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 3D gaming and Movies, Can the HDMI 1.3a support it?

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ar188
post Jan 22 2010, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jan 22 2010, 09:56 PM)
maybe he dont understand what called hardware limitation tongue.gif
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fuyoh. direct tembak.. biggrin.gif

please la.. if people understand then wont post like this lo.. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2010, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jan 22 2010, 10:23 PM)
then need sifu like you to educate us lo  icon_rolleyes.gif
that what the forum for right?  whistling.gif
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can use HDMI 1.3 if display 3D at half resolution.

if you want FULLHD 3D ,then need 1.4 biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2010, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 22 2010, 10:26 PM)
Hardware limitation?  Then how come Sony claim that they can upgrade the PS3 to support 3D via firmware update.  So you think you know everything?


Added on January 22, 2010, 10:30 pm

So you think u know everything...then please explain why PS3 have been upgrading their HDMI via firmware port since they release it 3 years ago?

Hardware limitation my ASSS ar.
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obviously you don't understand what I wrote.. I was telling him not every one understands everything.. (not saying I know everything) u blur or what ar?
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post Jan 22 2010, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 22 2010, 10:26 PM)

So you think u know everything...then please explain why PS3 have been upgrading their HDMI via firmware port since they release it 3 years ago?

Hardware limitation my ASSS ar.
dun simply make up stories la.. it's always been HDMI 1.3 capable since the 1st gen PS3... where got upgraded via firmware?? tok kok!

PS3 HDMI chip
The following chart describes what features were included in each HDMI protocol revision. Each newer revision is required to support all "mandatory" features of previous versions. DVD Audio, introduced as an "optional" feature of HDMI 1.1, is not supported in the PS3. Sony elected to support the "optional" feature of Super Audio CD introduced in HDMI 1.2 (but only on some early PS3 models). Some optional HDMI 1.3 features, like Deep Color and xvYCC, are included in the PS3, while bitstream transmission of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio were left out.

The early first generation Fat PS3 uses the Silicon Image Vastlane SiI9132CBU, which implements HDMI 1.3a mandatory protocols and the optional deep color and xvYCC features. The SiI9132 did not implement the optional bitstream transmission of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio, which is why for these two audio modes, the PS3 must do the transcoding itself and output LPCM (which even basic HDMI 1.0 protocol can handle). The paired receiving end chip with same feature set should be a SiI9133. The first Silicon Image chip that supported bitstream Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio is the SiI9134 (with receiving end of SiI9135). In later models of the Fat PS3 (CECHL), Panasonic manufactures the HDMI 1.3a protocol chip (Panasonic MN864709), but it contains the same bitstream limitations.

The Slim PS3 has an upgraded HDMI 1.3c protocol chip (Panasonic MN8647091), and this time bitstream of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD MA is finally implemented, so you can use your Audio Video Receiver to decode the audio signal. In addition, HDMI CEC (Bravia Sync) is now fully supported.

Note that although HDMI CEC wiring is mandatory via HDMI 1.0 (a pin on the port is dedicated to CEC), actual implementation support for the CEC specification protocol (introduced in HDMI 1.2a) is optional. That is why the PS3 Fat did not have a CEC Controller chip attached to that pin, so all HDMI-CEC commands are ignored. The PS3 Slim does have a CEC Controller implemented inside the Panasonic HDMI chip, so it does support HDMI-CEC (Bravia Sync).

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post Jan 23 2010, 11:12 AM

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if hdmi 1.4 required for full hd 3d. I dun see how ps3 get full 3d rez via firmware but still is only v1.3 for hardware. Other parts in the signal chain like tv with v1.4 will also drop to 1.3 also.
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post Jan 23 2010, 11:43 AM

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display port v1.2 also coming out. With bidirection data and 4 full hd capable bandwidth. Siao.
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post Jan 23 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2010, 01:07 PM)
No need to be early adopter of 3D. Yes the equipment (TV, player) is coming out but what about the movies? If very few movies are released in 3D then it defeats the purpose.

Just like Deep Colour support (which is already supported by HDMI 1.3) but no movies use it. So what's the point?
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the point is that they will have BDs with this technology by this year (as specs just finalized).. compared to deepcolor which is more of a PC thing.. than a BD thing..

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post Jan 26 2010, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 25 2010, 11:28 PM)
I got this from cnet about the new Panasonic Bluray player.  One piece of news for existing HDMI V1.3 AV Receiver user that don't look that good...

The Panasonic DMP-BDT350 is the only player with dual HDMI outputs
That's important because 3D Blu-ray players will use the new HDMI 1.4 standard, and existing A/V receivers support only HDMI 1.3. That means you won't be able to easily connect a new 3D Blu-ray player to an existing A/V receiver. With the DMP-BDT350, you can send the high-bandwidth 3D video directly to the display and the audio directly to the A/V receiver. It seems like the best option if you don't plan on buying a new HDMI 1.4 receiver.

Cnet asia link
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AV receiver that doesn't have 1.4 is the least of worries.. if you don't have a HDMI 1.4V TV you won't see FULLHD 3d also.. you need the dual link HDMI bandwidth..
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post Jan 26 2010, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jan 26 2010, 01:26 AM)
I think what the article is saying is that if the AVR don't have 1.4, then when a 1.4 version is connected to it, the AVR will only accept it as V1.3 and then only send it to the TV as V1.3.  Then even if you have a 3D tv with HDMI 1.4, you will not be able to use its 3D function.  But if you connect your 3D bluray movies to your Tv directly via HDMI V1.4, then you might not be able to get master audio anymore as you only have 1 HDMI output on the current bluray player.  See the problem?
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can use la.. but not FULLHD 3D..
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post Jan 26 2010, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Jan 26 2010, 07:47 AM)
There are few to name at the moment, The Final Destination 3D, Polar Express Presented in 3D, My Bloody Valentine 2D & 3D, Monster vs Alien 3D (some extra goodies part).. etc..

There are many more now has been developed on 3D and this are must buy!!
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different technology la.. those are red+green glasses..

the new 2010 3D ones are using active shutter glass..
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post Jan 26 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Jan 26 2010, 11:46 AM)
Is it available , and im taking a wild guess that its gonna cost a fortune prolly..
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yeah.. cost a fortune if you want to watch it in FULLHD 3D, AVR , TV, Bluray all have to upgrade to v1.4
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post Jan 26 2010, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Jan 26 2010, 11:53 AM)
It would be easy to update instead of upgrading systems right? but is there a way to do so? for eg upgrading to v 1.4 ( not like some software update which makes life easier to do rather hardware itself needs pumping with new firmware or somethin')..

What sort upgrade you meant ..?
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upgrade means BUY new equipment.

how are you going to update firmware of the old HDMI chip on the board to 1.4V? that's like saying Pentium III can be flashed to become Pentium 4..
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post Jan 26 2010, 03:07 PM

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I get headache using those red/green things.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 26 2010, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 26 2010, 03:11 PM)
The one note, is that the luminance will drop when viewing thru the glasses. Meaning the brightness of the image. Thats why I believe to truly enjoy 3D, u need either go the projector route or have a big display.

I think Panasonic's implementation might be correct for now. Will wait and see how they implement in projectors. IMHO, get a proper >100in screen. A proper room ready (full ambient lighting control) and wait for the 3D ride.
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got 3D calibration tools or not? biggrin.gif

 

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