still FA will charge him insulting the refs... match ban till end season...

Agree. ahaha. The team. Not individual player. Liverpool forever.

Aurelio in the dark over Reds future

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...5787093,00.html

wow... good news... chelsea trailing... our gap wif league leaders still maintain after this match

What good news?
Still thinking the gap with league leader?

Liverpool trailing Birmingham now! Europe place (Europa league, 5th) already in high doubt, still think winning the league??
or should say Birmingham is closer to the league top spot.

No offence.

what happen is those yanky sells Steven G and Nando, get those money to pay off debt, in the same time earn some money. Then sell the club to others cheaply. Can't imagine that. Our situation is kinda bad, and those yanky who more interested on their investment than the club, might consider sell some players to generate money then later on sell the club to others. So for them job finish.
We will be in our dark age again. Our club must be something wrong, the players and manager just keep quiet. If anyone leak out rumour then the club might hit worst. Just keep our fingers cross.

This post has been edited by smwah: Dec 21 2009, 01:33 AM

to those of you who wants Rafa to leave:

give me one manager that can take the hot seat for a team with no budget, no support from the owners, limited squad, low quality youths, underperformed star players, injuries hampered squad..from all that resources, rebuild a team

his tactics, his approach, his stubbornness, thats for another session of discussion..for now just think of a manager who CAN and WANT to take the job ?

no offends but dont u think Rafa is actually trying to lose the job as the manager with no budget, no support from the owners, limited squad, low quality youths,underperformed star players, injuries hampered squad?

u r talking about a man who justed signed a 5 year contract here?

what good does it bring to him by losing out the matches?better CV?

i really lol hard at sdome of the comments

This post has been edited by bearbear: Dec 21 2009, 04:36 AM

what else can he be doing with the most successful club in England?

SO OUR SLUMP NOW hav to be blamed firstly on the Owners, ie the Yanks cause they din splash more money to buy GOOD players???

wat abt the 20 Mil spend to buy Aqua and only restrited to less than a full 90 mins??
who to blame here ?
injury ?
if its injury, why buy him in the first place if he is so brittle???
20 Mil can be used to buy a good player tat can play more matches than Aqua and we would hav qualify for CL and hence another 18Mil fr qualifying into the next stage where we could use tat 18Mil to purchase another player

i would blame Rafa on his tactics , the so called master tactician

some teams in the BPL hav lesser budget and yet they can buy lesser known players wif less money and they can hav a better team than us now

look at the table, it dun tell lies there

morale of the story,.......rafa tactics suks, get an unknown (not sammy lee pls ) and maybe we can do better than rafa

p/s why not try rajagopal or shabby singh

You see, if you use this argument each time then we might as well as close the entire sub-forum. There are plenty of managers who can do a better job, whether they want to or we can afford to is a different question.

And your points to defend the manager I could use it against you. Few months ago, to call for the manager's head is probably a case of knee-jerking but now we are 8 points off the team in 4th. Aston Villa for God's sake! We have slumped to a new low and questions NEED to be asked.

- No budget? Well I believed we almost break even this season, no? So financially it shouldn't be an excuse, if it is then what about Villa, Fulham, Birmingham, Spurs?
- Underperforming star players, well we are in dire need of a motivator and we all know Rafa isn't one. Has Sammy too lost his influence? Again both the manager and co-manager needs to take responsibility.

The other reasons are almost invalid because in the past seasons we still finished top 4 and qualified for at least CL quarter finals, despite lacking owners' support, budget, squad depth etc...

I've said this a few weeks ago, if Rafa has lost the dressing room (Which he appears to be), he needs to go. I believe I have been patient in this matter, but by losing the dressing room - no matter you're a Ferguson or a Dalglish - there is no turning back.

yes,
well said

there are plenty of manager that can do a better job... that is true... they can do a better until they start doing the job.

look at Scolari. very good profile right? F'ed up in Chelsea. I don't blame him. Juandes Ramos is another classic example. Can anyone guarantee that the next manager come will give us the title???? or 4 season no title, we are goin to call for a change again???

wat is rafa's achievement so far, .........the only good tat i can see is the purchase of Torres?
or the purchase of Dosenna,Ngog,Bable,Lucas, juz to name a few

rafa should rest gerrard and try aquaman...

aquaman supposedly broke down after 10 minutes during the midweek, so errr no.

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Added on December 21, 2009, 9:56 amon an unrelated note, as they say... sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and both times Rafa has tried it, he comes across as a bitter, petulant cry baby.

STOP IT ALREADY and get back to the tinkering.

This post has been edited by madmoz: Dec 21 2009, 09:56 AM

Another apt saying would be, "Never have the lives of so many been owed to so few" referring to the airmen that conquered the skies, amidst an enemy superior in numbers during the battle of Britain". Extremely fitting if you ask me seeing as millions of reds over the world devote themselves to our cause.

Mate I can tell you that this argument is getting a little old. How much better off is Alex McLeish? Sure Carson Yeung has come in but how much has been invested in players. Even with our problems, we must surely be better off that some of the teams above us at the moment? It's like I said, it's worrying that we're closer to the bottom of the table than we are to the top. Care to comment on the inept performances we've seen of late? We may not have the best players in the league, but we surely should be doing better than we are with the ones we have.

Itdoesn't matter if it's Rafa in charge or some other manager. I've no sight of what's happening behind closed doors but my main concern is if anything's being done to address our current form? We mustered 1 shot against a team rock bottom of the league with the worst home record in the league and it's only one of many inept performances this season.

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Added on December 21, 2009, 10:05 amI do agree that it's important to have the money to bring quality players in but seriously, do you want to be referred to as a team that bought the league? I'd much rather be remembered as a team that punched above our weight and won it because we fought for it and gave it all we got.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 21 2009, 10:05 AM

Honestly, I've given up on the title with the kind of owners that we have. The thing is, we should be able to challenge for the top 4 spot.

I hope I'm not contradicting by saying this... I really think and wished Rafa's the right man to lead us to the title. But on top a world-class manager, you need the solid financial backing, club stability and even some luck. It's no doubt that Rafa's a top-class manager (Try imagining him managing City), but at the same time he has his flaws, which is that he can't seem to get the best out of mediocre players. He has shown in the past that his managing style works best with world-class players with the right mentality (Eg. Torres, Reina, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Carragher). But half of those key players have already given up hope (Alonso left, Gerrard devastated, Masch has his eyes on Barca and Carra's age is catching up.) and we can no longer afford expensive signings. I understand where you're coming from as there is a small probability world-class manager who would be willing to take up (Those who suggested Mourinho and Hiddink please be reminded of their asking fees.) the Liverpool job. Maybe it's time to accept that we only deserve managers like MON?

Also, I've said that if Rafa has lost the dressing room he needs to go. The situation is not unsavable though, but it requires bold decisions from Rafa (Dropping senior players, clearing deadwoods in January, throwing hungry youth players into league games, hairdryer treatment etc...). At the moment, it's not happening and it seems that Rafa is waiting for his fate.

The compensation means that Rafa might retain his job despite what's going on. January transfer window is fast approaching, let's see what happens from there.

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On a sidenote, anybody notices how fast the media turns its face against United. One week Ferguson was hailed as God for sailing the them through the crisis, now everybody's pouncing on them. If not for Hughes' sacking, he would probably still make the headlines. God bless the media.

Yeap, agreed. Alonso was, and still is my favourite player. But f*** no. No way I'd quit supporting Liverpool and move on to another club. f***ing no way.