Yes, Sub12 is obsolete. It is quite hard to judge a sub's performance based on spec, jz like loudspeakers.
The Official Subwoofer Thread v3, Everything you need to know about bass!
The Official Subwoofer Thread v3, Everything you need to know about bass!
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Jun 15 2010, 07:50 AM
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Yes, Sub12 is obsolete. It is quite hard to judge a sub's performance based on spec, jz like loudspeakers.
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Jun 16 2010, 11:14 PM
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Bro, I'll PM you the price for Klipsch.
Btw, I'll be getting XLO subwoofer cables. Pls PM if interested. http://www.xloelectric.com/products/HTSW/HTSW.html?series=HT |
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Jun 17 2010, 08:36 AM
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Bro, from whom or which shop as there are many fakes XLO Reference Power Cord around?
Reference 3? Here is a comparison of XLO Reference 2 : http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/New-XLO-Reference-2...1-/120481578938 and http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=971333&hl= Current official distributor is The Expert Group (TEG) Sdn Bhd while Maxx Audio is one of the authorized reseller This post has been edited by htkaki: Jun 17 2010, 08:53 AM |
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Jun 18 2010, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Jun 17 2010, 11:29 PM) I bought from a guy from hifi4sale called himself Raymond. My XLO is Ref 2 and looks exactly the same as the ebay photo with US plug. I believe the one showed in lowyat is fake one, isn't it? Hope I am buying the original cable and so far, the cable does a good job on my overall sound especially listening to concerts. Yes, the one in lyn is fake. htkaki, I didn;t know you sell XLO power cable. I would have bought from you. And neither do I know you do carry many other brands. I get to know you do sell brand new Mission speakers ht package. Now (apart from SVS), we have Kimber Kable, Cambridge Audio, Mission, XLO, Klipsch and probably soon, some really hi-end hi-fi stuff |
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Jun 18 2010, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 18 2010, 08:43 AM) Tks, bro.We are offering home trial for Kimber Kable and XLO for 1 week. If it is not suitable with your system, just return it and have your refund. Tested out the Kimber PK10 Gold, Bro, something that could be of interest to you : » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jun 18 2010, 09:19 AM
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Jun 18 2010, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 18 2010, 09:46 AM) Holfi FTW! htkaki, is this ur setup? If it is, how does battery powered sound. IMHO, Holfi is the closest reproduction of tube sound that is not tube based. Ain't mine. Belongs to one of my local customers here. I am trying to arrange for an audition on Jeff Rowland & Wilson Audio Watt Puppy system QUOTE Luckily I don't mix with U buggers in central region. I can always try to arrange some cables and send it up to poison you More poisons and mostly sub cables : » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jun 19 2010, 08:56 AM
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Boss, aint distributor. Only as authorized dealer as it is under TEG.
I shall updatethe info in my web within this week as we are embarking to a new web for only SVS while the rest of brands remain in current website. |
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Jun 30 2010, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jun 30 2010, 08:25 AM) Fuyooo.... firesale ah for this What Hi-Fi 5 Stars sub http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Wharfedale-Diamond-SW250/ This post has been edited by htkaki: Jun 30 2010, 08:46 AM |
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Jul 1 2010, 08:56 AM
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IMHO, REL R305 might have the upper edge over Paradigm DSP3400 since 3400 is ported. A ported sub could hardly match the tightness and pace of a sealed sub when playing music. It's kind of trade-off.
Hornyangmoh is clever. Having so many different subs. |
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Jul 1 2010, 11:10 PM
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Yes, it is. Final unit.
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Jul 6 2010, 09:06 AM
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I doubt the Paradigm can outclass the PC12-Plus. PC12-Plus sounds cleaner than the much talked about Velo SPL1200-Ultra. It has tighter bass and digs deep with good control.
I can't remember the exact Paradigm sub model that a customer have. But, his new PB12-Plus just blew it away. Hornyangmoh has a unit of this Paradigm. Why not you guys do a shootout since he is in Miri (IIRC) |
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Jul 9 2010, 09:52 AM
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LOL... My money on PC12-Plus esp for those ULF. For a ported sub, 12-Plus is surprisingly clean too.
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Jul 9 2010, 04:05 PM
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Transformer? You mean 1 or 2?
I prefer to use TS and HellBoy II. Hurt Locker has some very good bass scene and it is indeed very punishing for sub to produce the ULF. |
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Jul 16 2010, 11:08 AM
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Talking about subs, we will have the PC12-Plus and PC13-Ultra at the show along with the new SB subwoofers.
Anyone willing to bring their subwoofers for a shootout there? I am really interested to have : F113 vs PC13-Ultra or SB13-Plus Paradigm DSP3400 & DD-12 vs PC12-Plus (no need SPL1200Ultra since it is proven that PC12-Plus is the better performer) On 2nd thought, maybe still need SPL1200Ultra. Can pit it against SB12-NSD. No need Paradigm Sub25 as it is a clear winner for subwoofer below RM20K |
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Jul 16 2010, 11:37 AM
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Jul 16 2010, 12:08 PM
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set it to bypass and let avr do it
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Jul 17 2010, 07:51 PM
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Good to hear that
'No room adjustment or calibration is done for the test' . Bro, does that means both subs are being put at different location and plug in w/o any calibration via avr? |
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Jul 18 2010, 10:27 PM
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Finally hooked up a PC13-Ultra to partner the resident PB13-Ultra yesterday. Result is not as what I hope for. There is a certain cancellation happening as well as sounds muddy
Did the calibration via AS-EQ1 this morning. 1 input and 2 sub outputs. As usual, EQ1 will get the desired dB from one of the front channels. Then, set the sub A's gain level to match it and continue by Sub B. After that, it's measuring process. The initial subwoofers matching is important. Sweep tone to the front first, followed by Sub A and then Sub B. After that both sub together. Then, continued to do the rest of position. This time the sweep tone for the sub only 1 time (since it is being 'integrated' at position 1) for the rest of the positions. AS-EQ1 can do up to 32 positions. Once it was done, I have to do channel level check again to get 75dB across all channels. it's time for some movies' test scenes. Tested Ip Man 2, TS, DTG and DF & Friends. In ULF heavy scene such as DTG's restaurant fight, TS' 7 Eleven, Kung Fu Panda, TDK as well as DH4.0 . My customers were |
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Jul 18 2010, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 18 2010, 10:41 PM) I can imagine the impact. Those elite audiophile uncles were also 'caught off guard' when I called them to come over and audition. They knew that I will set it up but never expected it to be so good. They are itching all over. It is indeed comforting to know that a single PB13-Ultra fares better than a renowned US subwoofer that has won many awards previously. They all agreed that the PB13-Ultra is indeed very good in performance and surprisingly clean (you would have know in BTW, checked out the PB-12NSD today. Really powerful that beast...Can only imagine the PB-13U. Lower and bigger. The Wilson Audio uncle is definitely getting one The PB12-NSD is powerful indeed. If I must quote, there isn't any sub RM4.5K sub in the market that can match its ability to dig to 20Hz. Not even a renowned US 15" ported sub or even the higher range sealed sub that cost abt RM5K can do this feat as both would have roll-off at about 30Hz or so. Do you notice how clean and well controlled the PB12-NSD is? |
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