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 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL, VERSION 2

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calmwater
post Mar 22 2010, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 20 2010, 10:54 PM)
Yup they will collect their return after X number of years. But normally when the bonds are dued don you discover that normally YTLPOWER will exchange the bonds with number of issued shares instead of paying back the amount being borrowed? Thats what i meant by they have to maintain good dividend else the issuer might not take up the offer.
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So maybe when the bonds are due the price may be pushed higher in order to pay fewer shares to the bond issuer. wink.gif

By the way, are you concerned by the falling pound and Sing dollar.

Live rates at 2010.03.21 21:53:03 UTC
1.00 GBP = 4.95143 MYR
United Kingdom Pounds Malaysia Ringgits
1 GBP = 4.95143 MYR 1 MYR = 0.201962 GBP

End of current quarter is a few days away and it is already down 10% from end of last quarter. shocking.gif

Sing dollar last quarter was at 1.00 SGD = 2.4401 MYR

Live rates at 2010.03.21 21:58:03 UTC
1.00 SGD = 2.36236 MYR
Singapore Dollars Malaysia Ringgits
1 SGD = 2.36236 MYR 1 MYR = 0.423306 SGD

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post Mar 22 2010, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(calmwater @ Mar 22 2010, 06:52 AM)
So maybe when the bonds are due the price may be pushed higher in order to pay fewer shares to the bond issuer.  wink.gif

By the way, are you concerned by the falling pound and Sing dollar.

Live rates at 2010.03.21 21:53:03 UTC
1.00 GBP = 4.95143 MYR
United Kingdom Pounds    Malaysia Ringgits 
1 GBP = 4.95143 MYR   1 MYR = 0.201962 GBP

End of current quarter is a few days away and it is already down 10% from end of last quarter. shocking.gif

Sing dollar last quarter was at 1.00 SGD = 2.4401 MYR

Live rates at 2010.03.21 21:58:03 UTC
1.00 SGD = 2.36236 MYR
Singapore Dollars    Malaysia Ringgits 
1 SGD = 2.36236 MYR   1 MYR = 0.423306 SGD
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Of course i have mentioned it before but i am also concerning on RM in future. Malaysia depends too much on oil money and our oil money will be getting lesser and lesser in future. However, i do worried on pound thats y i am neutral on YTLPOWER at the moment and did not top up since last year.

Finding other opportunities now. As long as their dividend still maintain i will only make further movement after they finalize on how they are going to use their 8 billion cash.

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post Mar 23 2010, 11:57 AM

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http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...wessex/Article/

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WESSEX Water Ltd is expected to start work on the ambitious project of rehabilitating the highly polluted Klang and Gombak Rivers in Selangor and treating the water to make it safe for drinking at the latest by early next year.  The RM15 billion project will span 15 years.  Wessex Water is a veteran in water treatment and sewerage services, and first made its name in southwestern England.  It made a successful joint bid with information technology (IT)-based property developer I-Berhad for a portion of the entire project and will be working in the lower reaches of the Klang River, between Puchong and Shah Alam. Two other successful bidders - TSS-Mako Engineering Sdn Bhd and GJA Engineering and Construction - will work in the upper reaches of both rivers.  Wessex Water managing director Gareth Jones said the company received a letter of appointment from the state government recently.  He said its portion of the project will cost between RM400 million and RM600 million, depending on where the state government wants to locate the water treatment plant, among other considerations.  Wessex Water will use methods similar to those it applied to projects in Argentina and Mexico where water from rivers was supplied for consumption after undergoing comprehensive treatment processes.  The company, headquartered in Bath, England, is a subsidiary of YTL Corp Bhd.  News of the successful bid came close on the heels of the YTL group's results for the six months ended December 31 2009. It saw pre-tax profit increase 20 per cent to RM1 billion on a 134 per cent jump in revenue to RM7.9 billion compared with the previous corresponding period.  Wessex Water partner I-Berhad, meanwhile, has been making significant progress in its flagship IT property venture, I-City. The 30ha RM2 billion project boasts of 20Mbps broadband speed, comprehensive fibre optic network and back-up power supply.


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post Mar 23 2010, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 23 2010, 11:57 AM)
What would be the estimate EPS contribution? thanks
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post Apr 1 2010, 01:36 AM

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recently the currency rate reli bad,both pound and sgd
no comment with this Q's result hope still can maintain 3.5sen(diluted eps)
if this year eps around 14-15sen
PE also around 15-16 already
so i think that the share price will still maintain 2.19 +/-


oh ya, juz now i check at klse, y got a WR ar?
wat lai de? reli dunno when got this thing de~haha

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post Apr 1 2010, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(ngwei2402 @ Apr 1 2010, 02:36 AM)
recently the currency rate reli bad,both pound and sgd
no comment with this Q's result hope still can maintain 3.5sen(diluted eps)
if this year eps around 14-15sen
PE also around 15-16 already
so i think that the share price will still maintain 2.19 +/-
oh ya, juz now i check at klse, y got a WR ar?
wat lai de? reli dunno when got this thing de~haha
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Wow both Pound Sterling and Sing dollar have been going down quite a lot. Did not notice that nod.gif There are only WA and WB.

