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post Jan 30 2010, 05:18 PM

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From what I read, most of the articles focusing on the fact iPad simplifying or the usability of computers using the iPhone UI for non-tech savvy. I don't think that the answer to the future computing product is to dumb down and make Fisher-Price-esque interface because some demographics are too lazy or scared to learn how to use a proper computer.
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post Jan 30 2010, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 05:40 PM)
@ Voxe
Steve would disagree with you, cos that's what works. even for the average car or TV owner, they don't care what picture tube or what engine is inside.
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It might work but this product very un-Apple-ish in my opinion. The tablet was supposed to be in works for at least 7 years and Jobs has thrown out all the prototypes created over the time and this is the end result.

A lazy execution of what seems to be an enlarged iPod Touch with no revolutionary or innovative features which can't do any of its set goals properly. What happened to the magic that Apple had when they unveiled the iPhone? Has innovation run dry at Cupertino?
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post Jan 30 2010, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jan 30 2010, 07:56 PM)
@ Voxe
did you read the linked posts? Steve obviously threw out the past prototypes cos he (and the executive team at Apple) saw more potential in this product.

Let me quote from the keynote itself
"Netbooks aren't better at anything, they're just cheaper".

Do you really think its a lazy execution? instead of focusing on all the things it can't do for *you* and *I* ... who are admittedly geekier than most, perhaps Steve is trying to get our non-geek friends, who otherwise would never even consider carrying around a netbook / tablet Mac OR PC ... if they would get one, I'd count the iPad a success.

If Steve and the Apple crew find a way to build a tablet Mac, I'd be overjoyed too. I do find the keyboard a hassle to carry around, and I don't need the performance of a  2.4 GHz Mac all the time. Most of the time, I can do my computing just fine with a 2.0 smile.gif
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Netbook, for one thing, is faster than the iPad. It offers the full internet with Flash, has desktop-class application and multitasking with being cheaper than the iPad.

Its definitely lazy. All the features of an iPod Touch just dumped into a larger screen. They didn't even bother to polish up the apps to desktop-like qualities (the iPad afterall is supposed to be an inbetweener) like Flash, eInk, HDMI ports, camera, etc.

And the success of the iPad can only be measured two months from now, so till then I'll stay on this side of the fence. If I'm wrong I'll gladly switch places.

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post Jan 30 2010, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Jan 30 2010, 11:38 PM)
They DON'T do 'scale-down' Mac. They DON'T cater for the low budget group. as simple as that. Steve mentioned it some time back.
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But they are catering for the low budget group which is iPad. If Apple can scale up iPhone, the opposite would be true.
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post Jan 31 2010, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Jan 30 2010, 07:54 PM)
I've decided, iPad should be same as Kindle category; eBook Reader. 

It's like the iPod, which can use for web browsing, download app and gaming though it's part of Music Player category.
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Truthfully, iPad would be more suitable to be classified as a Tablet Media Player because of the fact that it does everything but none of it are perfect. Web browsing is limited because lack of Flash support, Video only supports up to 640x480 and with 4:3 ratio, a lot of videos have to be crop or panned, the screen and battery life limits the reading capability.
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post Jan 31 2010, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(nawzi @ Jan 31 2010, 12:46 PM)
Video support up to 720p

http://www.apple.com/asia/ipad/specs/
H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
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My mistake but isn't MP4 is the default container for Apple PMPs? Looks like you need to convert all your iPhone MP4 files.

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post Jan 31 2010, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(civic98 @ Jan 31 2010, 07:05 PM)
Can't believe the negavity of people here, we have people who would spend thousands on a device that only plays games, or on device that only plays videos / music, or even one that only plays slideshows of photos, or just to surf the web, but here we have something that does all of them, though not to perfection, and it's getting all sorts of bad comments. Anyone thinks positive anymore?
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We are negative because Apple serve nothing special or incredible, instead give us something we already. That's why we are pissed. Its the same old same old.
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post Feb 1 2010, 01:46 AM

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iPad is just so bloody redundant. If you had an iPhone or iPod Touch, what would be the point of carrying an iPad when 90% of what its features is in your pocket already? Plus if you were using it and you wanted to make a phone call, you have to put down your iPad and fish out another device just to make a call.
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post Feb 1 2010, 02:46 PM

