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post Nov 14 2010, 11:39 AM

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subangman...my Guzheng player needs to change the entire set of 21 nylon strings. What brand is good...and where to buy? How much per set?
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post Nov 14 2010, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Nov 14 2010, 11:39 AM)
subangman...my Guzheng player needs to change the entire set of 21 nylon strings. What brand is good...and where to buy? How much per set?
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Dunhuang Type B... its a professional set. I got Mei-mei's one from Sound of Asia; US . Carol charged me ..US$45/set of 21. the bass ones
really BIG and tok-kong. .... + postage US$13.95; will arrived less than 10 calender days.
I've been to so many stores around in Klang valley ... no chance; some even haven't heard of it ... SHAME !
Even Singapore Eason dun carry it. http://www.eason.com.sg/products/pluck_access/mz13-33.jsp
I still got a brand new set of Scarlet Bird Zhuque Professional strings ... US$59.60/set.... intend to put into mei-mei's 4th guzheng...
but if u really need it ... I can pass to u. Honestly I dun know how it sounds..... but heard its pretty good.

places for good strings.

1. http://www.sogoeo.com/folk-musical-strings...4efj6i3ro22a5a1

2. http://soundofasia.com/accessories.html .... apparently she also out of stock.... I have ordered 2 sets from Dunhuang Shanghai.... next yr
only arrives to KampungKUL.... 1 set for brudder faceless.

--------------------------------- else if u cannot tahan get the Dunhuang normal ones ...

1. Go to the Pudu area...(behind the market ... near the carpark area) same row with the famous Thai temple
there is a chinese instrument shop...only one there only.... with lots of other goodies. better than lots of places i've been so far.

2. Alan place lor.... i dropped in there last week to look see look see wats new stuff he got..... nothin !

3. SS2 "Dunhuang" .

4. Sunway mentari.

5. Euphony .

if u intend to change them b4 concert i advise u pls do it ASAP... need some time to let the strings to 'open sound' else she
needs lots of practice.

...................... honestly most of the stores in SEA selling exoctic musical instruments sux; min. capital max profit only.

how often u see a full concerto harp ? u seen any yani sax around in MY ? seen any jade Dizi ?

I intend to buy a highly praise Scarlet Bird #10B from USA and ship back to Kampung by FedEx..lucky the cost of shipment less than US$200/=.

at present only 3sets of SB #10B been produced ... 1 set is in Shanghai... became shop billboard while 2 are in USA. doh.gif ...
soon its going to b mei-mei's if she gives me the grenn lights.

to get one... must order thru authorised dealers and the waiting list is 4-6mths.... !so i choose the best and the easiest way !


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I have restringed my Scarlet bird after one year. then I have put on Yuesheng strings and my bird sounds muffle and muddled after a half year.
It depend on the string brand how long they are lasting. Yuesheng strings don't brake fast but the got very fast a muffled sound, and the go out of tune the first weeks very quickly.
If you want bright, loud and clear strings, wich are also have a punchy bass and are soft to bend, I can recommend Scarlet Bird Professional strings.

I recommend to replace the yuesheng strings, since they don't have a good sound and they are hard to bend. When you change the strings with a better brand You will hear the difference immediatly.


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post Nov 15 2010, 01:53 AM

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Wow...thx Subangman for your very detailed explanation. I dont think my band member's Guzheng need expensive strings for our concert on 8 Dec in MPO concert hall.

I'll see what other options there are on-line.


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Show in Pudu sound interesting. I should check it out one day.

Empire, when buying online one of the problem is getting it in time for the concert.
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QUOTE(empire @ Nov 15 2010, 01:53 AM)
Wow...thx Subangman for your very detailed explanation. I dont think my band member's Guzheng need expensive strings for our concert on 8 Dec in MPO concert hall.

I'll see what other options there are on-line.
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actually they are not really expansive about as about RM10/string .... normal ones RM5 to 6 each alridi. The problem they are very rare.

online purchase u need to rush up quickly... i got another option... mei-mei's teacher going to singapore on wed... i can get him to
get some for u provided u know wat u after mate.

its' adviseable to change the entire set of strings .... tat's why i normally got a spare set @ home in case mei-mei needs it.

empire u free tmw afternoon?


Added on November 15, 2010, 11:49 am
QUOTE(faceless @ Nov 15 2010, 08:05 AM)
Show in Pudu sound interesting. I should check it out one day.

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Bru... u should go to the Pudu shop and scout around... quite intersiting lar.



