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post Jun 8 2011, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 06:07 PM)
That's why I say "Direct Commission" ma..
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Hehhe yup yup - starts off badly, only direct commissions to live on for full timers but as time goes on, the Agents' main $ will be the Career benefit, group sales, etc. - Direct Commissions no feel comparatively UNLESS manage to hook a big shot lump sum brows.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 08:34 PM)
No wonder that day in the end of discussion, my agent asked me if i would consider to be a unit trust consultant or not lah, benefits so good...
By the way, i thought RM100 per month is an easy investment to go? You mean not many investors are investing RM100? Then why are they investing?
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Methinks Bonescythe may be talking about getting 1,000 customers blindly doing monthly standing instructions of $100 pm (think 365 days, 1 per day customer, thus 3 years can be rich liao)
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100 customers blindly doing average $1K pm standing instructions (still got ppl can afford mar - see the Savings thread/topic tongue.gif)
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10 customers blindly doing average $10K pm standing instructions (lala land lar this unless U know high wealth AND not too smart investors - not a likely combination that can last) brows.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 08:48 PM)
1st one more feasible.. No fast way get rich la, come on.. 3 year and can have residue 3k, where to find?
And mind you, you think ask people to pay 100 monthly is easy? haha. Think again when u do it.. Lots of reason when u do it.. Hahaha.

But it is more up to, who you met, your circles of friends. If you are doing public mutual in rural kampung, expect worst la.. Hahhaa
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Hm.. it gets easier lor once U have a personal track record, especially managing your own mutual fund investments through highs and lows - can show U approach it as an investor, from fund selection reasoning & logic, to methodologies (entry/exit rules), thus one is not a SALES Agent only lor, but an investor and advisor.


Added on June 8, 2011, 9:04 pm
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 08:55 PM)
Really depends on market.. 3-4 years, really dunno what will happen.

The latest 2 year performance for PCSF is as following

2009 (All figures in RM'000)

Net Investment loss - (433,643)
Net loss after taxation - (342,435)

2010

Net Investment Income - 159,687
Net loss after taxation - (8,856)

So, what will be 2011? What will be 2014 as well?
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Gotta borrow that Crystal Ball from fellow forumer Transit lor. That fellow's hogging it cow cow tongue.gif Joking Transit, joking! Stop poking that voodoo doll blink.gif

On a serious note - why do many people assume they can see the future ar? It's to go up / down / left / right... IMHO, investing is like a marathon - U run long term and have strategies on how to take on that hill or breakthrough the "wall" when your whole body just wants to shut down. It's NOT a short sprint.

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post Jun 8 2011, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 09:04 PM)
I say trust is very important here.
No trust no talk.. Money also lesser.. But trust does not come instantly.. When customer profile building up, show them.. If they are satisfied, they will automatically beg for more, and let them invest.. Begging you to subscribe more unit for them.. Lolz..

Products speaks loudest here.. So, fund manager very important.. PB Mutual.. Ok lar.. Reputable for their services so far, but.. some still sarks
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I beg to differ - not just products lor but the AGENT can make a difference as well in helping customers make informed decisions and structure a cohesive approach.

Then again, not many agents like that lor - 80% will try to get U to plonk in your inherited $ or great grand pappy's insurance instead of structuring it in such a way where asset is allocated across countries and methodologies, progressively. Hey, if they can grab our lump sum commission now, why not? Rather than allow some other agents to grab it later if done progressively tongue.gif - personal experience with a colleague's spouse's, and that was end 2007 early 2008. Imagine what would have happened if she put in lump sum during that time? brows.gif

BTW, no fund house is perfect lor - PM / PB has dogs too. U think PCSF is bad? Take a peek at PGSF too (last i looked lar) tongue.gif

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 09:08 PM)
ACtually, by investing RM100 per month consistently will really see result or not?
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IMHO, in % wise, yes U can see results in a full cycle of ups/downs (say about 5 to 8 yrs) BUT.. (there's always some butts mar) quantitative-wise, U may feel it's peanuts lor.

$100pm is better than $0pm
$1,000pm is better than $100pm
etc. etc.

though i'd caution against blindly doing more than $100pm, every month, for 5 years+.
Imagine ar - the Agent buta get 2.75% every month. No monitoring, no personal services & advices, no nothing.

