Don't you think TM is too much by throttling YouTube connections ?
I mean , YouTube is an awesome site for sharing video's and it's gaining popularity since the day that site was launched.
Aren't we supposed to access these popular sites with ease ? Why cap it at 20KB/sec ? Even direct downloading their videos never pass 35KB/sec.
From what I see now they're like limiting our 'internet freedom' when they throttle the connection.
I'm not gonna mention RS or MU because when you normnally access those sites, you're probably doing *something*
But YouTube is TOTALLY legal to use.
How can they throttle our connection to YouTube ? The only problem we have now is we do not have enough proof to state that TM is actually throttling connections to YouTube.


If some forumers can gather some proofs, we can send them all to CFM , SKMM , MCMC etc.

TM is main ISP in m'sia, packages is cheaper compare to others even their service are not so good. some more not much other competition on ISP compare to other company.

actually utube runs perfectly SLOW on my firefox3 but seemingly runs better on chrome.and i completely agree with u that they have capped the connection speed these past few days...

in msia there is NO internet freedom...

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 09:19 PM

Yes, TM is the main ISP in Malaysia, and that's the only not-so-but-kinda-big problem why our internet sucks comparing to some of our neighbouring country.

1Mbps connection. Youtube loads 8-20KBps

We need proof that TM is throttling the connection and I will send them to the authorities.

maybe u the unlucky who got capped.. i direct get 200 kb/s..

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 14 2017, 09:19 PM

What's your IP range ?

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Added on December 26, 2009, 5:13 pmBut what happen if they give lame excuses like "your PC is infected with virus" , "there's something wrong with our undersea connection, maybe eaten by sharks".
I need more... Solid proof that they can't just give those lame excuses.
I don't have the ability to get the proof so I come here and ask for help and cooperation.

This post has been edited by fabianz03: Dec 26 2009, 05:13 PM

this all happen because malaysian people keep voting for the same gov for over 50 years... tmnet dont have money to buy extra bandwidth because of corruption and monopoly... all the money went to sumone pocket to go shopping in italy with his family...

1. Tell them your friend using P1, Celcom, Digi, Maxis, Jaring can stream youtube no problem and download from rapidshare at 100kBps. They will tell you all kinds of BS excuse.

2. Insist that they fix it for you as this is a TM Net streamyx problem. Refer to 1.

So basically there's no solution to this problem ?

Correction.

1. Jaring can NO longer stream Youtube without interruption like it used to the last time.It's just as bad or worst than Streamyx during peak hours now.
They are now having more periodic outages than Streamyx which occurs at least ocne or twice weekly without giving any proper notice.

I'm not sure if this is the dirty work of TM sabotaging their competitors on their fixed lines or it's Jaring's own fault ever since they went and integrate their equipment into TM's own IPCore.
However, I'm too tired to call up and report this every week especially when I get home from work.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 26 2009, 06:12 PM

How to get proof??
Maybe youtube can do something, since an isp is throttling their site.

The video are not same mirror and some of it localize, thats why you didn't slow...

fabianz03, can you elaborate more which video you are watching slow...

Almost every video I try to watch.
Some videos that are related to politics are even worst, maybe I'm mindset.

after throttling YouTube..
they will throttling what?
huhuhu..
malaysia2

Current solution? Switch ISP or pay additional fees for a VPN or a premium proxy.

Malaysia government love to compare oil prices with other country but never internet and car prices.

The funny thing is that we got broadband first before Finland but now Finland has at least 22 mbps as average.

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploa...10/netspeed.gif

no problem for me with jaring connection.

my 4mbps more worse now..... 10kB/s in utube.
while Jaring 100kB/s sometime. and usually loading in full speed.

Just now my connection is off about 2 hours,any Jaring user occur this problem?
It usually happens randomly at least once or twice per month

This post has been edited by x10amin: Dec 26 2009, 07:02 PM

so lucky. My area no jaring.

And p1 is congested in your area?

And the price per 1Mbps is USD$2.77 in Finland.
Which is RM9.50249 or RM9.50 when converted to the Malaysian Ringgit.

Sad, sad.

