i don't think the owner is the major cause if we did not win the title. We have Torres. Glenny is not exactly cheap and Aquaman is still an enigma. $$$ may not be flowing as we wish but i cannot blame the yanks though i don't agree with the way they saddle the club with debts.

Managers do make decision that puzzle everyone. Rafa is not alone. I prefer not to comment other team/manager. I don't think Rafa is that ignorant to NOT see that we are not doing well. I don't know what is happening behind the dressing room. It's not my position to comment. If i am not 100% sure i prefer not to say anything that will make a bad situation goes worst.

my point is no one force anyone to choose which club to support. Its our very own decision. We are mad when result are not good. more so when its a long bad patch but remember that when time is bad, that is when we stand behind each other's back. we all know its bad time for the club. If every fan in the world go to any board and say "Rafa should go", can you imagine the damage it'll cause to a very delicate situation???

when we are winning, we celebrate. we time is bad, we should band together.

there is a "religion" behind You'll Never Walk Alone.

I don't agree or disagree on whether sacking Rafa but just want to post some fact here.

Yes, limited budget, limited squad might be the case of cannot compete at the top or winning the league title, most supporters can accept it. But not the like below Birmingham in 8th position, and potentially 9th as well if Fulham win their one game in hand.

But does Arsenal spend more than Liverpool? No
Does Birmingham spend more than Liverpool? No
Does Aston Villa has bigger squad and spend more? No

But yet they are playing better football and above Liverpool now in league position.

On paper Liverpool has better players than them.

Aston Villa is having much more limited budget than Liverpool. But yet they are consistent at around 5-7th.

So I don't think it is fair always said Liverpool has no money which lead to a position right now. Cannot challenge the top then yes, but cannot play good football and at least 4th position, no.

The most important is that the body language is wrong, confidence and mentality issue <--- this is more about dressing room issue.

Just my opinion.

we cant guarantee next manager will give us title...BUT>..can we try? we know Rafa has come to his peak...if u see the graph, he at the top...
what guarantee of a success??? its FAILURE....how to prevent Failure? we need to inject a new blood, bring in new ideas...

i can take it if we are still at 4th place...maybe this is not our year if we in 4th place....but we are at 8th place!!! and got another half season to go...do we expect we will win all the game? ..base on our last performance....maybe we will go down some more...

i dunno la what you all think,....but i feel we are doing wrong in tactical, (include Rafa put Gerrard as AM, 2 DM..and bla bla bla)...

I hope there is no misunderstanding in our intent. We're still supporting the club, manager and players when they are on the pitch. I bet most of us here would still be singing YNWA or even the Rafa song if we were at Anfield. But when all is said and done, somebody needs to be accountable for the poor form. We fans have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, which is why we have a forum to discuss/debate/argue. As long as everything goes in a friendly and respective manner, I don't think negative discussions should be labeled as lack of faith.

we hit a bad patch also Dec Jan last season. we draw to many match which cause us our chance at the title. We whack Madrid and went on a scoring spree and end up 2nd. who deliver that streak??? the player and the same manager.

1 bad patch and calling for new blood??? i think its a bad call. if the new manager come and another bad patch, another new blood???

new idea yes, i agree.

mourinho coming www.anfieldformourinho.com

sumtime when we care abt sumthing too much, we un-intentionally cause hurt. its like you holding on to someone too tight, you will eventually hurt them physically (lebam ke, blue black ke...).

i just don't like the idea seeing to many post calling for head when time is bad.

Clearly the manager is the man to be blame in this bizzare situation...

if its a 2-3 matches of poor game then yes, players should shoulder the blame, but now? 1st half of the season gone and Liverpool ended up in the mid table and the manager is still talking bout hitting the restart button of "his" season... The season will start from <insert team here> match onwards and bla bla bla... how many times d i also forgotten... the reset button rosak d?

ya i might not be a liverpool fan, but Rafa Benitez must go since he ain't got the backing of the players anymore.

i dunno if u were watching matches last yr...but we were also playing with the same tactical approach with 2 DM, which obviously was masch and alonso.
they both swept in front of our last line of defence providing and excellent buffer which also accounted for our great defensive record last yr...and with alonso there dictating the pace of the match...
and its also pretty obvious what the difference is this yr.

the streak came about after we sold keane

we should wait until the end of the season before talking about changing the manager.don`t be like atletico madrid which always change their managers and still struggling after spending lots of money on players.

i give him until after african nations cup / CNY

last year we have Alonso with ability to do long pass..play maker..this year Alonso has gone and who we replace? Lucas? are you guys saying Lucas was good at playing DM? sorry to say that Lucas was not the one can play at that position....as a Manager, he would address this problem.... i dont want to repeat myself again who should be playing there...

yes if we continue to debate technically, it will be a long one...but the point is, i want my Manager do what ever it is if we keep losing each game...i think the pin point to do this when we were end up 9 game without winning? (cant remember and dont want to check internet)....at this stage..i just hoping we dont go down, as other team not afraid anymore to face Liverpool....

emmmm...when the team not win the game..we always point it to the players from the defence to midfield..we should also blame the striker's for not converting the chances create from the middle..

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Added on December 21, 2009, 12:19 pmi think Scot Parker was better than aquilani in terms of possession, he can run everywhere, long pass and take the ball from chelsea players..that's why rafa was alert to take him to anfield

This post has been edited by sissoko: Dec 21 2009, 12:19 PM

Villa actually spent more than us for the last couple of seasons(nett spending). and Birmingham, their fans doesn't really expect them to be there.Ours, we are expecting the team to win the league from the beginning of the season. The pressure is high and thus, the players play with Burdens and ended up losing everything and get kicked out from CL, causing the morale low and confidence dipped and the hurricane continue

As for Arsenal, we know very well, hw many times they topped us by Winter but comes end of the May, they usually not there.I'm not sure if that's something we should look upon and emulate.Not denying that we are shit at the moment though.

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Added on December 21, 2009, 12:51 pmAlways disagree with his decision to sell Keane.He, indirectly, spoiled Keane's career.Keane never look confidence even until now...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 21 2009, 12:51 PM

Definitely

forget comparisons with other teams,

the point in my post WAS NOT to list out excuses of why we are where we are now, eg: low budget, player's problems, owner's problems...no not excuses..
but my post was about our desperation and hot headed demand, to change the management during the streak of hard times, which i think is quite unreasonable..be it Rafa or anyone else, i dont see anyone who can do a magic and turn things around in our situations now

i am not defending Rafa but i urge you guys to think again when you want to say "boot Rafa"..coz the problems dont stop there, then what's next?
who's next? why?
we're in a check-mate situation, and i, logically think that sacking the manager during this time, is so disastrous to Liverpool, i could not imagine the fall.

do u still think changing the manager is a good idea?

the match against wigan was pretty decent going 4-4-2 with gerrard and aurelio in free roles with masch.
until of cos the 2nd half when lucas came in for aurelio and the midfield completely went to shit.

With Masch out for 4 matches, we can possibly see a change in midfielder.I hope it gonna works.Apparently, we should start coping with life without Mascherano with him refusing to sign a new contract.

worse case is masch may be out for 5 games since his injury will take 2-3 weeks to heal.

Probably blessing in disguise...

1. We can see more of Aquilani.
2. Might be a change of formation with Gerrard drop back and 4-4-2 with N'Gog upfront.
3. Can start coping with life without Masch
4.A change in tactic as well with no proper DM unless you count Lucas in or spearing..or Plessis