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post Aug 19 2011, 10:10 PM

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Well, as long as you are willing to buy and he is willing to sell, where got malu? unless you are asking him for the old price, then better not lah, no such thing loh.

I think some of these online website stop selling because they may be waiting for the price to be higher before becoming active again. I'm having trouble contacting overseas supplier too.

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post Aug 20 2011, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Aug 20 2011, 05:57 AM)
Reach 43 just now. broke d resistance level aldy?
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Hi spiky,

The chart I saw for 18th Aug, the resistance level was at USD 42. The latest one was moved a little higher to USD 43 due to their calculation of RSI. Sorry, I'll try not to be too technical about it.

Here's another chart which shows the silver breaking thru and moving back to the channel, it means there are people trying to keep it from breaking thru, but once it break all charts resistant level, it will chase after gold like nobody's business.

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These charts are from kitco silver page, Again, evenryone has their own interpretation of charts, that's why the market is so fun and the person who can predict 95% of the time right, he should be working for bank as fund managers. I'm NOT one of them, just a interested investor who is too poor to buy gold.

My final 2 cents worth, just like stock market, if you want to catch the early trend, you must monitor the price movement very closely especially when US/Europe market open, that's almost 24 hours of non stop monitoring. Once you buy, next step is to plan at what price to sell, if you are not a collector. Don't get greedy, start the selling process when it hit your price, keep some of them if you want, then stop monitoring the price. smile.gif

Don't flame me o.k? It's what I learn from other guru, I'm thinking out loud, anyone else have alternate views please share, there's no right or wrong, this forum is about investment anyway..

I'm aiming at selling around USD 47 - USD 50 level.

By the way, at the time I'm writing this, it is DEAD at USD 43. If we see heavy volume transacted, it means some big player (probably JP Morgan) is trying to keep the price low.

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post Aug 20 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(SRDCglobal @ Aug 20 2011, 09:49 AM)
Ahh, bringing out the technical charts now are we? hehe
If a person can be right about the market 95% of the time, they DO NOT need to be working for banks as fund managers.
They should be home trading for themselves and earning 100% of the gain from the market.
And trust me, I know a lot..and I mean a lot of people who can win at least 20 times consecutively in spot trading.
If you can be earning money by yourself, why bother earning it for others and get 0.0001% of their profits as salary?
Think about that  brows.gif

Anyway, aiming at USD 47-50 level because of what happened in May 2, 2011 at USD 49, right?
Me too  rclxms.gif
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Yup, well just want to be careful when it hits USD 47 - 50, Some stupid news from some US or European country can send it downwards, while those techie will think it's just formed the head of the shampoo "head and shoulder" smile.gif

And you're right too, trading for personal gain is the way to being rich, but very emotional as it is all your own money, stressful life.


QUOTE(benedict1213 @ Aug 20 2011, 02:07 PM)
frankly advice,  do not learn from gurus...  they are name as gurus because their main purposes is selling things or promoting their strategy & methodology.. The right person is learn from traders! 

base on current Gold rate USD1850, i my target for Silver would be USD47...  but first i am looking at 43.50, 44.50..
this coming week, i foresee that silver might retest at 40.30-41.50.  good luck!
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Well, sorry for the wrong reference, my guru actually meant the trader, not the people who SELL BOOKS TO TEACH YOU HOW TO BE RICH some other way instead of selling books. smile.gif

Well, if the price move down to test that price, I will take that opportunity to buy the scottsdale bar I've been eyeing a long time.

But Like many people who mentioned again and again, SILVER is under priced, buying now is almost never wrong, how low can it go? Silver can drop to USD 20 per oz from USD 43? imagine how low gold can go? USD 1,880 to USD 50 per oz? It's like silver is at the bottom of the valley. Everyone should buy now, forget about your silver for 5 to 10 years, and come back to this forum and say "WOW!! Silver has appreciated in price SO MUCH!! I'm RICH!!"

