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 3D gaming and Movies, Can the HDMI 1.3a support it?

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post Jan 22 2010, 11:42 PM

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better is dun know so many future technology and buy the latest gadget


Added on January 23, 2010, 12:11 ambtw, i suppose this 1.4 should set a new foundation for HDMI since it support future resolution (4K) and HDMI Ethernet.

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post Jan 23 2010, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(Intrigue @ Jan 22 2010, 11:42 PM)
better is dun know so many future technology and buy the latest gadget


Added on January 23, 2010, 12:11 ambtw, i suppose this 1.4 should set a new foundation for HDMI since it support future resolution (4K) and HDMI Ethernet.
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So with V4 on the horizon, i better wait till its out before I jump. sweat.gif
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post Jan 23 2010, 07:54 AM

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yea. same for me since i'm just about to start from scratch, might as well just wait and in the meanwhile increase my budget. hahaha
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post Jan 23 2010, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 22 2010, 10:26 PM)
Hardware limitation?  Then how come Sony claim that they can upgrade the PS3 to support 3D via firmware update.  So you think you know everything?


Added on January 22, 2010, 10:30 pm

So you think u know everything...then please explain why PS3 have been upgrading their HDMI via firmware port since they release it 3 years ago?

Hardware limitation my ASSS ar.
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Hardware limitation is the general explanation. The exception would be if a manufacturer decides to put in more advanced hardware to cater for some future upgradability (via firmware updates) but this is rare because it means higher cost and also it's hard to predict where the future direction will go and if your current hardware can support it or not.

Yes, Sony has claimed PS3 can be upgraded to 3D via firmware, but will it be a 100% upgrade? See this blog: http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/hdmi/

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There is also some very interesting information regarding the PlayStation 3 game console and its upcoming S3D support that should be added later this year with a firmware update. It seems that this software upgrade for the console will allow it to achieve some of the HDMI 1.4 functionality like stereoscopic 3D support, but the console will not have all of the new 1.4 specifications available, because the Ethernet Channel for instance requires not only new software, but also new hardware. Still we now know that Sony will be adding stereoscopic 3D support by software upgrading its HDMI to 1.4, so when buying a new 3D TV for PS3 you should also look for HDMI 1.4 support available on the TV. What is not yet clear however is if the PS3 will be able to provide 1080p stereoscopic 3D support or it will stock to 720p when playing in S3D mode, but we might as well very soon find out if Sony is going to announce more details about that on CES.

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post Jan 23 2010, 11:12 AM

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if hdmi 1.4 required for full hd 3d. I dun see how ps3 get full 3d rez via firmware but still is only v1.3 for hardware. Other parts in the signal chain like tv with v1.4 will also drop to 1.3 also.
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2010, 11:12 AM)
if hdmi 1.4 required for full hd 3d. I dun see how ps3 get full 3d rez via firmware but still is only v1.3 for hardware. Other parts in the signal chain like tv with v1.4 will also drop to 1.3 also.
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2010, 11:12 AM)
if hdmi 1.4 required for full hd 3d. I dun see how ps3 get full 3d rez via firmware but still is only v1.3 for hardware. Other parts in the signal chain like tv with v1.4 will also drop to 1.3 also.
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Yes, you are right on that. There will surely be a newer PS3 3D (maybe PS4) in the market by then. Sony is already bleeding, so it needs to have new products to bring it back to the 'blue'

limpe going to wait for the new 3D display panels. Sldnt be that expensive over current 'obsolete' FHD display panels, I reckon.

Will on hold my LX71 BDP purchase for now.
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:43 AM

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display port v1.2 also coming out. With bidirection data and 4 full hd capable bandwidth. Siao.
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:53 AM

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with all the 3D hype going on.. i supposed a lot would-be upgraders/ buyers is holding off to see what will be introduce to the market
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post Jan 23 2010, 01:07 PM

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No need to be early adopter of 3D. Yes the equipment (TV, player) is coming out but what about the movies? If very few movies are released in 3D then it defeats the purpose.

