I avoid PhD School thinking it is a bunch of PhD student talking about anti-matter, black hole etc etc... Till I see this Tittle

So who kill the man? Forensic proof he kill himself... you believe? that their science?.

You know what happen to the guy (doing science) who first publish our solar planet model? be headed.

Science try to explain how things work and you can predict what will happen next. It is still a far way to explain every things we have around us. So don't think if science can't proof it right it must be wrong. Politic, econ, academic and sometime religion got something to do with what science are doing. Who pay for the reserach? What they look for? Fact is not all scientific proof are able to publish... so say "can you handle the truht?"

read some astronomy, figure out how many earth like planet out there. if one of them have human with spacecraft going to moon, is there a chance others will be more advance than us? God only create human on earth? I say no ane have the proof. So is there UFO, I say yes even I have not see one myself.

Is there ghost and black magic? I say yes by pesonal experience but I do not want to talk more about it.

so am I a PhD student now?

This post has been edited by r1v3r: Mar 20 2010, 02:24 PM

All the while, I do not believe in ghost

though I've heard a lot of a lot from other people.

UNTIL this incident

recently, two of my good friend involved in a car accident which is quite serious

A = Driver , B = Passenger

A went and fetch B to head on to KL. Both of them were involved in car accident where A is seriously injured while B got away with minor injuries.

After the accident happen, B's grandma ask, why there are only 2 people involved in the accident? How about the girl who sit behind? ( B's grandma saw B went into A's car)

In the other hand, A's grandma who is a typical chinese. Went to those temple and those sifu or whatsoever about her grandson's luck. The sifu said, there's some spirit following him for quite sometime already.

What really happen is there are only 2 people on the car for the whole time.


Both side didnt know about each other and both seperate people saw the same thing...

it really creeps me somehow and I am the first few ppl who reach the hospital after the accident. Omg, now i'm really believing ghost/spirits already.

i heard there are meters can use to detect the ghosts.

that is very common hapenning. sometime i feel a presence also.

People seeing or hearing things is not an uncommon experience.

http://www.ted.com/talks/oliver_sacks_what..._our_minds.html

This is just one explanation of a few incidents.

r1v3r,
So u r saying there's proved of ghost there are not publishing?... i can handle the truth if u got 1, would u like to share?

MisterCrono,
How come B's grandma never see the gal sitting behind naked? Shouldn't the gal be naked if is some kind of spirit? or there's Versace's shop in under world?

My friend used to say there is a ghost in his house, they even changed the house and the ghost followed them. Their maid, his sister and other people at the house spotted/felt the ghost once in a while. They performed several ghost chasing rituals which did not work.

But lately they figured out more about the ghost. Actually his sister was having an affair with a guy and this guy sneak into the house once in a while to spend time with her. His sister just systematically and purposefully started a rumor of ghost in order to cover up the affair. It was very effective as the maid sometimes saw him during late nights and thought it was the ghost. This is how the story got amplified until the guy was spotted one day in her room and eventually the girl admitted it was never the ghost but him.

So, just be aware. There are culprits in the world who are ready to make use of your fear of ghost for their benefit. There might be a similar possibility in the case mentioned by MisterCrono. But not sure.

its weird actually.. i've seen one that was in my old school. we kinda got locked in the hall for a while.. n while i was walking out of the back of stage to the front, the other end corner, i saw a shadow that's full black with a white shirt. funny thing... nobody was in the hall except me n 2 other guys that was with me... n the hall was LOCKED.

PS: well, we had to do some knocking on the grills n screaming to get someone to realized we were still in the hall when they locked it. LOL~

Thats my question.. where do ghost get a shirt?... since shirt is just a lifeless fabrics, so it just materialize as cottons or silk?.. if u solve this problem, u can solve most economics problems of the world. materializing things out of nothing...

So, err i think they're n*k*d ... .... Ur question is a hard one..

reveal it if you got one...


i can't see a flying spaghetti monster,so which means it's everywhere?

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Jun 25 2010, 12:19 AM

i have met many ghost experience but i dont believe in it. i dont believe in black magic as well. saya ada ilmu kebal tau.

wow where did you learn that from?

we really need to know what are these 'ghosts' are. im not sure the term is derived from which of it first...an 'untraceable individual' (human) or 'untraceable energy' (spirit), anyway it does not really matter here, hence called ghost
from a book i read somewhere, the universe consists of many different dimensions. And we as humans perceive different dimensions that of other living beings such as ants. It is possible that there are ethereal beings stationed in different dimensions but unable to be perceived by humans by the naked eye, which some gifted people perceive them as 'ghosts'.
Its a norm, if you saw some unidentified object like lets say a white formless cloud floating in your room, im pretty sure you would call it a "ghost!", rather than "oh hey its a formless untraceable energy in my room! its so cool!"
the evidence of the existence of the spirits has been very vague till now as there are many doctored images and fake witnesses hoping for fame and wealth.
It really is controversial determining an 'untraceable' energy or spirit exist or do not exist. The scientists may not have discovered a new form of energy which recognise the 'spirits' or parts of it, for example life signs detectors as we use today in finding survivors or terrorists.

anyway if you believe ghosts in how you define them, then ghosts exist in your reality, but not necessary in others

This post has been edited by Keith321: Apr 5 2010, 05:33 PM

not sure if i was having a dream or it was real, yday nite, i felt like my body was nearly possessed by a spirit. Not the first time happening, but long long time ago, there was this same incident. It was like so real that I held on praying till drop back to sleep. And, before I slept yday, there were series of bad things that happen. Probably it was just a dream....

It's sleep paralysis.

Can our human minds actually conceive the existence of ghosts? By what means do we define ghosts to be ghosts? Are ghosts human like? Why human like? Why not plant like? If so, why aren't ghosts shaped like the crystal lattices in salt? It would be weird wouldn't it? A blood soaked, white surface crystal lattice floating around, just there. Hopefully trying to send a shiver down your spine.


No i don't believe in ghosts. However! I believe some of the dead are still able to interact with those alive. I don't classify them as ghosts though.

holy shit. i cant believe so many people actually believe in ghost.

Think again:

Why human resort to scientific methods? because it's widely accepted. It is true (in it's domain of prediction) at all time. Of course anything not proven is by 'pure logic', doesn't give a conclusion. But think of it this way: The existence of ghost is not clearly defined. IE: we always attribute ghost as something 'intelligent' and we always attribute them to stuff that actually break laws of physics (eg: they fly in speed >c! they change from dark matter (we cant see) to normal matter (we can see) in miliseconds! they... (you list it!)) ok so here's the problems:

1. they (assuming existence) live in same universe and hence must obey laws of physics
2. i doubt the existence of laws beyond what we know in macroscopic region
3. i strongly doubt (if exist) that it can be intelligent
4. and omg. wth. whatever.

Ghost may be dreadful to some ( who believe it ) but at least the abuse is more to personal , it does not has devastating impact to community . What I concern more is the opposite... ; remember... abused irrational thinking will lead to irremediable disaster

It's really just speculations. I refuse to believe it until proven, I'll change my viewpoint then.