Yes, you noticed that too?

It's(the random downtimes/outages) getting very frequent now.
My place here happens like once a week on weekday nights around 7-8pm for a few hours.

It can't be any upgrades because what kind of upgrade happens every week?
TM is playing with their links. It was nothing like this the last time.

Whenever I manage to call Jaring up and asked whether there's any scheduled maintenance, they do not have any knowledge of it. This gives the impression that the network operator of the fixed line network (TM Wholesale/TMnet) is behind this.
Maybe they are unplugging their cables from time to time without telling Jaring.

I wish Jaring could provide a symmetrical 2mbps service like the SOHO plan they have in Kota Bahru, Kelantan bypassing TM's copper network.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 26 2009, 07:16 PM

Different from you,for me even TMNut's Streamyx is out
The error code I will get is either is 815 or sth with 7XX,not really remember

Anyway you have this problem or not?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=30798640

This post has been edited by x10amin: Dec 26 2009, 07:18 PM

Error 815 has something to do with the exchange side equipment.
Like I said, these downtimes are even not aware by Jaring when you call them up. TM can be playing this behind their back.

I was hoping also that they provide 2mbps FLite Wired ADSL. Why couldn't Jaring offer this when TM can uncap lines to over 4mbps?

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Added on December 26, 2009, 7:23 pmI've since forgotten about Youtube nowadays since it's already the same like TM the last time.

My impression of Jaring Wired now is none other than a rebranded Streamyx.
Same old slow content streaming, high pings, heavy peak hours and overpriced. Contract is now over and they are charging RM79 now for 1mbps.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 26 2009, 07:23 PM

I recently upgraded to 2Mb due to persistent breakdown of the internet in the past 2 months. And this is what I get after the upgrade: 7.4 KB/sec. Well, at least the internet hasn't disconnected today and left me dangling for 2-6 days like past few weeks.

Mine is still not that bad,I still can have speed on youtube.

Uh, gentlements, sorry to interrupt but this thread is about gathering proof of TM throttling YouTube connections.

I don't think it's possible especially if you try streaming Youtube at busy hours like 8-11pm nights and weekends.

I think nothing wrong with TM u should FAKAP other ISP who enforced limitation on data transfer per month

Now that's kinda rude.
Maybe you don't use YouTube that oftenly. I use it almost everyday...
And since the first day it started slowing down, I went haywire.

try to use google dns 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
i use quite fast for loading

I'm actually using Google's DNS now.
Still slow.

Please complain to CFM, seems you have been limit by TM Net, maybe they watch your bandwidth usage...

Yup, what else to say, we "Malaysian people" already rise up the matter, but still, they always compare with others, why don't just improve and follow what peoples needs. For what being Malaysia maju by 2020, if like this...

totally agree with you dude.
TM sucks! >.<

Nope, I still can direct download at full speed, but only for YouTube, it gets ridiculously slow.

Can you show your bandwidth graph comparing direct download vs youtube bandwidth... Full speed, mind to elaborate which package... and actual speed?

I'm not really free now, but I can provide you some info.

Direct download normally spins between 90KB/sec to 109KB/sec. (full speed for me)
YouTube spins between 176Kbps to 365Kbps (from what I see in the bandwidth graph)

1Mbps package, registered on 2007, Merdeka package.
Actual speed - 0.88Mbps, never pass that speed because port is capped dead on 1024Kbps.

You just check if other ppl everywhere in malaysia also slow in youtube while faster in other website like thestar.com.my or other local. Or you want this kinda beyond normal user capability proof http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339772,00.asp, like maybe something as big as microsoft only can research on.

This post has been edited by Diiimn: Dec 26 2009, 09:25 PM

Hahaha,they overprice their product .About 10 months ago i saw a advertisement in u.s(if not mistaken)of an isp offering 60MB unlimited and unmetered bandwith with USD160/month.Sad with Malaysia.

last time 4Mbps user stream utube was fast... but after that.... Slow like snail.

Seems normal... mind to elaborate your network and OS and browser setting. Have you made any changes (Manual configurations perhaps)?