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post Jun 8 2011, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 09:04 PM)
I say trust is very important here.
No trust no talk.. Money also lesser.. But trust does not come instantly.. When customer profile building up, show them.. If they are satisfied, they will automatically beg for more, and let them invest.. Begging you to subscribe more unit for them.. Lolz..

Products speaks loudest here.. So, fund manager very important.. PB Mutual.. Ok lar.. Reputable for their services so far, but.. some still sarks
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Bro - U talking about investment or... brows.gif Sounds so.. not right laugh.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 09:32 PM)
Ah hahaha.. Who knows what happen next? Client become wife already? Lolz
Joking..
This investment thread.. Not find wife thru investment..
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Ah.. but finding a good wife IS an GREAT investment right? tongue.gif. Ok ok, enough of my bullkaka. Good lord, i just noticed we've been slinging postings like crazed kids.

Gomenosai to all fellow bros & sis for hogging this evening notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 8 2011, 10:09 PM)
2 senior investors talking, junior like me diam diam  tongue.gif 

Lately quite a bad time for me. Psmallcap make me lost around 20k  since it reopens sweat.gif  Hope can rebound  flex.gif
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Bro BoneScythe = senior lar. I'm just a lemming tongue.gif .

Whoa.. U plonked in $100K just as it reopened ar? shocking.gif
Please share how U lost $20K via PSmallCap (i assume it's not bought in end 2007, then measured end 2008 lar tongue.gif )

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 8 2011, 10:36 PM)
It reopens last month 18th april. Previously holding the other funds like PRSF, PEF, PGF, PSF, Pittikal. My mum one actually. Just that she ask me to study those investments thing. Those 5 funds, some of them doesnt really perform well especially Pittikal in the recent years. We invest in PM since 10years ago, some 5-6 years. PRSF return is good for past 10 years.

So last month, smallcap reopens. We cash out around 480k and buy smallcap. This is because we are not allowed to switch in to this fund. Only can switch out. Then we got no choice except to sell and buy back with 4% charge instead of 5.5%. But we didnt sell PEF. Since the fund reopen, the performance is -4.xx% something. No choice except to close one eye and hoping it will rebound properly from now on  tongue.gif
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OMG... shocking.gif U went OUT then came back in in CASH?! Ouch!!! 5.5% buta gone + flux of market up/down no one knows = a huge gamble leh. shocking.gif
I hope U or a family member was the agent, at least get back the 2.75% else... cry.gif

Balls of steel bro notworthy.gif
Personally, i'd play statistical probabilities rather than HOPE tongue.gif

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post Jun 8 2011, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 10:44 PM)
That's what my agent told me, he asked me how much i can save every month, I say RM1500, then he asked me to invest RM1500 every month, asked me to invest 1 big lump sum of RM30K. He is agency manager some more...

How come i find so hard also can't get one to be honest to me??? I want an honest one, HONEST...why is it so hard?  cry.gif
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DebbieYSS, U must understand where most of these fellows are "coming" from. It's their rice bowl - not yours. U think most of them think of YOU first?

I can say things with impunity coz i dont rely on commissions for a living, it's a passion & interest to me. Since U now know how sneaky ones work, U know which to avoid already tongue.gif. Now to look for ones that U can trust.


Added on June 8, 2011, 10:56 pm
QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 10:50 PM)
I don't think I want to stick to the UT consultant any more. Sigh...
He asked me invest RM1500 per month, then buta-buta gets 2.5% commission from me, not looking after my fund, guarantee me to earn profits after 10 years, like this i also can be my own consultant liao lah...
Sad sad sad...
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DebbieYSS, nearly any monkey can guarantee profits lar in 10 years, it's a statistically "near sure" probability if U do via DCA or Value Averaging. The issue is, is the profits in a high enough %pa to be worthwhile? Take a look at the stats i uploaded for 10, 5, 3, 1yrs ending XXX date, yyyy date, etc.

Hell, with the % the agent is getting long term + short term, he can afford to top up for U if it doesnt make profit in 10 years brows.gif

You are right - i was personally cheesed off with all the BS thus, i became my own agent tongue.gif.