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post Nov 15 2010, 12:02 PM

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Empire,
I think buying online is too much of a rush at the moment. I think you are better of using the existing stock that Subang has. There is also the following problem to deal with.
QUOTE(subangman @ Nov 14 2010, 09:52 PM)
I have restringed my Scarlet bird after one year. then I have put on Yuesheng strings and my bird sounds muffle and muddled after a half year.
It depend on the string brand how long they are lasting. Yuesheng strings don't brake fast but the got very fast a muffled sound, and the go out of tune the first weeks very quickly.
If you want bright, loud and clear strings, wich are also have a punchy bass and are soft to bend, I can recommend Scarlet Bird Professional strings.

I recommend to replace the yuesheng strings, since they don't have a good sound and they are hard to bend. When you change the strings with a better brand You will hear the difference immediatly.
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When I purchased my guzheng it was untuned. I brought it to my teacher. He said you can have it in two weeks. Very puzzled with his statement, I asked "does it takes two weeks to tune a guzheng?". He said, "new string under tension, you should know since you played the guitar." Once a string is pulled to the right tension, it will loose tension again as a new string. It need constant playing & tuning for two to three weeks to "season" up.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Nov 15 2010, 12:02 PM)
Empire,
I think buying online is too much of a rush at the moment. I think you are better of using the existing stock that Subang has. There is also the following problem to deal with.

When I purchased my guzheng it was untuned. I brought it to my teacher. He said you can have it in two weeks. Very puzzled with his statement, I asked "does it takes two weeks to tune a guzheng?". He said, "new string under tension, you should know since you played the guitar." Once a string is pulled to the right tension, it will loose tension again as a new string. It need constant playing & tuning for two to three weeks to "season" up.
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tat's wat the say 'open sound' ... but anyway if u really need it i can pass them to u.... i think by then u are the only person having these set
of strings in KampungKUL as Zhuque Xian is a rare name in SEA and these set only goes with their high ends guzheng only.

after i put in the Dunhuang Type B into mei-mei's guzheng then only her teacher realised tat there are 3 type of strings produced by Dunhuang
.... tis ah pek not a guzheng player knows more than dealers & teachers ...... hmm.gif

just like the old kungfu times..... when ones kungfu not really good but with the aid with a good sword things can be changed !{mei mei} flex.gif

but when a good swordman got a good sword things will be excellent {shanghai angels}..... just a few bucks more lar... not enough for Faceless &
myself to quench our thirst if u take up the tap...... right faceless bru ! thumbup.gif LOL!

i need to test my AKG C411 and Barcus Berry 4000 lar so tat if the DIY is good i make one too .. then the Barcus berry stay @ home with the piano
or the future harp.... another rare gem i found.

C411 will pair with the DIY for the guzheng or cello when requires... or pass to the Yangqin gal when she needs it.




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Just wondering if anybody plays guqin...
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:24 PM

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Great! How the Shanghai Angels had become swordwomen. rclxms.gif Hey, the string is only a scarbard lah. tongue.gif The guzheng is the sword. You know the cheap metal sword the normal soilder during the manchurian rule uses. Imagine carrying one of those sword using the scarbard of the seven star sword. biggrin.gif As they say in mayalsia "tak boleh tak apa, gaya mesti ada".

So when you trying our the "pickup". I really want to see the DIY that Empire has and how it measure against the Berries. drool.gif

Flore, I dont play the yangqin.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Nov 15 2010, 03:24 PM)
Great! How the Shanghai Angels had become swordwomen. rclxms.gif Hey, the string is only a scarbard lah. tongue.gif The guzheng is the sword. You know the cheap metal sword the normal soilder during the manchurian rule uses. Imagine carrying one of those sword using the scarbard of the seven star sword. biggrin.gif As they say in mayalsia "tak boleh tak apa, gaya mesti ada".

So when you trying our the "pickup". I really want to see the DIY that Empire has and how it measure against the Berries.  drool.gif

Flore, I dont play the yangqin.
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faceless .. the strings and bridges of the guzheng cannot be consider as scarbard lar... the are in fact part of the whole sword.
the scarbard is the kaki (stand)for the guzheng.... laugh.gif

i was talking our 'friend' the guzheng master ... in fact the bridges do make a hugh impact when producing a good sound.
He normally travels with a set personalised custom made bridges. Good guzheng or normal guzheng doesn't bother him much.
He only put in his bridges and performs.... tat's another thing i'm aimming to hit next... hahaha. Scouting for ivory bridges
just like a koto. ....mayb lucky to find it from Bang kok... cannot afford to get it from Japun.......LOL!

