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 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL, VERSION 2

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post Apr 3 2010, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(MoneyQueen @ Apr 1 2010, 01:30 PM)
I think YTL-Power can easily hit 3.00 with the reason it is cash rich and also they are launching the new Wimax service.
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YTLpower doesn't involve directly in Wimax.

Also I don't think Wimax is a profitable business. Any company that success to make a breakeven point in Wimax business in Malaysia is considered a success already, not yet talking about profit.

Can see from recent P1's financial result recently.

Too many competition and too small market locally for broadband providers. The problem is to launch a broadband nationwide, it is a capital intensive project while profitability wise is somehow difficult to project, as consumer only demand for lower monthly charge and faster broadband speed.
And with Unifi come into market, it make Wimax even has more competition.

But this is definitely good for consumer.
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post Apr 6 2010, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(WORLD4G @ Apr 5 2010, 09:32 AM)
hehe.... who knows??? hehe.... maybe they really use one of the major's facility??? hehe... I think they can get very high profit although they use other's facility....  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Actually use or rent other facilities to run could be more profitable to run the business.

It is not about who is bigger or not.

The market for broadband in not large in Malaysia which is the major issue.
And with monthly charges of more than RM100, people already complained it is expensive.

So your revenue is actually stuck around RM100 per user, while capital expenditure and cost will only go higher and higher.
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post Jun 26 2010, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 24 2010, 04:36 PM)

Added on June 25, 2010, 11:01 amGuys,
Don't know that whether you guys know about the depreciation of NAV of ytlpower shares. The NAV for ytlpower has come down from RM 2.XX during 2002 to current RM 1.01.

i understand that this is due to some write-off and maybe asset value depreciation. But i believe if a company is making enuff $$ then the cash return should be considered as an asset.

So, i personally opine that the depreciation of YTLPOWER NAV as some sort of too drastic..... What do you think>???
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I believe you get the wrong info.

If not mistaken, YTLpower underwent 1:1 bonus issue before, so you see NAV down form Rm2.xx to now RM1.xx

NAV will only go down if company report a loss in their P&L.

Depreciation will eat into your profit one aka, the profit reported already taking in account of depreciation issue. It is impossible to see company report profit every year and NAV goes down (if there is no dilution of share issue occur or bonus issue etc).

Profit = Sales - cost - depreciation - expenses - any write-off
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post Jun 30 2010, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Jun 30 2010, 08:16 PM)
Darkknight, cheeroy is half right. YTLPOWER went through a share split on 28/06/2004, splitting their RM1 par to RM0.50 shares.
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Thanks for the correction. smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2010, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ost1007 @ Nov 20 2010, 03:08 PM)
After EPF stopped selling, YTLPower may boost up to certain level. Just matter of time.

How far it would go? 3, 4 or 5? Depend on the coming report and response of Recent WIMAX product launched. smile.gif
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Wimax is not going to contribute significant to the group profit.

In fact, for short term wise, it could be a burden.
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post Nov 20 2010, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Nov 20 2010, 03:46 PM)
At the rate the consumer encounter so much problem i think this is become like P1 problem!
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I just google about YES.

The webpage said No to me, cannot access into their website. laugh.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Aug 11 2011, 03:57 PM)
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YTLPOwer no longer a safe haven dividend stock. But I buy this stock with a forecast that YES will do well for the coming future. Time well tell. Good luck to all of us the YTLPOWER holders.
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As much as I give thumb up for YES service,
I doubt any wireless BB for near future can even balance the book.
Draining less cash already good enough.

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post Sep 27 2011, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 26 2011, 08:53 PM)
YTLP no light?

3. Wimax
hmm.gif This one i am sceptical. But chances are there.

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3. As much as I applauded the YES service provided.
There is no light (yet) for wireless BB across at least for near term.
Ability to balance the book and with little cash drain, is already a big achievement.
Chance to make profit? highly doubt so for near term or even a few year down the road.
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post Nov 22 2011, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2011, 10:05 AM)
So far YTLPWR have spent around 300 million to set up the YES network and is expect to spend more. I wonder why they don;t just buy out Greenpacket, which is only worth ~500 million now. You get the subscribers, get rid of competition and all the infrastructure as they offer 4G as well....  hmm.gif. They should seriously consider that as a good bargain, rather than set up their own network.. and they have cash to do it (YTLPOWR currently holding ~7 billion in cash).
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The calculation is not like that.
Even you bought over P1, you still need capex to expand and upgrading across.
It is not the like you bought rival company, then you don't need to spend on capex anymore.
P1 coverage is not nationwide across as well. Also P1 also not profitable as well until now.
YES currently may has better coverage in certain urban and near highway area.


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post Nov 22 2011, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Nov 22 2011, 10:31 PM)
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So YTLpower is still relying on YES 4G to gain more profit ?

But honestly, YTL loss RM94 millions is just a small cash for them to invest in the market..

Never used YES 4G before.. But they are hiring alot of peoples to work for them...  icon_rolleyes.gif

For long term, it is still worth to hold.. As the previous record already showed that they can survive in all types of market...

Worry not my friend, their management is good enough to trust...  laugh.gif

p/s: their buy back power is strong too ..  tongue.gif
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I give thumb up for the service provided, >5mbps and line pretty consistent, can get 8-9mbps if signal strong and little congestion.
The only downside is that you cannot use totally if run out of quota.

For wireless BB, this is tough business and massive capex needed. As population is not high enough and BB penentration won't be too high as well, You need 300-500k users to breakeven, how much the population is? if minus out child, old man folks that never online one etc. Somemore you have 3-4 major competitors + HSBB (Unifi).

Don't expect wireless BB to be making tons of profit in near term, if anyone can balance the book, it is good enough already.


Added on November 22, 2011, 11:43 pmWireless BB is more like another division, and the major business of YTLpower still about power generation,

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 22 2011, 11:43 PM

 

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