Frankly speaking i almost forgot about this counter as i treated it as FD only tongue.gif

By the way yesterday is the payment date of 7.5% dividend. Should be able to receive it within these two weeks (i hope) biggrin.gif

I can say YTL POWER at current price is not cheap but it is almost bottom unless pound really depreciate further to maybe 4.50 below. Where as for Sing dollar don need to worry so much as i expect it is only short term down trend will go up very soon especially another casino are opening soon on coming april hence it will boost up sing dollar i believe. The other thing will be tax impose by the government else you don really need to care much. It is some sort of wasting time monitor its share price. yawn.gif

My ABP is around RM 2.00 wink.gif

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post Apr 1 2010, 01:30 PM

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I think YTL-Power can easily hit 3.00 with the reason it is cash rich and also they are launching the new Wimax service.
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post Apr 1 2010, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(MoneyQueen @ Apr 1 2010, 02:30 PM)
I think YTL-Power can easily hit 3.00 with the reason it is cash rich and also they are launching the new Wimax service.
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If you say that they are cash rich i would like to remind you that their debt to equity ratio is almost 3.....


Wimax contribution will not be significant to the group overall earnings. Its one of the reasons that stop me from buying more YTLPOWER .....

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post Apr 1 2010, 02:42 PM

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ya, it's debt rich~ not cash rich~
go n count how many digits can scare u gao gao~haha~
and the wimax i dont think can contribute to profit also
at least not for short term.some more need more investement on it

TM also launch the new unifi also
partner with them, they also got many thing to fight with u
not include other competitor
anyway, i still waiting how ytl will run the wimax~

consider the eps cannot go up also
i wont add anymore share on it, juz keep until it digest seraya
unless it want to swallow another big company~
if market downturn cum before that, i also will sell it off 1st
later grab it again~
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post Apr 1 2010, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 1 2010, 02:07 PM)
If you say that they are cash rich i would like to remind you that their debt to equity ratio is almost 3.....
Wimax contribution will not be significant to the group overall earnings. Its one of the reasons that stop me from buying more YTLPOWER .....
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You are correct if you want to see in that way. In fact, they still have RM 8billion cash in hand as at last 31 December 2009, and it is increasing. So it does provide the company a strong position to acquire any business.

Besides, many of its debts are long term bond. Although the debt to equity ration is almost 3.... the company has no problem to repay the debts with the current cash flow position.

No wrong or right here... just share opinion only... smile.gif
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post Apr 2 2010, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(MoneyQueen @ Apr 1 2010, 03:51 PM)
You are correct if you want to see in that way. In fact, they still have RM 8billion cash in hand as at last 31 December 2009, and it is increasing. So it does provide the company a strong position to acquire any business.

Besides, many of its debts are long term bond. Although the debt to equity ration is almost 3.... the company has no problem to repay the debts with the current cash flow position.

No wrong or right here... just share opinion only...  smile.gif
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Agree with you lady... nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif
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post Apr 2 2010, 09:20 AM

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It's under YTL Comm, the new subsidiary right? Mobile BB and voice are not nascent industries, there are tons of competition hmm.gif I don't know how they compete with even green packet?

Still, better divs than Tenaga in energy sector, can't argue with that laugh.gif
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P1? juz beat them with faster and stabler newtowrk access and wider network coverage~ this is all we need a a wireless user mah~
the preparation took so long time...one Q finished...
hope the outcome not dissapoint us
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post Apr 3 2010, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(ngwei2402 @ Apr 3 2010, 10:31 AM)
P1? juz beat them with faster and stabler newtowrk access and wider network coverage~ this is all we need a a wireless user mah~
the preparation took so long time...one Q finished...
hope the outcome not dissapoint us
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For me YTLPOWER should never ever involve in WIMAX in the first place. wink.gif
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post Apr 3 2010, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(MoneyQueen @ Apr 1 2010, 01:30 PM)
I think YTL-Power can easily hit 3.00 with the reason it is cash rich and also they are launching the new Wimax service.
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YTLpower doesn't involve directly in Wimax.

Also I don't think Wimax is a profitable business. Any company that success to make a breakeven point in Wimax business in Malaysia is considered a success already, not yet talking about profit.

Can see from recent P1's financial result recently.

