i don't quite believe in ghost. most ghost stories is told about friend's friend experience, ....or somes even they said saw some1 with long hair white dress floating around.. u see, if ghost is something as a spirit i understand, but cloths got no life in it... shouldn't they see the ghost naked instead of white dress?

r1v3r,
So u r saying there's proved of ghost there are not publishing?... i can handle the truth if u got 1, would u like to share?

MisterCrono,
How come B's grandma never see the gal sitting behind naked? Shouldn't the gal be naked if is some kind of spirit? or there's Versace's shop in under world?

Thats my question.. where do ghost get a shirt?... since shirt is just a lifeless fabrics, so it just materialize as cottons or silk?.. if u solve this problem, u can solve most economics problems of the world. materializing things out of nothing...

can u ask him describe how the ghost look like in detail... and can u ask him to bring me to hunt for ghost?... if we can prove ghost exist we'll be rich... do u know there a big reward for any solid prove for supernatural? about US$1million... i'll share the reward with u and ur friend....

pls update urself with current technology, theres a bing bang machine (CERN Collider) where it can sense even sub-atomic quack where previously is just a theory... ur theory on ghost as sub-atomic level are flaws without even theoretical reasoning... how ghost is sub-atomic? if ghost is electron, i just use an earthed iron rod would eliminated them.. if ghost is form of energy wave, a simple hand phone call(micro wave) would destroy them ...

yes.. with MRI or CAT scan u can measure intensity of emotion,.. with blood test u can accurately measure the contain of Oxytocin, dophamine, cortisol, GH, norepinephrine and others hormone that responsible for our emotion... u clearly lack of scientific knowledge.......



on first 2 bold statement, u r saying ghost phenomena might be atomic or sub-atomic level, and stating Quantum physics as a possible explanation for ghost.... no?

so Quantum physics for every matter consist:
1)form of combination of sub-atomic particle.. i.e.. electron, proton, neutron, quarks, anti matter... where electron is the only free moving particle..
2)form of wave.. frequency depend on particle matter
3)form of energy..

no?

ur 3rd statement saying we don't have technology yet to detect this ghost phenomena b'cos of quantum physics?.. no?
CERN Collider is made by scientist for purposed to observe quantum effect of quantum phenomena.. since we got the technology to sense and record particle from quark to anti-matter.. we do have the technology to prove whether if ghost is on quantum theory or not... if u willing to fund(billions) this project to prove ghost existence, u r most welcome...

seems like every supernatural phenomena is using quantum theory as excuse for existence without knowing what is the link or how it explain it... is this a trend?

This post has been edited by randyhow: Oct 2 2010, 03:02 PM

i got 2 question to u:

1) why u upset of me not agreeing the theory of ghost to quantum physics?

2) since i'm not agreeing to the theory of ghost to quantum physics, why the burden of proof is on me? i brought out CERN Collider to point out our technological advancement had achieve the level of observing quantum phenomena(even create mini big bang), to disagree with u that we don't have the technology to do it, or did i say it too technically u couldn't understand?....

maybe i should remake my point:

You Are Wrong

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Added on October 11, 2010, 12:22 amlol.. parallel universe theory... ya... in theory and calculation there's might be a parallel universe... but to explain ghost phenomena with this , will be too naive...

point 1) u need tremendous amount of energy to tear open the cosmic fabric, like a black hole or worm hole(ring around black hole)... if the ghost is from another dimension, it's transition in between 2 world, would already have destroy both world, i don't think the ghost would in anyway survive for u to be seen...

point 2) if ghost is from other dimension, then it is not from our world... then it is not undead of somebody on our dimension.. then it is not ghost anymore... rite?

This post has been edited by randyhow: Oct 11 2010, 12:22 AM

Do u guys know that haunted place are high in infrasound frequency? it can induce hallucination...

infrasound

Infrasound refers to extreme bass waves or vibrations, those with a frequency below the audibility range of the human ear (20 Hz to 22 kHz). Even though these waves can't be heard by us, they can be felt and have been shown to produce a range of effects in some people including anxiety, extreme sorrow, and chills. "Loud infrasound in the range of 0.5 to 10 Hz is sufficient to activate the vestibular, or balance system, in the inner ear."* Psychologist Richard Wiseman of the University of Hertfordshire thinks that the odd sensations that people attribute to ghosts may be caused by infrasonic vibrations.* He is not alone.

In 1998, Vic Tandy, experimental officer and part-time lecturer in the school of international studies and law at Coventry University, and Dr. Tony Lawrence of the psychology department wrote a paper called "Ghosts in the Machine" for the Journal of the Society for Psychical Research. They cited infrasound as the cause of apparitions seen by staff at a so-called haunted laboratory in Warwick.

Several years earlier, Tandy was working late in the "haunted" Warwick laboratory when he saw a gray thing coming for him. "I felt the hairs rise on the back of my neck," he said. "It seemed to be between me and the door, so the only thing I could do was turn and face it."* But the thing disappeared. However, it reappeared in a different form the next day when Tandy was doing some work on his fencing foil. "The handle was clamped in a vice on a workbench, yet the blade started vibrating like mad," he said. He wondered why the blade vibrated in one part of room but not in another. The explanation, he discovered, was that infrasound was coming from an extractor fan. "When we finally switched it off, it was as if a huge weight was lifted," he said. "It makes me think that one of the applications of this ongoing research could be a link between infrasound and sick-building syndrome." When he measured the infrasound in the laboratory, the showing was 18.98 hertz--the exact frequency at which a human eyeball starts resonating. The sound waves made his eyeballs resonate and produced an optical illusion: He saw a figure that didn't exist.*

Infrasonic waves can carry over long distances and are less susceptible to disturbance or interference than higher frequencies.

Infrasound may be produced by wind, by some types of earthquakes, by ocean waves, and by such things as avalanches, volcanoes, and meteors.* Elephants have the ability to emit infrasound that can be detected at a distance of 2 km. Even tigers emit infrasound.*

http://www.skepdic.com/infrasound.html

how can 1 material exceed it's own existent speed?... can sound exceed it own sound barrier? can infra-red exceed it's speed and b'come ultra violet?... exceeding light speed barrier? no1 ever succeeded to make anything go faster than light... link to the explanation is bogus, there's no such experiment,.. all the link to the experiment is non-existent... did u believe everything hearsay?

sensation to fright do sell, like bungee jumping, roller coaster and haunted house... it is a great marketing tools.. just like sex, some use sex to sell..

This post has been edited by randyhow: Dec 17 2010, 03:55 PM