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 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL, VERSION 2

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justanovice
post Sep 16 2011, 09:02 PM

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Reviving a quiet thread. Hit my entry point alert yesterday. Any other takers?
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post Sep 19 2011, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(justanovice @ Sep 16 2011, 09:02 PM)
Reviving a quiet thread. Hit my entry point alert yesterday. Any other takers?
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I'm thinking of averaging down my price. My entry price was at 2.51, can you imagine the paper loss I have now doh.gif
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post Sep 19 2011, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Sep 19 2011, 08:48 AM)
I'm thinking of averaging down my price. My entry price was at 2.51, can you imagine the paper loss I have now doh.gif
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Gosh, i understand coz i also got big losses before.
Good luck on this counter, i am eyeing it too smile.gif
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post Sep 19 2011, 04:32 PM

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Divvy yield stands at 5.x% currently.

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BrendaChee
post Sep 19 2011, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Sep 19 2011, 08:48 AM)
I'm thinking of averaging down my price. My entry price was at 2.51, can you imagine the paper loss I have now doh.gif
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Andrew, you are not alone. My entry price is 2.05 , and i am thinking to average down also. Just don't know what price is the right price. My MBSB worst, entry price is 1.78 but only 1.38 now...don't know what to do.
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Sep 19 2011, 06:17 PM)
Andrew, you are not alone. My entry price is 2.05 , and i am thinking to average down also. Just don't know what price is the right price. My MBSB worst, entry price is 1.78 but only 1.38 now...don't know what to do.
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I'm not familiar with MBSB bro. As for YTLPOWR, kindly refer to my comments below. Hope it helps smile.gif

QUOTE(justanovice @ Sep 23 2011, 10:09 AM)
Went fpr breakfast and more stocks pull back ald.. Need to aim properly :/

I know u are holder of ytlp, intend to go in at 1.75 and below. Are u planning yo avg down soon?
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YTLPOWR is still considered to be defensive. Quarter report showed increased in revenue but profit declined 40 % due to the YES 4G telco division draining out cash for expansion. At the current price, Dividend yield stand at 4 %.

I'm not planning to go in at 1.7x yet, but I will definitely when it hit 1.6x. At the current market sentiment, YTLPOWR is not attractive yet for me to average down as the upside is very limited. All I can say is that, the price will conitnue to hover between the region of 1.7x to 1.8x. As for me now, I' rather invest my money on elsewhere as there are better attractive stocks out there.

Oh ya, by the way, my initial buying of YTLPOWR is a long term investment, with the hope and gamble that their 4g will be doing well. Cheers. smile.gif

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post Sep 23 2011, 08:09 PM

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last min, ytlp with 1.74....

how come with the gap from 1.77 - 1.74 ?

anyone knows why ?

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post Sep 24 2011, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Sep 23 2011, 10:58 AM)
I'm not familiar with MBSB bro. As for YTLPOWR, kindly refer to my comments below. Hope it helps smile.gif
YTLPOWR is still considered to be defensive. Quarter report showed increased in revenue but profit declined 40 % due to the YES 4G telco division draining out cash for expansion. At the current price, Dividend yield stand at 4 %.

I'm not planning to go in at 1.7x yet, but I will definitely when it hit 1.6x. At the current market sentiment, YTLPOWR is not attractive yet for me to average down as the upside is very limited. All I can say is that, the price will conitnue to hover between the region of 1.7x to 1.8x. As for me now,  I' rather invest my money on elsewhere as there are better attractive stocks out there.

Oh ya, by the way, my initial buying of YTLPOWR is a long term investment, with the hope and gamble that their 4g will be doing well. Cheers. smile.gif
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Dividend for FY2010 is 9.38 cents (3.755 + 1.875 + 1.875 + 1.875). At share price of RM1.74, dividend yield is at 5.39%.

It seems like the dividend is going to be flat at 1.875 cents.

Assuming (4 x 1.875 cents = 7.5 cents), to be at 5.4% dividend yield, the share price is gonna be at RM1.40. brows.gif Perhaps, that is why it is being trash down as the dividend is diminishing. At RM1.60, the estimated dividend is at 4.7%. Still better than CD, minus the downside risk.

5-year chart of YTLP. Lowest seems to be at RM1.60. We are very near to that isn't it.

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post Sep 24 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(staind @ Sep 24 2011, 10:10 AM)
Dividend for FY2010 is 9.38 cents (3.755 + 1.875 + 1.875 + 1.875). At share price of RM1.74, dividend yield is at 5.39%.

It seems like the dividend is going to be flat at 1.875 cents.

Assuming (4 x 1.875 cents = 7.5 cents), to be at 5.4% dividend yield, the share price is gonna be at RM1.40.  brows.gif Perhaps, that is why it is being trash down as the dividend is diminishing. At RM1.60, the estimated dividend is at 4.7%. Still better than CD, minus the downside risk.

