The 2-0 derby match. Offered nothing in the entire match except for winning the ball back for the winning goal. No drive. No inspiration. Throws his hands up when his team mate screws up where in fact he was doing a lot worse.
I know that expecting a 100% from Gerrard who just came back from injury is ridiculous, but remember Torres v Madrid last season? Stevie shown none of the passion exhibited by Torres.

Anyway, in terms of violence... well as long as you play his songs you're safe.
Alright alright... apologies in advance for the bad joke.

Why? Because the last time we saw Aurelio there he has been crap! How about giving Plessis/Spearing + Aquilani a chance?

the last time we saw aurelio there was vs wigan, and he wasnt crap.
when rafa replaced aurelio with lucas in the 2nd half, it was so obvious our midfield lost shape.

tho if by last time u meant the fiorentina game, well that was paired with lucas...no surprises there.
aurelio does wonders with either masch or gerrard partnering him...and its nothing that he hasnt done before.

This post has been edited by Everdying: Dec 22 2009, 01:19 AM

He was rubbish in Fiorentina match at Anfield though...Kinda inconsistent of him when playing in the middle.

considering that rafa brought him on in the 86th min? u think he can do magic all the time?
all the magic used up last yr when he made 44,000 mancs dissapear from OT after that freekick.

Senior Liverpool players turn on Benitez

Several Liverpol players have had a row with Rafael Benitez after turning on the former Valencia manager, according to reports.

Steven GerrardSteven Gerrard, Fabio Aurelio and Javier Mascherano believe Benitez needs to be sacked after being frustrated with the lack of quality in the side.

An un-named source said: “Three Liverpool players are absolutely against Benitez to remain at the club.

“Aurelio, Mascherano and the skipper are unhappy with the team’s form this season and blame Benitez for it.

“Gerrard looked disinterested in training and Benitez had a go at him but Stevie wasn’t having any of it and the two aren’t currently talking.”

Mascherano is out suspended along with an injury while Aurelio has been dropped from the side after being kept out by Emiliano Insua.

http://lfcglobe.com/senior-liverpool-playe...urn-on-benitez/


Strip him off his captaincy.Even if he hates Rafa and want him to leave, the very least he should do is turning against Rafa in front of his teammates...Time and time again with his arrogance and poor leadership...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 22 2009, 01:37 AM

If I'm not mistaken, there is a match where he started the game as midfielder and we ended up losing..A CL match iirc.

BTW, loled at the bold part.

A match.
one...satu...eine...getting picky arent we?

Memorable at least...How he ran around like headless chicken...Not underestimating his ability and deadly crosses but he is inconsistent...One game full of magic, another play like crap.Definitely not long term replacement in midfield because that's the most important part of a team.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 22 2009, 01:35 AM

of cos not long term replacement, but right now with aquilani still crocked, he is our best choice along with gerrard to link midfield with forwards...especially with gerrard getting double teamed everywhere.
unless u wanna tell me lucas or spearing can do the link up play...

This post has been edited by Everdying: Dec 22 2009, 01:41 AM

oh yeahh.. sell gerrard and leave us with all those craps we got! we don't need an arrogant SOB who keeps scoring goals every season and created most of the chances for his team-mates.. we only want player who can play with their heart and passion..

He's either played really good or really bad this season. There's some games that he stands out but most of the time he's been a disappointment.

liverpool will not be liverpool without gerrard in midfield mind u

liverpool will not be liverpool without carra in defence mind u too

liverpool will not be liverpool without torres in attack mind u three

form is temporary, class is permanent

famous sporting statement.. welll , our form is poor but our class is permanent

lots of players lose form but their class will be remembered forever
Robbie Fowler, anyone?

Correct me if I'm wrong, it was Masch and Gerrard in midfield against Wigan for most of the match. The Lucas sub made sense as Rafa wanted to protect the lead and hold onto possession. Gerrard couldn't do that.
Yes, I believe it's the Fiorentina game. It has nothing to do with Lucas as Aurelio was too one footed and too hesitant to keep ball moving. Actually I wouldn't mind giving Aurelio/Agger-Gerrard in midfield a go, but I rather one of Plessis and Spearing given a run out.