What about this... (Find it via your router root admin access)

Network setting - everything normal, using Google's DNS.
OS - Win7 Build 7600
No changes were made.

Downstream Margin: 31
Upstream Margin: 20
Downstream Line Attenuation: 34
Upstream Line Attenuation: 12

My line is perfectly fine but only slow for YouTube.


This post has been edited by fabianz03: Dec 26 2009, 09:26 PM

First it was Rapidshare. Now it's Youtube. I noticed the drag with YouTube in the couple days before Christmas, guess I'm not alone. My friend connection is even worse - he can't even open GameTracker anymore. Monopoly is very bad for the consumer. In some area in Sabah, there's even the "catuan tenaga" thing going on whereby there will be no electricity for an hour or two, pretty consistent I noticed prior 25 December.

<Tumpang bebenang>Anyhow I've tried out the "Pathload2" as linked by Diiimn, and I got something like the pasted below - FYI my package is the typical 1MB RM88 per month with modem. No modification whatsoever - install plug and use. </Habis Tumpang>

<paste>
Click "Start New Measurement" to run Pathload2.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Connected to MLab Server: 38.102.0.87
Measuring Upstream Available Bandwidth
Measuring Downstream Available Bandwidth
Measurement completed.

Upstream Measurement (towards the Internet)
Available bandwidth is at most 0.44 (Mbps)
Measurement duration : 53.76 sec

Downstream Measurement (from the Internet)
Measurements terminated due to frequent context-switching at server.
Measurement duration : 20.06 sec

For more information about available bandwidth measurement,
please see: http://www.pathrate.org
</paste>

Seems normal, yeah, I can see your locations only capable speed only at 1Mb by referring your line attenuation. Its true then youtube is being throttled by TM Net just what happen to rapidshare before... the best way only complain to CFM and MCMC.

For Linux only, if the test were done by using Linux but still youtube buffering, then its true TM Net limit bandwidth per user to youtube.

I think africans are in fact having a better ISP than us. Thailand also has 10 mbps at rm 144(rounded up). This means its double the price but 10 times the speed compared to my "ONE" mbps "connection"

You know that which nameserver you use to resolve stuff has just about nothing to do with your download speed right?

Not really 10mbps. http://www.thailandguru.com/internet-thail...high-speed.html

I didn't see any 10mbps internet reference there... about pricing and availability.

I read one line. His broadband is up to 4mbps but they get 1.5mbps local and 1mbps international. Also, if you use too much bandwidth (not stated), the ISP has the right to cancel your contract.

Worse than in Malaysia.

Hey y'all, today I've encounterred numerous problems.
Either good or bad, it's both.

The good thing is, youtube streams smoothly for a 35mb video, wait it to buffer for just a minute.
But when I try direct downloading it via IDM, the speed is just like what TS said, doesn't get pass through 35kb/s. I find it rather odd.

Then I used a proxy site to access YT (hidemyass.com|kporxy.com)
Stream improved a bit and direct download is maxed out at 120kb/s.

As for now, miraculously, the ddl speed improved. It's excruciating. DX

Btw i've seen some relation to the dl servers too
IE: http://r4.hkg1.c.youtube.com
The one bolded is different one in a while. I think that affects too.

This post has been edited by Chyan: Dec 27 2009, 12:53 AM

Yeah, but still Malaysia have only one ISP manage all other ISP by giving them wholesalescontract. If TM Net change single terms and conditions, it will effect other ISP as well, who knows...

Time and P1 are not wholesaling from TM. They have their own local and international infra.There are others as well.

I have my support for you fabianz03! Maybe you just collect daily streaming speed(for a week and different time) then screenshot and send to CFM and SKMM?

Another thing is that, 1 or 4Mbps users have the same streaming speed on Utube.

This post has been edited by franklampard8: Dec 27 2009, 01:48 AM

my speed using p1, but my speed is capped at 400kbps cause Fair Usage, dont know if this help,

maybe can use for comparison with streamyx..

my advice for you if you want to make report, use net limiter to prove that you dont have any other programs that also using internet during you load youtube

This post has been edited by silentser: Dec 27 2009, 01:57 AM

Hi there Chyan,
for your info., today is Sunday, which is a 'off day' for throttling for TM.
Weird but it really happens.

