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Mr.Docter
post May 26 2010, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 09:47 AM)
anyone planning to order G73Jh, hold it first...

they will come equipped with Seagate's latest HDD, Momentus XT, which is a hybrid drive...

on top of the capacity and 32MB cache found in Momentus 7200.4 drives, Momentus XT comes with 4GB read-only NAND chips as well...

brief intro at DailyTech and benchmark at AnandTech

basically, i would put it as eliminating bottleneck (as someone puts it) without cost u an arm and a leg...
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not bad.. in fact, great news rclxms.gif

to be perfectly honest, this is my first time hearing about hybrid drives... sweat.gif
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post May 26 2010, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 26 2010, 01:09 PM)
not bad.. in fact, great news rclxms.gif

to be perfectly honest, this is my first time hearing about hybrid drives... sweat.gif
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Seagate and Samsung tried to do so back in 2007...

iirc they come with 1GB flash memory... but even that proves to be too expensive and too little performance gain...

actually HHD is the biggest reason y Seagate never commit to 10k rpm HDD...

i think it's a worthy upgrade for performance laptops though... nod.gif

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post May 26 2010, 01:23 PM

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I have read this before at Engadget but the most concerned part of this technology is the PRICE. It may costs you an arm and leg.
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post May 26 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 01:11 PM)
Seagate and Samsung tried to do so back in 2007...

iirc they come with 1GB flash memory... but even that proves to be too expensive and too little performance gain...

actually HHD is the biggest reason y Seagate never commit to 10k rpm HDD...

i think it's a worthy upgrade for performance laptops though... nod.gif
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.. if you have an extra bucks.

not like you can't gaming with that, don't you blush.gif

/inb4 SSD >>> all!

QUOTE(Jeffrey1987 @ May 26 2010, 01:23 PM)
I have read this before at Engadget but the most concerned part of this technology is the PRICE. It may costs you an arm and leg.
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if it cost your arm and legs, 7.2krpm is fine too right?
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post May 26 2010, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jeffrey1987 @ May 26 2010, 01:23 PM)
I have read this before at Engadget but the most concerned part of this technology is the PRICE. It may costs you an arm and leg.
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half an arm and leg perhaps, compared to SSD??? tongue.gif

anyway, the MSRP for Momentus XT is US$113, US$132 and US$156 for 250GB, 320GB and 500GB respectively...

compared to Momentus 7200.4, which are (e-tailer price) US$55, US$55 and US$85 respectively

i think the 250GB model should hit US$100 once it hit the shelves... still, cheap compared to SSD...
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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 26 2010, 01:26 PM)
.. if you have an extra bucks.

not like you can't gaming with that, don't you blush.gif

/inb4 SSD >>> all!
if it cost your arm and legs, 7.2krpm is fine too right?
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I'm not a hardcore gamer though. 7200 RPM is fine enough for me. laugh.gif


Added on May 26, 2010, 1:35 pm
QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 01:27 PM)
half an arm and leg perhaps, compared to SSD??? tongue.gif

anyway, the MSRP for Momentus XT is US$113, US$132 and US$156 for 250GB, 320GB and 500GB respectively...

compared to Momentus 7200.4, which are (e-tailer price) US$55, US$55 and US$85 respectively

i think the 250GB model should hit US$100 once it hit the shelves... still, cheap compared to SSD...
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Anyway, I'm still anxious on the performance of these hard drives. thumbup.gif

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post May 26 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Jeffrey1987 @ May 26 2010, 01:31 PM)
I'm not a hardcore gamer though. 7200 RPM is fine enough for me.  laugh.gif


Added on May 26, 2010, 1:35 pm

Anyway, I'm still anxious on the performance of these hard drives.  thumbup.gif
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hardcore gamer don't even stress about HDD speed. standard speed is fine for them. time-saver freak does.

not like 10krmp/SSD increase your FPS - which main factor for hardcore gamer.

STILL, if you have an extra bucks, its a good upgrade smile.gif
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post May 26 2010, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 26 2010, 01:39 PM)
hardcore gamer don't even stress about HDD speed. standard speed is fine for them. time-saver freak does.

not like 10krmp/SSD increase your FPS - which main factor for hardcore gamer.

STILL, if you have an extra bucks, its a good upgrade smile.gif
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Actually having SSD the main benefit is the data won't get lost as compared to disc based hdd. Even hybrid also have the chance of hdd fail due to disc in side the hdd goes bad. Afaik SSD is quite reliable as long as there's no internal problem. Give it a year or 2 definitely ssd will drop even more. Don't forget how much a 500GB 7200rpm 2.5" cost few years back compared to a 40gb or 80gb. Btw the hdd market now is phasing out the older size, 1tb is norm edi for 3.5" while 2.5" they are phasing out those 250gb and below. 320 should be the norm and if not predicted wrongly, 500gb should be the common size and 640gb also would be replacing 500gb soon. 1tb will be the premium item 4 now.

Main concern bout hybrid again would be how efficient the data swap from nand to disc or vice versa if the swapping rate is not fast enough the data flow might be even lower compared to raid 7200rpm setup. A good way to set up these drives is to make it user customisable we can select what type of data to store on the nand and what data to be kept in the disc. drool.gif

Btw not sure if anyone remembers bout the intel turbo memory thingy, it's a 1gb flash memory which can be installed on laptops. Currently my laptop has 1gb of it, 512mb for windows ready boost and 512mb for windows ready drive. With this installed it's quite fast opening firefox, games and stuff. 1st time loading is from the disc, but 2nd or 3rd all are from the flash. Benefits of these technologies usually comes when u access frequently used files. For gamers when gaming big maps if loaded from hdd might be slower compared to flash, but if our memory is at least 4gb or even 8gb then I don't think there's much of a difference. tongue.gif

Well the above statements are my own personal review and also sum info gathered from various sites if needed I could provide the linkies.