Just like Deep Colour support (which is already supported by HDMI 1.3) but no movies use it. So what's the point?
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post Jan 23 2010, 02:58 PM

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Back to the same problem as computer again. wink.gif Computer technologies always improve and more and more advance, did you stop buying computer and waiting the most advance computer to arrive (that will not happen in your life!)? rolleyes.gif

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post Jan 23 2010, 03:42 PM

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To simplify things , your current High End TV will be a medium-end TV by next year. Same applies to computers as well
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post Jan 23 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2010, 01:07 PM)
No need to be early adopter of 3D. Yes the equipment (TV, player) is coming out but what about the movies? If very few movies are released in 3D then it defeats the purpose.

Just like Deep Colour support (which is already supported by HDMI 1.3) but no movies use it. So what's the point?
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the point is that they will have BDs with this technology by this year (as specs just finalized).. compared to deepcolor which is more of a PC thing.. than a BD thing..

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post Jan 23 2010, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2010, 01:07 PM)
No need to be early adopter of 3D. Yes the equipment (TV, player) is coming out but what about the movies? If very few movies are released in 3D then it defeats the purpose.

Just like Deep Colour support (which is already supported by HDMI 1.3) but no movies use it. So what's the point?
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Not to say early adopter but this 3D will be the next big bang and since many manufacturer is coming out 3D this year. So might as well hold off any upgrades.
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post Jan 23 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2010, 03:55 PM)
the point is that they will have BDs with this technology by this year (as specs just finalized).. compared to deepcolor which is more of a PC thing.. than a BD thing..
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I know BDs will come out with 3D but how many titles? I certainly hope lots of titles come out with 3D to make the investment worthwhile.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2010, 07:26 PM)
I know BDs will come out with 3D but how many titles? I certainly hope lots of titles come out with 3D to make the investment worthwhile.
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I noted lot of directors using Panasonic's camera to film their movie. So, sure their will want to upgrade to this model for their current or future movies: tongue.gif

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post Jan 23 2010, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2010, 07:26 PM)
I know BDs will come out with 3D but how many titles? I certainly hope lots of titles come out with 3D to make the investment worthwhile.
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Avatar? Toy Story 3? and and many more. I better wait and see what happen.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 23 2010, 11:35 PM)
Avatar?  Toy Story 3?  and and many more.  I better wait and see what happen.
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One thing is for sure, we will never have a technology that stayed relevant for so long like CRT anymore. Display sales were so slow for almost 10-15yrs. All this because they made the darned CRT so difficult to break and replace....

Same in the "software" portion, DVD was the king for quite a while after VHS. Now in a few years, even before BD gets a stranglehold there is already talk about other resolutions.

Manufacturers realise that they need to keep pumping the market with "new" stuff so people continue to spend. 3D is the current trend. They will never ever make a tech that sits still for more than 2-3yrs. Take the handphone for example.

Going forward there will 2K resolution, then 4K, then who knows what.

U cannot chase technology anymore. There will be always a better product that is only 6 months from launching.

If u can wait, then by all means wait. But if u wanna wait until the dust settles before committing, I would suggest otherwise. 3D will become much cheaper in 2011. 2010 is more or less the introduction. Sammy is embracing it, Panasonic is only releasing it on their highest end displays. Sony is pushing but no clear indication on the sets that will support.

The studios however are slightly lagging, they will wait and see if the tech really takes off before committing. Its a lot of money to re-equip themselves with the cameras and god knows what mastering techniques are involved.

Interesting to be witnessing the era of display tech boom.
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post Jan 24 2010, 12:39 AM

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You have a good point that tech always evolve and at a faster pace than ever.

Actually I'm not looking at the display part but rather than the AV part. Most AVR can last a long time like 10 years or longer. If I buy a AVR now that is only have 1.3HDMI, then I am stuck with it not compatible with 3D. Eventhough the amp is still fully capable of pumping put the best audio for me, I would have to upgrade just to get HDMI v1.4 only.....that sucks!!!

I can understand a new tech will be out like every other month, but if you know its just around the corner, then I would rather wait. Just like buying a car where you know a newer model is coming in the next 2 month, I'm sure you will hold on till then to buy.
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post Jan 24 2010, 07:52 AM

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Yeah, I'm also not in a hurry. Will wait until the dust settles a bit to see what happens next.

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