Jessica looks good on your avatar btw.

Humph, but still P1 still suffering to their customer... snails and high pings...

Try view youtube video like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTxFRapOHIM still buffering?

Can't test today, because today is a 'off day' for throttling.

HMMM.

same arse 35kb/s
Maybe they auto-trotting ==

Hope one day i see millions of Malaysian protest against tmnut.

Try by next week or during peak time. I tried this morning till evening, no buffer at all.

I received a letter about the Super Upgrade Deal which TM Net said is introduced to encourage existing Streamyx customers to upgrade their packages to a higher speed. Yeah right...........

Even if upgrade until 4mbps but youtube is throttled to 20kBps. This is a scam.

Are you sure you just receive the email...? That was definitely another scam tactics to make people rush for another 24month contract...

Not e-mail but paper letter.

What, thats really late bro, another scam tactics... Super duper late offer...

No offense la TM Net...

Looks like automan5891's speed for TM snail mail was also throttled down...

Not offer letter but about the complaint I made to MCMC about the Super Upgrade Deal.

i seriously cant stand it anymore but i still cant do anything... no matter how worse tmnut is, it's still the best in malaysia, ARGH

Youtube working just fine........ ....great job TM

gratz... but still slow for me argh do u guy know any other broadband service near PJS10??

This post has been edited by Fantasia: Dec 28 2009, 12:11 PM

P1 wimax?.......great ISP

"I received a letter about the Super Upgrade Deal which TM Net said is introduced to encourage existing Streamyx customers to upgrade their packages to a higher speed. Yeah right..........." - Its offer letter lah

Anyway, anyone have made youtube complain to CFM with good reason...?? And got replied...?

other than P1, still got what else?

Jaring used to be good.

This is my testing to show what happens. I have checked on this many times over many days and the results are reproduceable.

Last test I did was today around 3.30pm.


Step #1
Two files are uploaded to a local web server.
First file is v10.zip.
Second file is v10.flv.
Both are 10MB in size. .
v10.zip is NOT a real zip file.
v10.flv is NOT a real video file.
Both are the exact same text file with different filenames.
Running MD5 check on each file produces the same checksum string indicating the contents of both files are exactly the same.

Note #1
Using a local server eliminates any international connection or congestion issues.
Using the same text file eliminates any filtering based on actual file contents such as zip or video file header identifiers.


Step #2
Using IE7 browser, each file is downloaded using http method (direct download).
Each file is downloaded one at a time.
No other downloads are running at the same time.
No download managers etc are running at the same time.
No proxy server is being used.
A 1Mbps Streamyx connection is used.
A 1Mbps Jaring connection is used for comparison.

Note #2
Using direct download eliminates any other factors that may influence the results.
Using a Jaring connection as comparison eliminates any problem with the local webserver.

Results
v10.zip download rate is approx 100KB/s using Streamyx.
v10.flv download rate is approx 25KB/s using Streamyx.
v10.zip download rate is approx 105KB/s using Jaring.
v10.flv download rate is approx 105KB/s using Jaring.

So its only with the Streamyx connection where there is a difference in the file download speeds. The downloading can be repeated again but the results are the same.


Step #3
v10.zip and v10.flv are downloaded using a FTP program using streamyx.

Note #3
Using FTP and getting normal speeds eliminates any connection or congestion problems with either ISP networks or the webserver hosting the files.

Result:
All FTP downloads are at approx 105-110KB/s irrespective of file extension.


Comparison testing:

Step #4
Video files (.flv) hosted on a local server are streamed using HTTP progressive download method using a embedded flash player. These video also do not play smoothly using the Streamyx connection due to the constant play/stop/buffering cycle. However, the videos play smootly using the Jaring connection.

Note #4
This eliminates that it is only YouTube video being throttled. The same slow down also affects other video streaming.


Conclusion:
Nothing to do with YouTube network or servers.
Nothing to do with Streamyx users side.
Nothing to do with local network connection or congestion.
Nothing to do with international network connection or congestion.
Nothing to do with DNS or routing etc.