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regarding the last part, Seagate has spent at least the last 4yrs developing their own algorithm to do that, base on their experience with conventional HDD...

and from the benchmark, it seems that (to me at least) they ve done it pretty well...

unless SSD can drop to at least US$1/GB (even that is still expensive if u ask me), it will still remain as a premium item...
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QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 02:35 PM)
unless SSD can drop to at least US$1/GB (even that is still expensive if u ask me), it will still remain as a premium item...
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this.

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post May 26 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 02:35 PM)
regarding the last part, Seagate has spent at least the last 4yrs developing their own algorithm to do that, base on their experience with conventional HDD...

and from the benchmark, it seems that (to me at least) they ve done it pretty well...

unless SSD can drop to at least US$1/GB (even that is still expensive if u ask me), it will still remain as a premium item...
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Well I'm prepared to pay max RM 500 for ssd, no matter 80gb or 120gb as currently for around RM 450 can get Intel 40GB X25-M SATA but definitely not those 16gb. rclxm9.gif In fact most of my laptop use around 20gb for OS and programs the rests are my games and files. I don't really keep more than 2 games in the hdd as usually I don't get to play even 1 sometimes.

For extra storage I got many external hdd, from 640gb to 1tb for 3.5" and for 2.5" varies from 80gb till 500gb. brows.gif Not sure how others organize their hdd, usually I organize mine almost everyweek, useless files either I move to external or burn to dvd.

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Hi is this laptop available in Malaysia?
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post May 26 2010, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(nemesis94 @ May 26 2010, 03:05 PM)
Hi is this laptop available in Malaysia?
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Not officially available, but u can try pm coralinkz if he still can get some. For future stocks I will update here.
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QUOTE(nemesis94 @ May 26 2010, 03:05 PM)
Hi is this laptop available in Malaysia?
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For the time being, NO! Actually, I have ordered one, that is, Asus G73Jh-A2 from GenTechPC. At that time, luckily Ken Lee (SA) from GenTechPC told me that they had ready stock for Asus G73Jh-A2 and I instantly ordered one without any further considerations. The main reason why I did that is because of the demand of Asus G73Jh is over the supply. Thus, most of the buyers need to back order for approximately 1 month before they can lay their hands on it. smile.gif

I will update with you guys if there are any ready stocks from GenTechPC. Oh yea, you can PM corallinkz too as he is also offering the best price (cheapest) of Asus G73Jh. PM him . . . icon_rolleyes.gif

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post May 26 2010, 06:08 PM

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well, Mucro Asia still dun ve any stock...
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QUOTE(astria @ May 26 2010, 06:08 PM)
well, Mucro Asia still dun ve any stock...
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However, I'm not really recommend buyers to get their Asus G73Jh from Mucro.Asia as they are really BAD in customer service. I have mailed them twice regarding on Asus G73Jh's inquiries and they never respond to it. vmad.gif
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Sorry for disturbing but I have a question about the shipping. Does USPS delivery directly to your doorstep or only to KL? If I can't go to KL customs to claim it, can I get the delivery companies to help me deliver it to Perak?
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post May 26 2010, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(EvilDevil118 @ May 26 2010, 02:49 PM)
Well I'm prepared to pay max RM 500 for ssd, no matter 80gb or 120gb as currently for around RM 450 can get Intel 40GB X25-M SATA but definitely not those 16gb.  rclxm9.gif In fact most of my laptop use around 20gb for OS and programs the rests are my games and files. I don't really keep more than 2 games in the hdd as usually I don't get to play even 1 sometimes.

For extra storage I got many external hdd, from 640gb to 1tb for 3.5" and for 2.5" varies from 80gb till 500gb.  brows.gif Not sure how others organize their hdd, usually I organize mine almost everyweek, useless files either I move to external or burn to dvd.
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i thought G73Jh has 2 HDD slot?? 1 more SSD and 1 for HDD settle icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Ryusei @ May 26 2010, 06:44 PM)
Sorry for disturbing but I have a question about the shipping. Does USPS delivery directly to your doorstep or only to KL? If I can't go to KL customs to claim it, can I get the delivery companies to help me deliver it to Perak?
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USPS is suppose to deliver to the exact address but currently they might hold ur item at customs either at sepang or mebe other places. Then u need to assign pos malaysia or ur courier company to help u declare it out from customs.


Added on May 26, 2010, 7:50 pm
QUOTE(Fantasia @ May 26 2010, 06:49 PM)
i thought G73Jh has 2 HDD slot?? 1 more SSD and 1 for HDD settleĀ  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yep got 2 slot that's why waitin for ssd to go lower in price, now it's around rm 450 for 40gb ssd.

Latest update :
Arrived Abroad, May 26, 2010, 5:51 pm, MALAYSIA
International Dispatch, May 22, 2010, 11:03 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS)
Arrival
Acceptance, May 21, 2010, 5:41 pm, COVINA, CA 91722
Electronic Shipping Info Received, May 21, 2010

Yesh item arrive at malaysia edi. Now mebe waitin for customs to clear it then can take edi. thumbup.gif

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post May 26 2010, 08:46 PM

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well, we dun ve the luxury of 2 HDD bays... thus HHD is the only way without burning a hole in our wallets, while still having large capacity...

basically for the price of ur 40GB SSD, u can grab a Momentus XT 500GB from newegg...

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