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post Aug 22 2011, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Aug 22 2011, 01:37 PM)
Hello guys.

Can i buy 1 or 2 oz of silver every month. or u guys recommend i keep some money then buy in a bulk?
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Basic Answer to your question is, buying in bulk you get more discount sometimes. But if your bulk means 10oz or 20oz, then it doesn't count.

Buying per piece is a good way to save money, you may capture some really good price at the right time.

If you are not going to buy alot at once, I suggest you buy different coins and bars everytime, that way when you sell, your customer can have choice, or at least you won't be stuck with 1 stack of same coins (like 1 stack of russian roubles instead of some USD or RMB or RM or SGD)

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PS Please promote silver buying to your friends, I've convince many of my friend to start investing silver, physical silver please. If everyone buy silver instead of gold now, it will surely make lots of us rich!!
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post Aug 22 2011, 02:16 PM

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Hi guys!!

How about if my silver bars turn a little coppery? is there anyway to clean it?


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post Aug 22 2011, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:32 PM)
come on! it should have some pull back within these few days >.< i still wanna buy more cheap silver!
looking at current spike, is silver price manipulation over?
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Actually, if manipulation is over, silver price will shoot up. It's the big bank and country who is pushing down the price of silver. Else as many expert say, the silver is under priced now, so the natural way now is up.

Of course I'm no expert, but to hope it will come down to below USD 41 is a little too much to ask. Personally I was hoping the price will come down for me to buy another scottsdale prey bar and kilobar before it shoots up, but everyone in stock market or commodity market always have this wish.

Thought 1 : I wished I have bought more!! I would have made so much more. (Sounds the same as "I should have bought 1234 with 4D, now I will be rich!")
Thought 2 : I wish it will come down so I can buy and see if go up again. (Honestly, if you see the price drop to USD 41 or USD 40, you will probably still not buy thinking that it may go down even further)

and many more wishes. What I'm saying is, buy at your target price with SPARE CASH, Sell at your target price when it hit. Then forget about the market until you see a new trend again. Never regret and follow through your plan target.

Anyway, I still think silver is cheap, you should just go buy some more with your spare cash, and wait to sell it off to those who enter the market at USD 50 per oz. smile.gif yupee!!


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post Aug 23 2011, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzie73 @ Aug 23 2011, 03:12 AM)
I am planning to bring in some Scottsdale bars, just pending few more friends to confirm their order. If you wish to order, PM me your quantities. The price is going to be very good but cannot confirm until that few friends confirm their orders. Tentatively tomorrow evening (23/8) we will confirm all orders and get the price confirmed too.

But due to good demand, delivery lead time is expected to be 2-3 weeks. If we get a few orders from this forum, then we can make one date and gather at one place for collection once the goods arrived. Then we can have an informal gathering to get to know each other in person, face-to-face.

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Hey cruzzie,

It's a great suggestion and a good way to help each other out. But extremely difficult to organized.

May I suggest one of you dealers who are bringing bars and rounds to help us organize these "PURCHASE AT COST PRICE" or "BULK PURCHASE" website, so all who want to buy together can go to the website and place order trusting this person to bring in the goods, and at great price for us. Of course there won't be monetary benefit to this dealer MUCH, but at least he (1) gets to share his shipment cost and lower risk, (2) Buy his own stock at discounted price with all our orders, (3) gets to piggy bag onto adhoc lobang like someone making a trip to perth or singapore to bring back the silver at lower cost.

Just a suggestion, we might even agree on a fixed sum to pay to this person who organize this, but maybe not a lot, and the purchasing must be totally transparent, no hidden profit or sudden fee hike etc...

Anyone up to this? A website that will show spot price and the price of silver product, place and order, pay maybe 10% as deposit (so this person must be trusted by all) and we all get good price.

Of course on the other hand, many dealers here will be upset with this, but I'm sure there are more market out there and for those who missed the boat, they can still always buy 1 or 2 pcs from you.