So, TM is throttling http download and video streaming speeds for .flv file extension?


Remarks:

1. There are times where the v10.flv can be downloaded at full speed of approx 100KB/s like the v10.zip file. It is dificult to determine exactly when and under what conditions this can happen. At that time, YouTube video seems to stream smoothly as wel.
Perhaps at those times the throttling is removed or there is some sort of random throttling going on.

2. An additional quick test similar to listed above using a v10.swf file also downloads at approx 25KB/s. So .swf are also being throttled.

3. Using a proxy, the videos stream smootly, again pointing to throttling on TM side for direct Streamyx connections.

4. The low rate at which the throttling is set to is not acceptable as you can hardly watch videos with constant pauses for buffering every few seconds. At the very least, the rate of throttling has to be increased to maybe 40-50KB/s (not sure exactly) for smooth playback.

5. If TM is using file extension to do throttling, this is not a good method at all. It is not only YouTube that streams videos. There are regular websites that may have videos too to promote their own product and services. These will be affected too.


Can others comment on the above? Is there another explanation? What else apart from throttling can cause such a result?

First of all I would like to thank you for spending your time on this. I really appreciate your work.
Well, if we put throttling aside, the problem maybe bad routing. And currently the AAG cable is down.

Lastly I will keep your work for future refference.

i do admit youtube is really slow to access but when u guys complaint over rapidshare/mu few month ago, i didn't have problem with it i mean my download was fine providing that i look fr the right ip. in youtube case, mayb they do capped it due to cases such as namewee videos... n bullying cases that keeps popping up on every flash video site

As I tested on a local server, this is not international routing. Unless TM own local network has problems. But I don't think so. There is no problem when I test the route to the local server. Also, from the same server, one file can download without problem, but another cannot. So its not routing.

AAG does not come into play. I don't even think that the AAG link is being used for us as I don't see the tracerts have changed recently to show this.

surely this is a great test achievement however u did not provide screenshot of ur test. we could just say u made this up.. same like streamyx, they say they didn't throttle and we say they did . it's just words against words

Again, as I tested, this is not only YouTube. I just ran a quick similar test from an overseas server. Nothing to do with YouTube. The .zip file downloads as per normal speed, the .flv downloads at approx 25KB/s. This is http direct download. Not even streaming video. Just speed difference based on file extension.

I also tried a .swf and its approx 25KB/s. But a .mov downloads at normal speed. All this within a few minutes testing.

What else can you conclude if not file extension filtering / throttling?

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Added on December 28, 2009, 7:50 pmI welcome anyone to try similar testing and post results as well. This sort of controlled testing takes time. I only posted to let you all know. I really hope some others can also test and post here.

Yes, I did not take screen shots. But you know, that also can be said to be false and it is still our word against theirs. When I spoke to customer service about YouTube being slow, I did mention to them that I can show them what is going on.



This post has been edited by mylinear: Dec 28 2009, 07:50 PM

Thanks, from what I see YouTube is being mirrored locally now.
The latency are too low for international routing.



Which leads to a conclusion that chances that TM is throttling YouTube is high.

Evidence or not, we still have to report en mass to MCMC before they will take this matter seriously otherwise they will just dismiss it as typical difficult to please user problems.

This matter is really really serious.
Even the govt have their own YouTube channel. As well as our Prime Minister Dtk. Sri. Najib.
How can we, the people watch these videos when YouTube is throttled ?

Nope, I am not supporting either of them but for the sake of the supporters, they can lose votes !

lol I posted about this.

Youth leaders to air views on YouTube http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1267695&hl=

Youth leaders, right.
The future of Malaysia, looks like it's kinda 'slow'.

today slow like shit

watching youtube still got other way to solve the problem

my methods is use "Proxy+ internet download manager" to download


but tmnet not only throttling youtube

they are throttling flv. file download speed

so live online video also throttled

i don't know how can I get full speed to watch live online video

So basically they're throttling all flash content ?
Lemme search 1Malaysia website got flash content or not.