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gark
post Mar 20 2010, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:00 AM)
Public Mutual has THE best website around in terms of showing the actual gain of your investments in graphical form.
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Public mutual website actually show a very misleading investment gain graph. tongue.gif .The graph is merely pure performance without considering the fees you pay either upfront or in yearly fees or dividend tax. If you minus all those costs expect your graph to be reduced by 10-20%. laugh.gif I rather track my own investment with all the costs put in, and is always lower than reported by the graph. doh.gif

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post Mar 20 2010, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 20 2010, 12:07 AM)
Public mutual website actually show a very misleading investment gain graph.  tongue.gif .The graph is merely pure performance without considering the fees you pay either upfront or in yearly fees or dividend tax. If you minus all those costs expect your graph to be reduced by 10-20%.  laugh.gif I rather track my own investment with all the costs put in, and is always lower than reported by the graph.  doh.gif
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My own tracking of the performance disagrees with your conclusions.

As a quick check, PB Balance Fund graph shows about 31+% gainn for the past year (hard to tell exactly from the graph).

My own database tracking this particular fund shows 31.926% gain. So far, no evidence to say there is a 10-20% difference.


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post Mar 20 2010, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:19 AM)
My own tracking of the performance disagrees with your conclusions.

As a quick check, PB Balance Fund graph shows about 31+% gainn for the past year (hard to tell exactly from the graph).

My own database tracking this particular fund shows 31.926% gain. So far, no evidence to say there is a 10-20% difference.
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Maybe it's the calculation method. For me i do not use the posted NAV as a basis for calculation. I use the actual paid amount per unit (including the initial cost of 5.5%) for my calculation. This enables me to include the 5.5% fees a cost of purchase for my units, so my profit and loss margin is more easy to identify. With this method, on the very first day of purchase, my chart already show a loss of 5.5%. So if you start with a -5.5% disadvantage, you tend to lose 10%-20% accumulated over 5-6 years. sweat.gif

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post Mar 20 2010, 09:29 AM

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yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this

QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:00 AM)
The word "Dividend" in the name of the Fund does not mean anything by itself. You still have to read up on the objectives of the fund, and what the fund actually does.

There is no difference between distribution and dividends as far as funds are concerned. In fact, funds use the word "distribution" rather than "dividends".

Funds "that give out dividends" is purely a marketing gimmick. Distributions are irrelevant. You need to look at the total gain in $ value of your investment, not how much distribution the fund has given out.

Public Mutual has THE best website around in terms of showing the actual gain of your investments in graphical form.

Public Mutual is also guilty of announcing "distributions" as if it means anything useful or relevant. Distributions are meaningless. Ignore them.
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post Mar 20 2010, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 20 2010, 09:29 AM)
yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this
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Well....
i think it is normal all mutual trust unit.
it is to reflected the actual value of your portfolio after distribution.

Play it well....you will gain a lot and also "tax deducted" as well



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post Mar 20 2010, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 20 2010, 10:11 AM)
Well....
i think it is normal all mutual trust unit.
it is to reflected the actual value of your portfolio after distribution.

Play it well....you will gain a lot and also "tax deducted" as well
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I think it really depend on whether unit trust distribution is a good or bad thing. It is true that after the distribution, even though the unit price drops and your NAV stays the same, you now hold more units which when the unit price increases you will stand to gain more. Of course the opposite can happen as well.
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post Mar 21 2010, 07:35 AM

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Hi, just want to consult the experts here.

I am now an ASP with Public Mutual... What does Equalised Sales mean in the "Statement of Sales"?

Also, does the Equalised Sales contribute to the amount in determining if I can go up the AS level or not? Or is it just the "Total Sales = Personal Sales + Group Sales", or is it "Total Sales + Equalised Sales"?

Hope some of you can clarify to me, thanks!
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i buy china select fund @ 0.019...
now is lower than that sad.gif
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post Mar 21 2010, 06:20 PM

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question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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post Mar 21 2010, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 21 2010, 06:20 PM)
question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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imax80,

Are you suffering from any sight problems or are you trying to make a joke? Everything is written there VERY clearly.
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post Mar 21 2010, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 21 2010, 06:20 PM)
question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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X: Time in term of date
Y: Gross return in term of percentage

Blue line: Fund performance
Red line: Benchmark performance
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post Mar 21 2010, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 21 2010, 07:43 PM)
X: Time in term of date
Y: Gross return in term of percentage

Blue line: Fund performance
Red line: Benchmark performance
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thank you very much David83.