I am worse than a hardcore fan !


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QUOTE(flore @ Nov 15 2010, 03:03 PM)
Just wondering if anybody plays guqin...
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sori flore :- not much info on guqin... but i know where to find them.... wat info r u after ?
i'm just an ah pek who don't even play a cheng .. onli pay and tat's why i got lots of info for $ is BIG $ to me when paying ... LOL !
try Empire for he is the man with multi talent.

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QUOTE(subangman @ Nov 15 2010, 03:55 PM)

sori flore :- not much info on guqin... but i know where to find them.... wat info r u after ?
i'm just an ah pek who don't even play a cheng .. onli pay and tat's why i got lots of info for $ is BIG $ to me when paying ... LOL !
try Empire for he is the man with multi talent.


Lols! Oh, I'm very much interested in learning to play guqin for some time now. Just wonder if u guys do play that instrument.
Is it a relatively *cheap* instrument?

How I wish I was somebody who could play anything under his nose.
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QUOTE(flore @ Nov 15 2010, 06:07 PM)
Lols! Oh, I'm very much interested in learning to play guqin for some time now. Just wonder if u guys do play that instrument.
Is it a relatively *cheap* instrument?

How I wish I was somebody who could play anything under his nose.
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hate to disappoint u tat guqin is worse than guzheng... and not many teachers too...
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subangman...my schedule is pretty tight now..with school holds and many back to back shows all over Malaysia. If you are around PJ during CNY...you are most welcome to come to my hosue to test. Ok?
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QUOTE(empire @ Nov 15 2010, 11:02 PM)
subangman...my schedule is pretty tight now..with school holds and many back to back shows all over Malaysia. If you are around PJ during CNY...you are most welcome to come to my hosue to test. Ok?
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ok dokie... by then u must throw in few bottles of 'Char Ling' ... whistling.gif
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Okay lah so the legs/stand are the scarbard. Yes, I agree it is the bridge that transfer the vibration (sound waves) into the sound board. So, now we chase after superior bridge. I do not think full ivory could do a good job. I am not sure what wood is being use. It is definately not the tong wood. It is a hard wood type. I must do more research on this. Then one day get Zhuque (Scarlett Bird) to custom make me a 七星宝剑。

Thats sound good, Empire. This CNY we have a place to go for 拜年 rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif CNY is just amazing. It is a good time to rest as all activity come to a standstill smile.gif Many We can do a jam session with your angels too.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpwHzqvbBVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqc8_1lRqM&feature=related


hey guys and ladies, anyone know where to get the CD for this?

飞天 (flying asparas) - not this version thou, its not very well done, but the same music done by other orchestra

saw a CD like a decade ago in Singapore but did not buy, to much regrets.

thanks ya.

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post Nov 16 2010, 03:01 PM

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Subangman, Faceless..come CNY...my Angels all balik kampung with millions of other Malaysians lor! They are not from Klang Valley.
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QUOTE(empire @ Nov 16 2010, 03:01 PM)
Subangman, Faceless..come CNY...my Angels all balik kampung with millions of other Malaysians lor! They are not from Klang Valley.
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Angels balik kampung ... ah pek pun balik kampung juga... normally will b out after 4-5th day only.


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QUOTE(subangman @ Nov 16 2010, 08:44 PM)
Angels balik kampung ... ah pek pun balik kampung juga... normally will b out after 4-5th day only.
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Hi Everyone,

May I know, is RM2,500 for "Shanghai Dunhuang African Sandalwood 21# Guzheng" with product code 696D expensive? It is a brand new one and recommended by my teacher. Do you know the market price? Thank You
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QUOTE(kllee83 @ Nov 17 2010, 11:17 AM)
Hi Everyone,

May I know, is RM2,500 for "Shanghai Dunhuang African Sandalwood 21# Guzheng" with product code 696D expensive? It is a brand new one and recommended by my teacher. Do you know the market price? Thank You
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.... ok u wan to hear the ugly truth .here it goes. Kind of extravagant; try to nego down say to RM2,000/= else ask the dealer
to give u a 3 piece kaki on top of the normal 2set kaki.

Sound of asia only selling US$398 + $180 FedEx < RM1,800/=
http://soundofasia.com/duafsagu69.html

else go to Singapore Eason :-
http://www.eason.com.sg/products/guzheng/tbz20.jsp < RM1,600/=.. take bus or drive down also cost less than RM2,000/=

but if ur teacher is sellin the guzheng to u then its entirely the investment of a relationship between the teacher wit u.
.......... I'm not capable to judge it; no comments.





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