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Sorry, sounds complicated?


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post Aug 23 2011, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(SRDCglobal @ Aug 23 2011, 10:36 AM)
To me, I think its kinda unfair to the someone(be it dealers or pure investors) who help everyone organize this bulk purchase.
Just a scenario, if the bulk purchase is 500oz and we get it at RM150/oz.
Total price will be RM75,000 and 10% deposit will only be RM7,500.
Means the person who helps everyone has to foot out RM67,500 without getting a single sen out of the rest?
Even if everyone is willing to pay a little extra(I don't think it will be a lot) it is still a risky transaction as the kind person has to foot out 90% for everyone first.
It would be fair if everyone pays the person who organize this whole thing in full before placing the order.

I don't mean to offend anyone here  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Don't worry, this is afterall a discussion and we are brainstorming for a good website.

Anyway, That's why the person who organise this should be a dealer himself, if some of them didn't pick up the shipment within certain period, the dealer can opt to sell it off at higher margin. The someone will be black listed, deposit forfeited. I'm sure if the price shoot up, everyone will want to collect. If the price come down, I think some of them will not pick up the shipment, the chances of this nice person lugi is high.

So how about a 20 - 30% deposit?

I'm saying if we adopt full payment model or even give a large profit to the person who organize this, then it's back to the normal trading model. nothing benefiting the member much. Also, what if the dealer run away with all the money? or some other scenario I can't think of.

Any ideas anyone? Just brain storming... more feedback please.

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post Aug 23 2011, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Aug 23 2011, 12:53 PM)
Sound a good idea but human being are difficult species to deal with.
In the past I have ask b4 to co-sharing of bullion purchase, nobody responded. that how i end up as a dealer.

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Hi Chan,

I was really hoping that you will be the one!! smile.gif At least you have the reputation and the site. But you are right, it is not easy at all, it will take a few people who really trust each other to get this to work seamlessly. I think some website which organize bulk purchase are doing these type of thing right? Maybe we can do what they do.

How about we do it another way? create a website with wish list and target price.
example :
- there are 5 members who had 1oz sunshine bar as their wish list
- total oz is 100 oz of these 5 members
- target price (everyone must give a range) of RM 160 each is met.
- A member or dealer who have lobang to buy at this price PLUS his own require qty of example 60 oz will get him some more discount.
- Every member in the wish list must confirm the purchase first with a sms,
- The dealer will create the ebay item for these member to log in to make payment within 24 hours
- Dealer go ahead to make the purchase, get the goods and hand it out to these members.

Additional benefits could be that these members decided they wanted more, the dealer can sell to them his extra stock. The dealer having got further discount, gets more profit, no risk as payment is made, and all the people get the target price they want.

Of course those with very low target price may never get a chance to buy having missed the boat.

How's that? smile.gif feedback anyone?

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post Aug 23 2011, 09:59 PM

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Many tried, the problem is very difficult to ask one by one who wants this bars or that coin leh... by the time finish asking, price run away already.

I know many brothers here want some coins, and some brothers want some bars, the trick is how to gather all their wants and needs in a short time or at one place.

Also, when you promise suppliers you have order for 100oz, then after he give discount, we buy 15, 20 oz adhoc, the supplier will be upset, and especially if one or two of them drop out or cannot take up the offer due to travelling to someplace.

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post Aug 24 2011, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:10 AM)
how about this:
1. we identify one supplier who is willing to work with us on tiering system
You can't identify only one supplier because you need to compare price and service. But maybe you can ask forumers around which supplier they have deal with and who they recommend. That'll save you lots of time to compare price as well as getting a recommended seller.
yes, of course, the "identifying" process would include comparing service and price. for the member who is also supplier here, anyone would like to propose your quotation? we will have a mini survey on your service smile.gif

2. we open the floor for everyone to tell how much each person wants to buy, for example i might wan 10oz while another member only want 1oz. add up this amount
3. set a cut off date for this ordering
4. give the list of member and quantity to supplier. supplier is responsible to deal with every member private with the group purchase price

two issues we need to solve here:
1. how to avoid member ffk that might upset supplier?
Ask for some monthly regular buyers. Those will less likely FFK.
nice, so the deposit will be directly given to supplier i assume.