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post Jun 8 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 8 2011, 10:58 PM)
3% gone  tongue.gif . Not come back with cash, just cheque. I think it is not a gamble eh. I keep update with the market quite often. As you can see, the fund is top fund under mid cap equity in Malaysia. And it delivers consistent return too. Probably will be holding the fund for 3-10 years. 50% equity 40% bond 10% Fixed income for me. Dont dare 100% equity  sweat.gif

Speaking about guts, you should try swiftlet farming. Super high risks, duper high return  thumbup.gif
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Swiftlet Farming? No thank U - i like my nuts where they are and how they are now, not metalized or ripped off thank U very much tongue.gif


Added on June 8, 2011, 11:03 pm
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 8 2011, 11:00 PM)
Wah, that is painful. But also to be honest, losing 20k consider still ok already if compared to those directly in stock market.

In May - April this year, market lau sai so hard. KLCI falling like nobody business at these period, until reaching low of 1474 resistance support. Well, this support touched 2 times during this downturn market.

I myself is in share market as well. Those days are basically everyday having "periods". 800-900 counter down in 1 day. Counters going up only less than 50.

So when PSmallCap reopen, it already took a heavy burn in the pocket from all the panic selling in the stock market. That is why the performance went so terrible down, since SmallCap is investing on those counter will small market capitalization. Which means, this type of counter with small market capital will not be very liquid, and will come down like torrential rain fall during downturn season.

But recently, investor should be coming back and bringing back the bulls to the share market. HwangDBS maintained an overweight for Malaysia investment prospectus. KLCI back on track at above 1550, and it should be a good time to invest now. Forecasted KLCI go on to 1620 this year, which will definitely give a good pulling effect on overall good growth stocks.

Maybe I can advise you that in the future, don't dump 480k at one time. You would not know what kind of market is it at that moment. People say diversify, it is not on diversifying on products only, but you can diversify through different entry timing.

If you enter later a bit, i guess you should be able to see some good profits now.
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And he says he's NOT a Senior in Mutual Fund investing tongue.gif. Sounds like meh meh but lion in disguise notworthy.gif


Added on June 8, 2011, 11:06 pm
QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 10:58 PM)
Where you posted the stats? Can guide me to the thread?
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Eh? I thought i pasted it into the same post with the Excels and PowerPoints? My bad tongue.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/690951/+1180
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/690951/+1193

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 8 2011, 11:20 PM)
Maybe i'm not suitable in investment, all consultant i met only know how to make me invest more, brokers also like that, client ask to sell but never know the price can go higher, the broker never consult also, just sell for the client.

Now i want to get an honest UT consultant, also like that... I treat you honest, you also treat me honest mar...

Sick lah...
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Dont be disheartened Debbie. As U get smarter, somehow, the better Agents or brokers tend to surface. Maybe the reason is U can, by then, smell BS a mile away and corner these idiots with IN YOUR FACE Qs that they cant BS out of tongue.gif.

I'm sure there are at least a few good Agents here in LYN forum. Contact Debbie lar, whatcha waiting for? thumbup.gif

FYI - I found one of the best mortgage and insurance fellow AFTER i became more learned in these areas & investing and he has always been giving me the best options ever since. Oh yes, i do check it out with other Agents, directly with banks, etc. too before taking his bait willingly tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
But according to debbie, the consultant is like "Kam sau", want her to put all her leftovers for the month in mutual fund. Like this is "kam sau" style already, and not putting some of the monthly salary.
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rclxms.gif Brother, dont lar like that - they're just trying to make a living (unfortunately, maybe at the expense of others). U dont blame a lion killing/eating a gazelle right? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 9 2011, 09:02 AM)
Firstly, I have already finished reading Public Mutual V1 and V2. I have downloaded report from public mutual website for all the funds they have.

Secondly, how am I know if I am misinformed when I am new to mutual fund? As long as he is an angency manager whatever he tells me I will absorb. If an agency manager would tell the different thing than the mutual fund actually is, do you think I could know? Who is going to tell me then?

Thirdly, yes, he didn't force me, but he was telling me 'I just want to help you to reach what you want, either you want to follow your friend's opinions or you follow my opinions, you choose. I have 3 million assets, big customers, all my customers trust me, they only give me a call and ask me what to buy, then immediately give me lump sum of 100K to buy, because they trust me. Some customers even bank in their money into my personal account.' I can't exactly remember word by word that he told me but his meaning is exactly what i have mentioned here. Would you feel 'forced' to invest if you are fresh in mutual fund?

