I personally disagree with changing managers before the end of the season because they new one doesn't have enough time to settle in. Having said that it's been shown that an injection of a fresh approach to the game can have a positive impact on the side. What has sparked Portsmouth's mini revival? There are other examples from seasons before but I don't want to stray. I've always advocated that a manager should be given a fair amount of time to attain success, and I am especially critical when a manager gets to dictate the amount of time given.

You and I may not visibly see any other manager capable of spurring a revival but then again, you and I and the other posters here aren't the best informed. Aside from plagiarising magazines, onlines sites and possibly even books, where do we get our references from? It isn't as though we chart the career progression of each manager hoping to un-earth the next great manager. Right now only the big names are echoing in our heads.

To rebutt your first point though, I don't see why we can't make comparisons with the other sides who are almost similar with us in terms of points. I mean aren't we saying we have a low budget etc in comparison with the big clubs? Everything is relative. You can't only make comparisons when it suits your argument.

in 10 days time when the transfer window opens, lots of offers from big clubs will be coming in for lucas since hes such an excellent player.

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Added on December 21, 2009, 2:27 pm1. isnt he still injured? i guess we really have hot nurses.
2. imo, that is what rafa shouldve done when masch got sent off and replaced lucas with aurelio...but nooo...he decided to replace lucas at the last min with spearing.

This post has been edited by Everdying: Dec 21 2009, 02:27 PM

Portsmouth's Tal Ben Haim accuses Liverpool star Fernando Torres of deliberately elbowing

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0aInIoZEl

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Added on December 21, 2009, 2:30 pmSome described it as a "knock". Some said it is calf injury....We will see

P.S: I think Gerrard will partner Lucas in middle with N'Gog starting in front with Torres?

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 21 2009, 02:30 PM

u dont get a calf injury from a knock.
its either he didnt warm up properly which is unlikely, or hes made of paper

I actually think Rafa made up the excuse for not bringing Aquilani along.

Anyhow, we still have to cope with it if Aquilani really injured.

Possible lineups.

1.If Riera fits


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2.If Riera unfit



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3.If Aquilani fits

Liverpool have confirmed the injury sustained by midfielder Javier Mascherano during Saturday's defeat at Portsmouth.


The Reds' midfielder limped out of the 2-0 defeat with a knee injury and was assessed by the club's medical staff at Melwood on Sunday.

A club spokesman said: "The player had a scan this afternoon which confirmed the medical team's initial diagnosis that he suffered a medial ligament sprain in his left knee.

"He is exoected to be sidelined for two to three weeks."


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...o-injury-update

"no comparisons" as my intention was merely to avoid any off the points discussion, such as our spending vs villa's..i wanted to talk only about changing boss at this time..but overall you view on management overhaul is understandable, im still waiting for more people to explain their brief plans when they say "sack Rafa"..then what ?

on the other hand, im still firm with my belief, one man destroyed us all, he is so legendary that only one man can do it all by himself..

and we know Rafa's stubbornness, no matter how stubborn he is, he will sooner or later give up and accept his mistake and make amends...
and the day he drop Lucas in his head is the day we'll win our 19th league..until that, good luck on staying off relegation zone

Just for the sake of argument, I'm just wondering if someone like Kenny Dalglish is what we need if he's up for it of course. He's made it clear in the past that he can't take the pressure, or rather doesn't want to which is why he resigned but maybe things have changed? If one of the prevailing issues is indeed that the dressing room has been lost and the players lack motivation, what better way is there to pick everyone up by re-appointing the very manager that last won us the league? That being said, the re-appointment of Sammy Lee was for what I believe the very same reason, to be a motivator for the team but that apparently hasn't worked. Leads me to question whether or not, it is really about motivation or do the players just despite what they said in the press, dislike our Rafa? If you read comments from the likes of Gerrard and Carra, they don't go as far as to say they don't like him but they do give out hints by saying that he's not the sort of manager that'd give you a pat on the back. He is however a very meticulous man and they respect him but you don't have to like someone you respect.

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you might laugh but someone with huge ego may want this job...Jose perhaps? who knows, he may take a pay cut and Liverpool's financial situation is not as good as Chelsea was when he took over but then...the prospect of being a Liverpool manager might be tantalizing enough for him.
And for those of you who think Jose only bring titles with huge budget, perhaps. But he did it several times in 3 different countries. Surely something related to pedigree and ability must count besides having huge financial backing. And we're not a team filled with the unknowns Smiths and Harrys...we have Nando, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Agger...and several other potentials. Perhaps Jose (or anyone for that matter) does not really require mega millions to create an all conquering Liverpool team. Maybe just some millions for an extra 2-3 players.

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Added on December 21, 2009, 3:55 pm1. Personally, i would think Dalglish is a sensible short term ship steadying appointment, if Rafa is shown the door out. His knowledge of game + managerial experience + status with the players earn him that seat. However, i'll be very surprised if he can actually build a team capable of challenging for title on long term basis. No disrespect to that man but times have change. His record at Celtic and Newcastle doesnt seem to suggest guaranteed success either. But i think if Rafa were to leave in January and we're still in hunt for 4th, Dalglish's aura could be what Liverpool need for next couple of months.

