to property industry. it can be seen as a small (or cheaper) exposure to property investment.  but the recent listing of the REITs such as the suncity did not speak well for the market expectations.  any comments?
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It is not a small exposure, but a 100% exposure.

We cannot take reit pricing in the stock market as a 100% accurate indicator how the situation property market is.

Reit price in stock market is directly affected by short term demand and supply in the market.
We can also say, there are a handful of cornerstone investors like insurance fund, pension fund that willing to take up large chunck of the IPO at higher instituitional, some can interpret they have confidence as well.
So we cannot conclude anything from it.

As reit portfolio is only a few properties, some properties may have lower valuation, lower yield than the other due to location wise, and specific issue.

Sunreit price lower than its IPO mainly because the yield is not attractive and lower than average reit out there. So does CMMT.
Aka the valuation of the reit on IPO is on fully value basic. It doesn't offer discount/bargain to investors, while other existing reit does.

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post Jul 18 2010, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Jul 17 2010, 09:59 PM)
CIMB throws out 4 REITs. wow, what a timing for the trading volume.
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Sorry, I don't quite understand this statement. rclxub.gif

Kind to elaborate on this. smile.gif

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 18 2010, 12:26 AM
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(aeronic @ Jul 19 2010, 03:56 PM)
i get your point about lack of value for sunreit
but since when it is below its IPO ?
IPO was 0.88¢ now it is still around there, it dipped below only for few hours i think.
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Lowest only 0.87.
yes, you are right, happened on intraday basic.

Just my comment is because a lot of people subscribe the IPO hoping when it listed time, price will register premium which they can make money from the IPO.
So a lot of people presume it is a bad/weak IPO.
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(aeronic @ Jul 19 2010, 04:16 PM)
people, what's your take on capitamall, especially those who were very passionate about it earlier last week.
you feel the dip is there to stay or just a stabilization and will bounce back?
i think i am gonna queue now.... drool.gif
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I expect the price will stagnant for some period of time.

Don't expect it to dip more than 2 cents, nor up more than the same degree.
Stuck about this kind of level.

Bare in mind, both Sunreit and CMMT got stablising fund managers working around.
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 19 2010, 05:59 PM)
Yet EPS has jump to 7.12 from 4.90 and we still get lesser divvy. So previous private placement has diluted our profits! No...
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No lah.

7.12 is including property revaluation (gain), real earning is 3.95 cents.


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Axreit's Quatrro (Nestle house) is expected to contribute improvement in EPS/DPU starting next Q.
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QUOTE(countmybones @ Jul 20 2010, 05:23 PM)
Earning 3.95 cents but giving 4 cents dividend?
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The 4 cents is comprised of 3.95 cents (realised earning) + 0.05 (non-taxable) from capital allowance utilised.
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post Jul 21 2010, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(countmybones @ Jul 21 2010, 11:02 AM)
What I meant was, why are they giving more dividends than their earnings? It's like I have RM10, but I give you RM11. Doesn't make sense unless I borrow from somewhere.
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The 0.05 come from capital allowances, not something borrow money to pay you.

Earn/profit is not equal I have.

Company can earn 10 cents profit but company can have 11 cents in the process of the earning due to depreciation incurred.

Realised earning - profit from rental activities.
Unrealised earning - in term of capital gain, which still register as profit
Capital allowance - as simplified term tax benefit given. It will be long explaination if start from scratch.
It is about tax benefit issue related which generally related to asset depreciation.






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post Jul 23 2010, 10:40 AM

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Peanut, at least got peanut to eat rather than no peanut at all. biggrin.gif

If those dividend is peanut, then FD interest is like sesame already. tongue.gif

Peanut is several times bigger than sesame. tongue.gif

OKlah
7-8% yield is considerable quite good in current interest rate environment worldwide.

It is about yield in %.

Even a few ten K, also got a couple of hundred pay check per Q.
It is per Q not per year.

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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 23 2010, 12:43 PM)
laugh.gif

This peanut will be compounded and grow bigger and bigger...

Cherroy, in curent situation, which reits you would want to buy? I am thinking to collect back my $$ in CIMB unit trust fund that I put in year 1995. 15 years = 100% more only.
If the same amount is put as 7% return, I will get 157%. The different could be paid to the fund manager year in year out.  tongue.gif 

So a little peanuts do made different in long term.  laugh.gif
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Yup, don't look down the 2-3% difference, over long term, it could be huge especially compounded, as you can get those dividend received for reinvestment, or as fresh capital to invest elsewhere.

I just bought Qcap last month. icon_rolleyes.gif
Now hibernating, and keep close eye on Sunreit and CMMT.

Sunreit if being included in overseas reit indices, I may buy even at 0.88 level.
CMMT a bit tough, price quite stubborn, don't want to go down.

7% over 11 years compounded, Rm100 become Rm200 already.
3% (FD) over 11 years, Rm100 become only not more than Rm150.
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 23 2010, 02:28 PM)
Follow taikor sure no wrong one.  laugh.gif

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Go to Holland together,
got companies. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 23 2010, 02:39 PM)
I think Qcap can get RM1.02 today or next week.....  drool.gif
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I bought Rm1.01, cheaper 1 cent than you. tongue.gif

I actually average up the cost, previous only bought about Rm0.88 or so only.
Feel "painful" to buy the Rm1.01.
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QUOTE(OrangeStreet @ Jul 23 2010, 02:38 PM)
Talking about REIT dividend, I'm thinking should it be effective only when your are loaded? like >10K investment.

If only have a few K, will it still worth the investment in REIT? or should focus on other stock for capital gain + dividend? Thanks.
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A lot of people always thinking my capital is small, so those dividend is peanut, so ended chasing those high beta stocks, goreng stocks around that potential have capital gain of 50% 100% one.
But in the end of the day, money burnt at least for majority people.

There are a handful of ordinary stocks that give good dividend as well plus potential higher capital gain.

So it depends on individual how to mix-bag between and taking the risk according to one's liking.

Reit is certainty not a best option, it is another option only for your investment money.

Fyi, from experience, it is not easy to make a double digit gain in the stock market on average over the long term.

QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 23 2010, 03:04 PM)
But taikor pick for Holland trip is near to zero I think. Go sama sama Holland then too bad lor.  laugh.gif
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I went to Holland a lot of time already in the old days or my early day in the market, you don't know only.
Get use (biasa) with Holland already. biggrin.gif

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