2. how to determine the spot price as different member might have difference preference on the "buying" time
Do it on weekends when spot market is close.
feel free to refine these
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Let's say we have a website, with all registered member putting up what they want and at what price, at least anyone or any dealers can come in to see, match and close deals with us!! confirm the final pricing and we make payment individually to this dealer.

So instead of a website selling silver bars or coins, it's a website for all people like us who wants a coin or 100 oz of bars to put it up as "wanted", with price in mind, and sellers can come in and choose who they want to sell to at their price. hmmm..... sound workable?

It's a buyer's website, not seller website. does it make sense? This also helps dealers, as they no longer need to hunt or advertise all over the place, they just come in and find their customer at the right price.

Those buyer who put extremely low price from spot will probably never get the deal, or they are prevented from posting their wants. (example this member wants to buy 1oz canadian maples at RM 100 when spot price is at USD 40 per oz). The higher a buyer place in their wish list, the faster they get the deal.

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post Aug 24 2011, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(R.Galaxy VII @ Aug 24 2011, 05:29 PM)
Hi everyone, im a local supplier of gold and silver bar & coin..i supply in couple of ounces and also in bulk..The price i offer is cheaper than the market price..pm me if u r interested..
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You have a website? easier to browse and choose.

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Wow, never thought of it. That's why when I met goldchan to purchase his bar, he was quite unwilling to step into my car. But I turn out to be an honest guy. Lucky us.

So usually we can't meet at places to quiet, not in the car, not too crowded else everyone knows you carry lots of silver and cash, must be some place moderately crowded yet, quiet enough to talk and exchange goods. I would say coffee bean or some classy cafe?

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QUOTE(property101 @ Aug 25 2011, 02:28 AM)
Hi all, regarding the tier system bulk purchase, I have work out an Excel sheet for the plan.
This Excel sheet would capture the seller's details and the details of the products (obviously is silver in this case). The seller might be providing 1oz bar, 5 oz bar, 10oz bar, coins, tube of coin, Dirham etc. Whatever the seller is providing, just list down into the Excel file. Then seller should send the file back to me. I would later compile a list of seller and get feedback from the members here on their service or a review of the seller basically.
We might consider appointing 2-3 supplier, we use their service on a rotation basis, as I believe there are many people also are consistently buying silver like every month. Therefore there wouldn't be any seller 'monopolize' our forum market and while the first seller is busy handling the first round of bulk buying, the second seller can come in to take care of the second round of bulk buying.
Below are some screen shot of the Excel sheet I mentioned. I'm sure it can be further refined, but let's get this rolling:
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Seller if you are interested to work with us, please fill in the form and I will keep the members updated. Here is the Excel file:
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Thank you very much!


Added on August 25, 2011, 2:33 amAgain, basically this is how things would work
1. Identify sellers
2. Sellers give tier system quotation
3. Set a cut off date for bulk purchase
4. Buyers start placing order (understanding that the price might be differ due to not enough buyer to reach seller's tier price). Place 10% deposit at this point.
5. On cut off date, calculate total order. Confirm the price.
6. Seller close deal with buyer privately.
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This is great!! Let's get it rolling.. when it's ready. this few days is good as silver enters correction and profit taking phase. I also suggest that either buyer pays 10% deposit, or seller create a ebay item for these buyer to make a purchase, secure transaction is thus taken care of.

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Added on August 25, 2011, 9:39 amHey guys, I must admit, didn't expect to see silver below USD 41 and it fell down to even USD 39 while we were sleeping...

Hope this week is really consolidation phase, next week long holiday, they make sneak up on us and do USD 50, so keep vigilant!!