Too many competition and too small market locally for broadband providers. The problem is to launch a broadband nationwide, it is a capital intensive project while profitability wise is somehow difficult to project, as consumer only demand for lower monthly charge and faster broadband speed.
And with Unifi come into market, it make Wimax even has more competition.

But this is definitely good for consumer.
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post Apr 3 2010, 01:03 PM

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Recently I have read two research paper from HwangDBC and ECMLibra post PM's NEM announcement. The two reports gave the power sector overweight ratings with ECMLib giving YTLPWR a buy call with 12 mth TP of RM 2.50.

I've checked the current price is at 60D MA and current DY is at 5.90%.

To me this is a profitable buy. Bought 3500 units yesterday at RM 2.20

Xuzen

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juz received dividends....this counter is so stable it's getting a bit boring laugh.gif came back from hols, still the same price range....reach 2.50? long way to go lah...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 3 2010, 01:59 PM)
YTLpower doesn't involve directly in Wimax.

Also I don't think Wimax is a profitable business. Any company that success to make a breakeven point in Wimax business in Malaysia is considered a success already, not yet talking about profit.

Can see from recent P1's financial result recently. 

Too many competition and too small market locally for broadband providers. The problem is to launch a broadband nationwide, it is a capital intensive project while profitability wise is somehow difficult to project, as consumer only demand for lower monthly charge and faster broadband speed.
And with Unifi come into market, it make Wimax even has more competition.

But this is definitely good for consumer.
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Yup. Actually i am quite sure that YTLPOWER involve in wimax just for the sake of trying to avoid kena penalty by the government.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 3 2010, 07:41 PM)
Yup. Actually i am quite sure that YTLPOWER involve in wimax just for the sake of trying to avoid kena penalty by the government.
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Hope U R rite. Let's recap the broadband market players
1. Inccumbent Telco (3G) - Maxis, DiGi, Celcom
~ All heavily invested in 3G network infra already & going to invest another 2~3billion in next 2/3years.
2. TM (UniFi) - lots & lots of billions
3. P1, Redtone, AsiaJaya (Wimax) - P1 invested at least 500mil & is struggle to even breakeven. The other 2 palyers most propbably can't survive & only waiting to sell their Wimax license.
4. U Mobile (3G) - STT/Starthub recently invested for RM1billion 33%. not sure what they going to do, hope not go into the broadband war & add into the mess.

Now they are already 8 of them, so much billions been invested & no light yet at the end of tunnel to recoup the investement. Worst, more billions is needed to upgrade infra, just to catch-up with the escalating appetitie of consumers on badnwidth hungry apps, DVD downlaod, VoD, IPTV, VoIP ... & etc

Do we need a 9th new entrant YTL comm (Wimax)? Its just too obvious! isn't it?



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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Apr 4 2010, 12:09 PM)
Hope U R rite.  Let's recap the broadband market players
1. Inccumbent Telco (3G) - Maxis, DiGi, Celcom
~ All heavily invested in 3G network infra already & going to invest another 2~3billion in next 2/3years.
2. TM (UniFi) - lots & lots of billions
3. P1, Redtone, AsiaJaya (Wimax) - P1 invested at least 500mil & is struggle to even breakeven. The other 2 palyers most propbably can't survive & only waiting to sell their Wimax license.
4. U Mobile (3G) - STT/Starthub recently invested for RM1billion 33%. not sure what they going to do, hope not go into the broadband war & add into the mess.

Now they are already 8 of them, so much billions been invested & no light yet at the end of tunnel to recoup the investement. Worst, more billions is needed to upgrade infra, just to catch-up with the escalating appetitie of consumers on badnwidth hungry apps, DVD downlaod, VoD, IPTV, VoIP ... & etc

Do we need a 9th new entrant YTL comm (Wimax)?  Its just too obvious! isn't it?
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YTL comm is not new entrant, the spectrum is awarded together with the rest of the WiMAX players (P1, Redtone, etc). Just that YTL comm adopt a different strategy, where they go for nation wide and complete (voice + data + device) rolled out as mentioned by Francis. As the roll out strategy is deffering as compare to the MCMC requirement, there is some penalty involved as fail to meet the coverage date-line, anyway YTL is appealing to MCMC for this, but dun know wat is the outcome.

The spectrum is awarded to YTL-e but the operating entity is under YTLPOWR, the reason is very easy to see why, as most of YTL group cash is within YTLPOWR.

Industry and the investing community is waiting eagerly to see YTL Wimax rolled out. I am really sceptical about YTL Wimax business model, that's y i stop topping up YTLPOWR since last year and adopt a wait and see strategy.

I hope Francis will prove he is right again this time as in his decision to rope in Wessex water rather than end up like YTL group foray into glove business many years back.



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