Forthly, I have surveyed in both versions of public mutual here, I even jod down each and every good performing funds such as small cap etc but some funds are already closed. My fault? wink.gif

Lastly, yes, I can't blame him, it's my choice to invest. But I would blame him if as an agency manager, he never fully inform the details of a fund and just ask me to invest. I have the right to blame him if he never fully do his job.

Firstly, I did tell him I would like to know more about Public Bond Fund, the firs thing he told me is do NOT invest in bond fund as it yielding speed is very low, more suitable to old people. If I invest in Bond Fund, I can't get enough money for retirement.

He said no need to switch. After market down, it will eventually rise up, it won't forever down. Just as when market down, you buy more units; market up, you buy less units. This is the theory he told me.

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Whoa.. IMHO, that "Agency manager" is a Sales Agent in disguise leh.

Theory? In reality, bond funds have made more pa% than equity funds before on certain stretches of years. Think 10%pa to 11%pa - I've got the stats, wanna see? tongue.gif . Bottomline - best to use the right vehicles, based on the "goals" and situations, no "perfect" all market situation vehicles.

In addition, it's ALWAYS good to lock in some profits when there are supernormal profits, either from bonds or equities. When there are supernormal rises OR plunges, the "snapback" or "reversion to mean" is usually greater - think of a rubber band stretching very high / low VS one that is stretched only a bit up/down, what would the reaction be? There are logical and psychological reasons behind these - way too long & detailed to write here (IMHO only).

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 9 2011, 09:52 AM)
Kinda agreed.. Like "kam sau" already.. Hahaha

Bond fund is good. If investor appetite is no balls made of steel, Bond Fund is good as it is conservative, and focus on good sovereign bonds.

Which Agency Manager is that? Need to dig out and see see first. Hahaha. So "kam sau" one.
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Wah bro, U going hunting lions with your Scythe? tongue.gif
Just neuter the bugger & spare his life lar brows.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 9 2011, 10:06 AM)
This agency manager got his own Public Mutual office in Cheras one... He is CFA cirtified.

Mr. Lee XX.

Ok lah. That's all I can disclose, spare his life for future. Forumers can take note of this agency manager.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 9 2011, 10:29 AM)
Maybe he knows i am not rich so don't bother to explain so much for me. Anyway....
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Well, for a fun idea, think of him helping his rich customers get poorer - he's THE equalizer tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HJebat @ Jun 10 2011, 10:58 AM)
Those who bought China Select Fund during the offer period still haven't recoup their initial capital whistling.gif
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And some of these PubMut Sales Agents that "promised" or sold the idea of "20%pa returns sure wan" in 2007 early 2008, is now still making tons of $ in ING after changing phone # and stuff to avoid the bugging of their PCSF mangsas / customers. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jun 10 2011, 05:16 PM)
Alamak, I just bought China ASEAN Equity Trust Fund last month!!!!
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IMHO, for the statistically inclined & risk management inclined, best to avoid "new" funds until there are 3 years' statistics available, unless U want to punt lar.
Tell them Sales Agents to go away when they tell U "cheap mar new fund" "got discount" "0.25% off for monthly Standing Instructions forever wor", etc. etc.

Then again, perhaps it's good to keep these kinda Sales Agents alive with some dumb $ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HJebat @ Jun 10 2011, 05:34 PM)
Wah, you have a good memory! Yes, PCSF was introduced in 2007.

I nearly become one of those victims myself. Luckily, pulled out in the last minute.

But a few of my friends falled to the "guaranteed % return" & "ride with the China force" traps.

That's a very expensive lesson sad.gif

Psst, wong...are you one of the mangsa? biggrin.gif
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Nah, i'm one of the "watchers" - like i shared earlier (dunno this thread/topic or some others in LYN), i saw the mass exodus of these Sales Agents, from PM to ING and found out the reasons why tongue.gif. BTW, i dont touch "new funds" without any statistical data i can crunch - unless i'm "punting" with a very small amount of $, chicken lar blush.gif

Hey, i've no qualms checking out other fund houses' invitation to "see see" their funds & Agents' benefits mar brows.gif

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