2. I still prefer someone who knows the EPL and has been there before... no need to mention who i am talking about...hahah

This post has been edited by nando: Dec 21 2009, 03:58 PM

Well I did some checking and his managerial record after Liverpool isn't as bad as some may think.

He got Blackburn promoted to the top flight for the first time since 1966 in his first season at the helm. In the subsequent seasons, they finished 4th and 2nd respectively before finishing as champions. He was then promoted to Director of Football the season after winning the league. He was also responsible in bringing players like Alan Shearer, David Batty, Chris Sutton and Tim Flowers into the side, players who would feature regularly in seasons to come.

At Newcastle, he took the club to a 2nd placed finish in his first season in charge. They finished 13th the following season however although they reached the final of the FA Cup and scored a famous 3-2 victory over Barcelona in the same season. He was then sacked after drawing their first two games of the following season.

In his only season in charge of Celtic he took them to the runners-up spot in the league, and the final of the Scottish League Cup. The following season he made way for Martin O'Neill.

If you look at it, he only really spent a lenghty amount of time at Blackburn, a team he got promoted in his first season in charge, finishing right at the summit in only their 3rd season in the top flight. Didn't stay for mroe than two season in either Newcastle or Celtic. If we're patient enough to give Rafa and Houllier 5 years a piece, who knows if he would have done more had be stayed on at Newcastle or Celtic?

hmmm....I always have the tendency to link Dalglish's managerial success to certain players. To me, i'll always associate his success at Liverpool to Barnes/Aldo/Beardo and Blackburn -Shearer/Sutton. I know football is an 11 men game but i think Dalglish has this ability to bring best out of players.

okay, assuming hypothetically, he were to manage our team, perhaps....just perhaps..he can do the following...

-breathe inspiration to players we all know can do the job....Torres, Gerrard, Carra, Reina, Aqui and perhaps add to this list Agger..(5-6 world class players performing)

-increase potential of `fringe/inconsistent' players....Yossi, Babel, Kuyt by playing them in right position or some good old man management (upgrade of 4-5 fringe players to world class)

-perhaps old Kenny still has the eye for player and get 1-2 players with impact Garry Macca (for all you liverpool fans, check out ESPN soccernet. A beautiful article on MacAllister was posted recently). After all, Dalglish spotted Aldo, Houghton and several other low profile but vital players (2-3 bargain and yet successful buys)

-If not mistaken, Dalglish also had something to do with McManaman and Redknapp's early days...so perhaps the eye to spot a new talent is still there eh? (2-3 young talent)

IF all the above works together, we may have a strong 13-18 players capable of playing some good football?

sigh..now you got me thinking....

This post has been edited by nando: Dec 21 2009, 04:42 PM

Damn, imagine winning the 19th with Dalglish at helm.

That will probably means Rafa gone and if Rafa gone, he will probably bring your lucas along.

Dalglish will develop Lucas to the same mould as Kaka, turst me

Its King Kenny for jeebus sake!!!

I was just going through some of "what better option do we have than Rafa" posts and chose to give it a little more thought. The points that always arise for not being able to compete are lack of funds, and underperforming players. While we cannot do anything about the former, we can do something about the latter. The reason I brought up Dalglish was because he recently got back into the game, and he was the last manager to win us the league. He's also a big favourite with every Liverpool fan and I imagine he has some status amongst the foreign players as well. In short, he has presence and this will give him an edge is trying to command the dressing room. It may be only for a quick fix, but it's obvious we are crying out for an injection of inspiration.

His managerial success at Liverpool will definitely be undermined because of the players he had at his disposal. You also mentioned however that he spotted some "lesser" known talent like Aldo, Houghton, Venison and one, Peter Beardsley. In fact, every manager after Shankly will forever be in his shadow, Paisley and Fagan included.

It is arguable however if his success at Blackburn was down to him inheriting quality players because like I posted before, the players he signed proved to be mainstays for the team for years.

Every manager that manage Liverpool have big responsibility cause Liverpool have 18th title in EPL...when Fergie take charge of ManU, he dont have any pressure, thats why he can be there around how many years? 7 ? ...

if Fergie resign, the next manager sure got a hell of pressure, ...believe me...if new manager cannot deliver EPL like fergie do...then you know what will happen in their forum...

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Added on December 21, 2009, 5:09 pmi heard in ERA radio just now, Rafa dont afraid if he being sacked...

This post has been edited by normeck: Dec 21 2009, 05:09 PM

It's a given that there is more pressure to succeed today than there was back then, hence the short lifespan amongst managers. Having said that, Liverpool are known to be one of the more patient clubs when it comes to dealing with their managers. I mean how many times have we actually sacked a manager. Houllier left by "mutual consent".

If he gets the boot, he'll get a big sum of cash. Something around Aquilani's transfer value I heard.

yeap... 20mil + a probable place in real madrid...
but i dont see why Pellegrini should be sacked for now
6 freaking nil
let time decide.. i am seriously following news and updates on rafa and owners too