Added on March 21, 2010, 9:15 pm
QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 21 2010, 07:42 PM)
imax80,

Are you suffering from any sight problems or are you trying to make a joke? Everything is written there VERY clearly.
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oo sorry Jordy, yes everything is explain but i just want to know the general meaning of the graph indicitor i.e Y: Gross return in term of percentage

i am really a beginner


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post Mar 23 2010, 05:30 PM

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sorry guys do any of u all do maintenace of public mutual in pbebank?
what do you put as alias?
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post Mar 23 2010, 06:38 PM

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sorry guys do any of u all do maintenace of public mutual in pbebank?
what do you put as alias?
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I put the fund's name acronym.
Sir Adrian Wellesley
post Mar 24 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 20 2010, 09:29 AM)
yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this
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errr? 1st of all, there is a tickbox in the new fund application form, where u can either choose ur dividend to be payout to u or reinvested. 2nd, The fund price drop is only natural, it is adjusted after the ex-div date...this is also true for stocks. 3rd, dividend is regarded as income & is therefore taxable.

4th, I'm glad u sold off ur units, coz ur agent didnt do a good job educating u, ur move will give him a slap on d face, unless of course u r ur own agent, that's a good slap on ur face thumbup.gif
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post Mar 24 2010, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Sir Adrian Wellesley @ Mar 24 2010, 01:26 PM)
errr? 1st of all, there is a tickbox in the new fund application form, where u can either choose ur dividend to be payout to u or reinvested. 2nd, The fund price drop is only natural, it is adjusted after the ex-div date...this is also true for stocks. 3rd, dividend is regarded as income & is therefore taxable.
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That's why, wouldn't you prefer that they do not issue dividend at all so we all do not get taxed? If I want that some kind of dividend, might as well i sell of 5% of my units for my own dividend, since capital gain is tax free? So.. in conclusion dividend in unit trust is a waste of time.

For stocks is different as, the price of the stock does not necessary track the book value, so dividend gains is suitable and the price might continue to go up. Unfortunately unit trust track the book value known as NAV, which is guaranteed to go down after dividend issue.

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post Mar 24 2010, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 24 2010, 02:10 PM)
That's why, wouldn't you prefer that they do not issue dividend at all so we all do not get taxed? If I want that some kind of dividend, might as well i sell of 5% of my units for my own dividend, since capital gain is tax free? So.. in conclusion dividend in unit trust is a waste of time.

For stocks is different as, the price of the stock does not necessary track the book value, so dividend gains is suitable and the price might continue to go up. Unfortunately unit trust track the book value known as NAV, which is guaranteed to go down after dividend issue.
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unit trusts are simply pooled investments in stocks and other things, and the NAV is the reflection of the underlying stock prices, so dividends from unit trusts are in essence the same as dividends from stocks

if stock prices go up despite dividends, it would push up the price of the unit trusts which have purchased these stocks too

so there really is no difference


in any case, having the option of dividends is better than not having it because some people prefer receiving dividends, some people want regular income; if you don't want, simply choose to reinvest, your total unit trust holdings value would remain the same
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post Mar 24 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(heliora @ Mar 24 2010, 04:52 PM)
in any case, having the option of dividends is better than not having it because some people prefer receiving dividends, some people want regular income; if you don't want, simply choose to reinvest, your total unit trust holdings value would remain the same
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If i choose to reinvest, i get taxed anyway. If they don't have dividend then i don't get taxed. Thats is why now i am moving to UT which do not pay dividends. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 24 2010, 05:43 PM)
If i choose to reinvest, i get taxed anyway. If they don't have dividend then i don't get taxed. Thats is why now i am moving to UT which do not pay dividends.  thumbup.gif
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i am pretty sure if you choose to reinvest you will not get taxed, correct me if i'm wrong though
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mind to share u moved to wic equity-based UTs that do not pay dividends?

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