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 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL, VERSION 2

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post Jul 23 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 20 2011, 04:15 PM)
EPF actively disposing everyday 1-2 million shares sold for 2 weeks already.  sweat.gif No one can go against EPF selling pressure.....
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EPF have finally stopped disposing and have acquired about 200,000 shares at 2.07, hopefully won't continue to dispose again. sweat.gif EPF is behaving like a shark....
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post Jul 25 2011, 04:37 PM

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Sifu sifu, how did you check whom is buying..? Can OSK platform do that..? hmm.gif

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post Jul 25 2011, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(lousai @ Jul 25 2011, 04:37 PM)
Sifu sifu, how did you check whom is buying..? Can OSK platform do that..? hmm.gif
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Check Bursa website.
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post Jul 25 2011, 05:11 PM

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Any idea why share price falling? Is it because TNB lost 400M recently due to gas supply issue and they assume YTL will have same problem? That would be an interesting question, but even if its true, the Malaysian IPP is about 15% of YTL revenue, I think. If the gas issue does not effect YTL, then TNB certainly has a lot to answer to.
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post Jul 28 2011, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(lousai @ Jul 25 2011, 04:37 PM)
Sifu sifu, how did you check whom is buying..? Can OSK platform do that..? hmm.gif
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Large institutional buying/selling are also reported in The Star and NST Business Times (weekend) and also in The Edge Magazine.
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(denzuke76 @ Jul 28 2011, 02:48 AM)
Large institutional buying/selling are also reported in The Star and NST Business Times (weekend) and also in The Edge Magazine.
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Yeap, I got it alreay. Thx..


Added on July 29, 2011, 2:54 pm
QUOTE(lousai @ Jul 28 2011, 12:12 PM)
Yeap, I got it alreay. Thx..
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Big Shark (EPF) is dumping lots units..

25/07/2011 169,000
22/07/2011 700,000

+ sentiment from US...Is this Cheap Sales... hmm.gif

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post Jul 29 2011, 04:41 PM

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1.95...
3.75+1.88+1.88+1.88 ...
0.0939/1.95 = 4.8%


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post Jul 29 2011, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jul 23 2011, 09:30 AM)
i should enter at current price  sad.gif even lower

My next ENTRY target price RM 2.00  tongue.gif
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Oh, I think EPF dumped below 2 liao, but at least you made huge profits already. Wonder I should average down. Dividend seems not so attractive as yet.
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post Jul 29 2011, 05:52 PM

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i bought at RM 2.00 .... now at RM 1.95 ... sad.gif(
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post Jul 29 2011, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Jul 29 2011, 04:41 PM)
1.95...
3.75+1.88+1.88+1.88 ...
0.0939/1.95 = 4.8%
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Stay on target! Stay on target! Deathstar approaching... brows.gif brows.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 08:57 PM

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enter 1.98 today..abit too early xD expected to drop again coming mon? tongue.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 09:05 PM

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OMG, what is happening to YTL Power?
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post Jul 29 2011, 10:51 PM

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sweating. If look at historical chart, even long term holders since early 2009 is on the brink of losing money.
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post Jul 30 2011, 05:02 AM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Jul 29 2011, 04:41 PM)
1.95...
3.75+1.88+1.88+1.88 ...
0.0939/1.95 = 4.8%
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maybe it'll be 1.88 + 1.88 + 1.88 + 1.88 ... 0.0752/1.95 = 3.9%
The YTL people kept saying that the venture into Wimax will not affect the dividend payout. But now we know they were lying.
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post Jul 30 2011, 10:16 AM

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the selldown should be the "worry" over the upcoming power agreements review and speculation over reasons for cut in dividends. it's affecting the mothershare YTL also, i've never seen YTL valued so relatively cheaply in about 2 years.

but i think it should be a breeze through. Seraya's doing good, the singapore side is ok, wessex water turned out to be a good cash calf when the forex stabilised.

div yield, last financial year was 3.75 + 3.75 + 1.875 + 3.75 = 13.125 sen / 2.30 = about 5.7 %.

current 4-qtr trailing DY is 11.25 sen (3.75 + 3.75+ 1.875 + 1.875) / current price 1.95 = 5.7% . (what a surprise! tongue.gif)

for it to trade at 5.5% valuations, assuming next quarter another payout of 1.875 sen, total for year will be 9.375 sen. 9.375/0.055 = RM1.70 valuation based on dividend yield premium of 5.5%. if it were to pay 3.75 sen instead of 1.875 sen, then full year valuations will maintain at 1.95 based on 11.25 sen (instead of 9.375 sen) - and a dividend premium of 5.7%





that's my opinion.. hmm.gif

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post Jul 30 2011, 10:34 AM

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Rm1.70 is no good.
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post Jul 30 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jul 30 2011, 05:02 AM)
maybe it'll be 1.88 + 1.88 + 1.88 + 1.88 ... 0.0752/1.95 = 3.9%
The YTL people kept saying that the venture into Wimax will not affect the dividend payout. But now we know they were lying.
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hehe , 1.88 x 4 is no give face but good to take it as worst case scenario . biggrin.gif

nah i wont touch it . at least till IPP review and GE is over.
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post Jul 30 2011, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(staind @ Jul 30 2011, 10:34 AM)
Rm1.70 is no good.
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sounds bleak yeah.. but i leave the judgement to everyone.
PER at 1.70 will be 10.2 vs current PE around 11.2

and expected full-year ROE if im not mistaken, if we use EPS growth of 10.8% and extrapolate the current 3Q results and set it at 1343mil / 8157mil = a respectable 16.5% in my books.

regardless, i'll wait for the power agreements to pass before i decide, since it's quite a 'hot' issue.

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Jul 30 2011, 10:49 AM)
hehe , 1.88 x 4 is no give face but good to take it as worst case scenario .  biggrin.gif

nah i wont touch it . at least till IPP review and GE is over.
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Jul 30 2011, 10:57 AM)
sounds bleak yeah.. but i leave the judgement to everyone.
PER at 1.70 will be 10.2 vs current PE around 11.2

and expected full-year ROE if im not mistaken, if we use EPS growth of 10.8% and extrapolate the current 3Q results and set it at 1343mil / 8157mil = a respectable 16.5% in my books.

regardless, i'll wait for the power agreements to pass before i decide, since it's quite a 'hot' issue.
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I believe the margin from IPPs will be less profitable going forward. BN will cave in to public pressure. If Pakatan wins, then the IPPs can kiss goodbye.
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If YTLPower keep dropping like nobody business.. Might get replaced by BumiArmada in the KLCI later.. Lolz

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