5-year chart of YTLP. Lowest seems to be at RM1.60. We are very near to that isn't it.

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Are you sure? I thought I remember YTLPWR trading at around RM1.20 during the last financial crisis.
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post Sep 24 2011, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 24 2011, 10:33 AM)
Are you sure? I thought I remember YTLPWR trading at around RM1.20 during the last financial crisis.
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Maybe during 97-98 financial crisis.. I don't have the 10-year chart. 2008 -2009 din't go that low.


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post Sep 24 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(staind @ Sep 24 2011, 10:35 AM)
Maybe during 97-98 financial crisis.. I don't have the 10-year chart. 2008 -2009 din't go that low.
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No. I meant the 2008/2009 crisis. I remember the price going down to as low as RM1.20. Then the price surged to RM1.70/RM1.90 after the annoucement of Power Seraya.
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post Sep 24 2011, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 24 2011, 12:17 PM)
No. I meant the 2008/2009 crisis. I remember the price going down to as low as RM1.20. Then the price surged to RM1.70/RM1.90 after the annoucement of Power Seraya.
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The chart say otherwise isn't it? Anyway, I can't find record of the low price of 1.20. Perhaps, anyone can counter check?

Edited: Found this. Lowest was RM1.3X. There is difference between tradesignum and yahoo with bloomberg . I am not sure which is correct.

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post Sep 24 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(staind @ Sep 24 2011, 04:49 PM)
The chart say otherwise isn't it? Anyway, I can't find record of the low price of 1.20. Perhaps, anyone can counter check?

Edited: Found this. Lowest was RM1.3X. There is difference between tradesignum and yahoo with bloomberg . I am not sure which is correct.

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I remember the lowest was 1.6+...I bought at 1.80 last time biggrin.gif

Still holding mine tightly without selling off any YTLPs. - 170,000 shares

Been buying some YTLCORP recently.
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post Sep 24 2011, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:01 PM)
I remember the lowest was 1.6+...I bought at 1.80 last time biggrin.gif

Still holding mine tightly without selling off any YTLPs. - 170,000 shares 

Been buying some YTLCORP recently.
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Thanks for clarification.you sure holding lots of YTLP.
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post Sep 25 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:01 PM)
I remember the lowest was 1.6+...I bought at 1.80 last time biggrin.gif

Still holding mine tightly without selling off any YTLPs. - 170,000 shares 

Been buying some YTLCORP recently.
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I see. Then I must have mixed up the pricing of YTLP with another stock.


Added on September 25, 2011, 3:34 pmBy the way, how's the wimax doing for YTLP?

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post Sep 25 2011, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 25 2011, 11:29 AM)
I see. Then I must have mixed up the pricing of YTLP with another stock.


Added on September 25, 2011, 3:34 pmBy the way, how's the wimax doing for YTLP?
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Wimax cannot turnaround in short period. Will tooks at least few years.

However, i am anticipating on the outcome of Indonesia new coal plant bid for YTLP.
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post Sep 25 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 25 2011, 09:16 PM)
Wimax cannot turnaround in short period. Will tooks at least few years.

However, i am anticipating on the outcome of Indonesia new coal plant bid for YTLP.
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Hi, do you intend to average YTLP based on current market sentiment? I'm thinking if it falls to 1.6 or lower, maybe I can start to buy back.
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post Sep 25 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 25 2011, 10:27 PM)
Hi, do you intend to average YTLP based on current market sentiment? I'm thinking if it falls to 1.6 or lower, maybe I can start to buy back.
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Nope. Will buy more YTL CORP instead as i have enuff YTLP. YTLCORP share prices follow YTLP most of the time as 75% of its earnings contributed by YTLP.

Reasons for buying YTLCORP - It is more diversified and provides higher growth track record compare with YTLP.


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post Sep 25 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 25 2011, 09:51 PM)
Nope. Will buy more YTL CORP instead as i have enuff YTLP. YTLCORP share prices follow YTLP most of the time as 75% of its earnings contributed by YTLP.

Reasons for buying YTLCORP - It is more diversified and provides higher growth track record compare with YTLP.
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Why not Arreit since YTLP/YTL div is sux at the moment? YTLCRAP, i think I will only consider if it falls near to RM1. Else, I still view it as expensive
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 25 2011, 11:15 PM)
Why not Arreit since YTLP/YTL div is sux at the moment? YTLCRAP, i think I will only consider if it falls near to RM1. Else, I still view it as expensive
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Reits? Er.....personal view only ya.

I try not to buy reits even though dividend looks good. But personally i feel not safe of putting my money into reits. Reasons behind:

1. Reits only invest in Malaysia which is expose to single country risk.

2. Property bubble due to low interest rates.

Etc ...

I know ytlp and ytlcorp dividend sux.... However, as long as the company growth are sustainable then shouldn't be any problem.

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But YTLP invested in both Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia) and Europe (England) & even jordan oil shale..etc.





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