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If the N900 can run Mac OSX, why can't the iPad?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/mac-os-...c-barely-usable
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post Feb 1 2010, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 1 2010, 02:49 PM)
Before someone else comes back to you, I'll say it right upfront. Keyword:barely usable. 90 minutes boot-up, snailpaced cursors. Apple dont roll that way.
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Of course, its just a proof of concept that it is possible to run Mac OSX with ARM architecture. I'm sure if Apple does it, it would be much better.
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post Feb 1 2010, 06:32 PM

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IMO, the lack of Flash will have a larger impact on the iPad than the iPhone and iPod Touch. The iPhone's lack of Flash was acceptable because very few want to browse the web on 3.5" device but the iPad was marketed as the best web browsing experience but it significantly lack the a large chunk of the internet in the form of Flash. What happens when teenage girls found out their favourite artist's site can't be viewed and they can't watch their friend's video on Facebook? Backlash.

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post Feb 1 2010, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 1 2010, 07:56 PM)
From the same guy,
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Entelligence: iSlate or just uWish?
By Michael Gartenberg posted Dec 28th 2009 6:30PM

Quote "A larger iPod touch or a small MacBook with a touch screen is simply not the next big thing for Apple -- the goal is to appeal to 50 million customers, not 50 thousand."

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post Feb 1 2010, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 1 2010, 08:32 PM)
Michael Gartenberg said in the above article...
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Yeah, I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy.
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post Feb 2 2010, 12:08 AM

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Why are you guys being so apologetic for Apple's fault? The lack of camera is stupid. You haven't even use the iPad and you are already dismissing that it does not look comfortable or makes no sense.
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post Feb 2 2010, 12:35 AM

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Some apps on the iPad I read cannot change to landscape or portrait mode. The fact of the matter is that this device is aimed at the casual users and a camera for video conferencing would be of high value to the demographic target. Omitting it is simply puzzling since this device is meant to have the capability of a laptop but the simplicity of a phone.
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post Feb 2 2010, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 12:49 AM)
Here's a little snippet from the iPad Human Interface Guidelines document:
And out of curiosity, which are the apps that you've read that cannot change their orientation views? And besides, have you forgotten about where your hands and fingers will be at when you hold the device? on the bezel of course. And where can the camera be located at? On the bezel of course. I can already imagine the cries of: 'Arrgghh. my hands are blocking the camera... grr.. which direction should I be holding it in so I don't block it??'.

Furthermore, whatever makes you think that this is a device aimed at the casual users? The fact of the matter is that you're just making assumptions here. This is actually a device capable of quite a number of purposes, and of which there's plenty of developers right now puzzling over the HCI aspect of things in order to plan their own apps for it.

Yes, a camera will indeed be useful. But it won't kill not to have one right now, considering the current constaint to deal with. Like I said, if its a choice between the multi orientation capability or the cam, I'll go with the multi orientation capability.
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Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.
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post Feb 2 2010, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(happyfamily @ Feb 2 2010, 04:48 PM)
10 Reasons Why Apple iPad'sonna fail

And this is according to gadgetophilia. Whilst the dust settles on Apple's recently announced iPad, it seems the hype has died down and everyone has an opinion on Apple's latest creation. In short, there is nothing that deserved the hype and the device simply sucks if said politely. Here are some reasons why this device fails:

1. No Multitasking
2. Uncomfortable Keyboard
3. No WebCam
4. No Flash Support
5. Ugly Adapters
6. Go to Apple Store for Apps
7. No HDMI
8. Battery
9. MicroSIM
10. Too Big Bezel
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The ones I bolded are the ones I think the casual consumers won't really care when they buy the iPad.
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post Feb 2 2010, 07:20 PM

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Ha, fyire! iPad might get a camera afterall...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/02/apple-i...pruder-edition/
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post Feb 3 2010, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Feb 3 2010, 11:14 AM)
i dont get why people are complaining about the bezel. if the screen is right til the edge, how to hold the thing without ur thumb interacting with what u're doing? unless u prefer a handle lah, which is much much much uglier ;p

same goes to HDMI. yes i really want hdmi on my MBP, but for something like an iPad i dont see any reason to want one. what i think would be neat is miniDP IN port, so it can act as 2nd monitor for my MBP. well i can dream hehe
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I'm okay with bezel but it could be a little bit thinner. The thick bezel leaves a lot of negative space.
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post Feb 3 2010, 10:17 PM

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I think April. 60 days from January 27 is March 28. If you give or take the shipping, it would be around April.

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