There has been rumours of our dressing room being split into several groups. Never a healthy thing, I guess the players are pulling a Scolari on Rafa. *Sigh*

AQUILANI TO RECEIVE HORSE PLACENTA TREATMENT

Tuesday, 22nd December 2009
Liverpool midfielder Alberto Aquilani has flown to Belgrade to receive treatment from ‘horse placenta doctor’ Marijana Kovacevic.

The former Roma midfielder was set to make his full debut against Wigan last weekend but pulled out following a niggle in his calf and didn’t feature against Portsmouth after missing training for a week.

Aquilani is currently in Belgrade with Nabil El Zhar and had treatment today at Kovacevic’s clinic.

The 25-year-old has only made three substitute appearances for the Reds and one start following his move in August for £17million.

However, Aquilani is set to start against Wolverhampton Rovers at the weekend with Javier Mascherano currently out injured and suspended.

Benitez hopes Kovacevic’s horse placenta works on the midfielder as it did with Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio, Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera, who all returned ahead of time following their injuries.

source

Care to tell which match he's really good in this season? I struggle to recall many. I could think of one... perhaps Bolton after the sending off? There's another one I couldn't recall but that's about it.

I can't for the life see why the players would turn against the manager when earlier this season they played some brilliant football and couldn't stop scored (If you could ignore the conceding part). It shows that the belief in the team last season is wearing thin, the mentality in the team is so fragile that it is beyond belief. How Gerrard could dwell so much on Alonso's departure is beyond me, but what's worse is Rafa allowing it to happen. And to think that Hyypia and Alonso said this season would be our season. Shows how much leadership we have lost with those 2 gone.

This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: Dec 22 2009, 09:05 AM

http://goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-lea...n-the-champions

There is another notable saying to contradict that mate and it goes, "no player is bigger than the club". Liverpool was Liverpool before Stevie, Jamie and Nando. Liverpool will still live on after they're gone. Back then it could also have been said that Liverpool would not be Liverpool without Rush, Hansen, Grobbelar, Barnes, etc. Before that Liverpool would not have been Liverpool without Neal, Clemence, Hughes, etc. Fact of the matter is that players like managers come and go, but the club remains.

I'm not sure if we have class at the moment. 20 years without a league title would back up my suspicions. Fowler? He never regained his form after leaving Liverpool unfortunately.



I thought he was immense against Portsmouth although we lost. Carra may not be having the best of seasons but unlike many of the other players, he still has passion and he still plays with heart. When you aren't in the best of forms, you can at least play as though it means something to you and you can bet your bottom dollar that Carra will bleed for the team.

I'm no football analyst but one thing that is clear as day is that we often struggle in the final third. How many times have we dominated possession but mustered only a handful of shots on goal? We lack imagination where it matters, in front of goal. Often there is a lack of numbers going forward which beckons me to question Rafa's safety first approach to games. We're already languishing behind the likes of Villa, Birmingam, Spurs and City, and we're at the halfway point of the season. If we continue to get the results we've been getting, we'll be lucky to finish in the top 6, let alone the top 4. At some point, we'll have to consider throwing caution into the wind, pushing more players forward just like we did towards the tail end of last season.

IMO, if it true that stevie has turn away from benitez and not committed into the training, then I think it is time to strip him from the captaincy. Even if you don't meet eye to eye with the manager, it doesn't give you the privilege to turn away from him. He's still the boss and at the very least you can do is playing for the sake of the club even not benitez. This is what happened when player think they are much bigger than a club. And for what I care if he want to walk away from liverpool let him be. We just need 10 more carragher in the field to win the league.

We are Liverpool and Liverpool are Us.

Said many times b4, winning papers over many cracks.
And it is always easy to be a great captain of a winning side, but to earn your stripes, you need to captain a poor side. Ask Ricky Ponting.

Gerrard has had moments of poor judgement (i.e. his comments on Keane last December which were subsequently leaked to the press) but when he's on top of his game there are few better. But at times he too is a petulant, arrogant git.

This post has been edited by madmoz: Dec 22 2009, 10:41 AM