Hi guys,

I'm new here & require opinions or suggestions on enchancing my car performance.
Now I'm using the stock A18A 1.8L 12-valve twin carburetor engine with 4-speed automatic transmission (110HP). This engine to me, are very old, felt very under power, have slow acc, & worst of all, can go top speed of 150km/h only! .
Because of that, i hope i can get some advices from all the sifu's here on how to upgrade my car around 200+HP in most efficient money spending & time consuming way. (if can, fuel efficient also)

So which 1 is the best solution?

1) B16A swap + Basic intake and exhaust modification = 160+HP ( below target, but cheap?)
2) B18C swap + Basic intake and exhaust modification = 170+HP (near target, reasonable price i guess?)
3) B16B swap + Basic intake and exhaust modification = 185+HP (slightly below target, but expensive)
4) B18CR swap + Basic intake and exhaust modification = 200+HP (on target, damn expensive)
5) K20A swap + Basic intake and exhaust modification = 200++HP (slightly above target, expensive?)
6) Others?

FYI, I dont mind spending a lot, as long as it is well spend. (eg. for me, spend RM10000 to add 100HP is well spend, while RM500 for 1HP is not) Btw, I have minimal/basic knowledge only on engines & swaps. So, pardon my noobyness pls & thx in advance

what i wanna say... spend according to ur budget... alwiz dont spend max out on engine and alone and blow out ur whole budget... alwiz leave a few Ks for service parts etc...

u'll never know u might need to overhaul the engine again...

Hmm.. if i hav a budget around 15k, what can i do then? How much is the average cost for eng swaps, eng intake & exaust modifications? Is installing turbo to my current engine an option?

again, pardon my noobyfull questions, & thx in advance

installing turbo requires ur current engine to be fuel injected... too much work and hassle... since better options are out there, why not go for it... further more u got around 15k in hand... haha...

b18c should be great... higher displacement compare to b16a... better torque for city drive..

agree with B18C...B16A VTECs are known to have a serious lacking in torque....so a higher displacement VTEC would be better.

get a B18C GSR....then the balance of ur money use for tarboh

possible to get 200hp on engine...(all the figures u quoted would be on engine figures)

but on wheel will more than likely be 180-190hp.

also id recommend sticking to the stock 4.4FD gearbox. switching to a 4.7 on a 1.8 makes the gears too close for my liking. at most, a good clucth and LSD is what id do to a gearbox mated with a 1.8



as for the "RM500 for 1hp" thingy.... thats more than likely gonna be the case....gaining HPs on N/A engines aint easy and aint cheap....gaining HP on VTEC N/A engines is slightly easier but even more expensive.

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Added on January 23, 2010, 3:50 amoh...something else just came to mind....

Small V B16A + B20B Block + Bolt On Turbo...even more torque and more HP

might be possible to get within 15k budget.

only downside is the 4.2FD gearbox....unless of course u can get Big V B16A within ur budget...

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Jan 23 2010, 03:51 AM

budget around 15k u want to do so many things? for honda swaps 15k is considered minimum budget only, that means buying the half cut, swapping in, doing basic maintenance and jpj approval, that's it

and dont even dream of the k20a swap because the engine alone already exceeded your budget

there's one more engine u haven't consider yet, it's the F20B, it's cheap, it's got the power u want and the dashboard looks great

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Jan 24 2010, 01:56 PM

Forget B16A ....get a 13B your car sure will fly like 747

This post has been edited by Pajero 4D56: Jan 25 2010, 12:25 AM

u think too much liao

Invention come from Imagination ma

Thx for the insight guys..
But along with that, there r some questions:

1) How much do b18c gsr halfcut cost?
2) madman: wat do meant by small v b16a & big v b16a? izzit SOHC & DOHC?
3) stormlcc: u mentioned on f20b, is it the bluetop ver found in accord SiR-T? whats the average price 4 it?
4) Pajero 4D56: 13B-DEI or 13B-REW? & is it even possible to install them inside my hood..?

and again, i apologise if my question sound very nooby-like.. & thx in advance!

1)b18c expect > 9k for manual
2)small v and big v as in the valve size..
3)yes, it is the bluetop with 210bhp.. 2L with good enough torque + vtec
4)everything is posibble with money.. but whether u can pass jpj/puspakom or not is another thing

f20b sounds nice to me now How much does it cost?
i've tried search'n through the net & found it around $700. If converted to RM... around 3k?

1) RED top more than 12k, BLACK top around 10k, the price already gone sky high nowadays
2) small v is 160hp 1st gen, big v is 170hp 2nd gen
3) YES, and make sure u get the S-tronic gearbox, which looks super cool with + - gear in an old car such as yours, it used to sell RM4500 few years back, if my estimation is correct, it'll now sell around RM5-6k, which is still a bargain comparing to the overpriced B series
4) almost anything can be plugged in, however why should u, when there r so many good choices around

storm already mentioned the diff between big n small V....its just a term used to differentiate the 1st and 2nd gen of B16As....

and of course...theyre both DOHC



oh...n if the F20B is priced like wat storm mentioned, go for it

F20B got tiptronic version..

thanks guys for the positive responds.. I really appreciated it..

as far as the discussion goes, i think i'll go for the f20b.. the task now is where to find 1..
but I still have 1 question though,

stormlcc: i've search around the net & could'nt find the s-tronic gearbox u mentioned.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i've only found out there is a S-Matic automatic transmission, & it comes with Accord SiR only.. plus, the engine was rated 180hp not 200hp.. the ones rated 200hp was inside Accord SiR-T (manual transmission). I've found this inside wiki though..

If this is true, which 1 should i choose? manual with 200hp, or 180hp with s-matic?

oh sorry, i wrote the wrong name, yes it's S-matic, not S-tronic. choosing which one depends on yourself, but i would choose the 180hp S-matic version anyday just because of the cool factor (the +- gear is just way too cool to ignore ), and it's an auto gearbox for city driving. If u fancy a manual just go ahead, but the price might be a bit more expensive than the auto.

if the price in KL is too expensive, try other places like klang or bentong (pahang), the prices in these 2 places is much more affordable (in some shops at least)

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Jan 26 2010, 10:22 AM

haha.. prior to open this thread, a mechanic from a shop juz behind my hse called me & told me he found a f20b from half-cut shop at puchong area.. lolz... half-cut price told by stormlcc was spot on, around 5k+.. plus he said can choose either wan MT or AT same price.. overall cost around RM8k++... should i go for it?

wow, 5k+ is a pretty good price, 8k+ is ok if it includes new timing belt and dashboard transplant, go for it and make sure u post some photos of your car after the transplant

not just after the transplant....

step by step pix man... before during and after hehehehhe

go for it....thats a good price for a 2.0 VTEC transplant...if B series can prolly get B16A only...

id probably get the MT if i were u...more syiok


oh n dont forget to upgrade yer brakes and suspension too...