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Well, as we have all discussed, the only time pooling does not work is when the price go down after confirming order, but this is the time the seller knows who are the ones with integrity and who are the one not to be trusted. And then imagine if you did not buy at pooling price, you lose more than those pooled. smile.gif

Imagine, the other way round. If we pool at spot USD 40, we get prices at USD 39 and the spot went up to USD 43. everyone in the list makes a bundle, and 100% sure no one pull out of the deal.

so no matter how volatile a commodity is, pooling always gets extra discount, which always benefit the buyer.

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Added on August 25, 2011, 11:43 am
QUOTE(benedict1213 @ Aug 25 2011, 10:54 AM)
hmmmm.. i would not suggest to do anything today cause i am looking for consolidate or a little downward to end the bearish momentum...
Silver may or may not retest lower target, USD37.50-USD38.50.
Top side potential USD45-46 next month!
I would advised to pay intention to Gold too. Opportunity from the drop!
Strong support at USD1720-35...  best wishes!  biggrin.gif
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Yup, I guess not doing anything today means keep watching the price movement! smile.gif

Looking at the chart, it broke thru USD 41, the next support level is USD 37.50, and the final support level (heaven forbid) is USD 34. Without strong fundamental news pushing it down, it shouldn't even break the second support level as mentioned by benedict1213 at USD 37.50.

I think some strong bank or country is artificially pushing the price down, so as to grab the lowest price with huge purchase. Since prices of gold and silver is falling without some news supporting it, and I have checked many suppliers are out of GOLD, This week is as the expert says, correction and profit taking.

For people like us, a chance to do shopping. Anyway, watch out for price jump when asia sleep, those western country like to catch us while we sleep. sad.gif




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QUOTE(getsmart @ Aug 25 2011, 11:56 AM)
Hi, i'm new to silver investing but have some paper gold.

I usually see gold price (i think for silver too) drops when the stocks goes up.
So i'm waiting for that to happen maybe next month or when QE3 if there is one is announced.
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Hi, don't buy paper gold or silver, buy the real physical one. This way, the actual supply will become more in demand and the price goes up. paper gold or silver is no guarrantee, the bank close down, your account all gone also.

Good luck!! on your silver venture.

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 25 2011, 03:31 PM)
++1, exactly, that was my reply here long long time ago. No need to think, just get from 1stop gold, n yet some newbies keep on asking n asking again  yawn.gif
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You can't blame them/us (I'm still newbie status), one of the forumner told me he took 3 days to finish reading all the post, and by the time he is convinced, the price went up. So naturally, the fastest and laziest way to find out is to ask.

I suggest those who is very active here put up those website and recommendation where to buy what as their signature, this might help a little. But it may seem like an advertisement. smile.gif

chef

Anyone knows where is the best place to buy GOLD? cheap and recognised (like PAMP) bars, 10g, 20g, 50g and offer buy back also? smile.gif


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QUOTE(arrsoo @ Aug 25 2011, 03:50 PM)
chef,

PAMP gold bar?  look no further....1stopgold as well  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

sometime i also hesitate to mention 1stopgold too often as it will sounds like advertising for them but they are the best place to get PAMP Suisse for gold and silver la.... I have surveyed every corner liao!
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Hi Soo,

I know 1stopgold, but they can't be the only source of gold bars! I recommended mysmartgold but they are out of stock, so I just like to know from everyone here who have some stock in gold bars, where else can I buy gold bars that is not too far from spot and can be trusted to buy back. So far here's what I know :

1stopgold : price slightly higher than mysmartgold
mysmartgold : price is acceptable, they are hong cheong watch and jewellery I think, but they are out of stock for small bars
Poh Kong : Only sell their own brand mostly, and they buy back at 12% below spot rate.

any other? how about UOB? heard they are supplying gold bar at good price? but only at certain location is it?

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QUOTE(khun_khun @ Aug 25 2011, 07:08 PM)
any of you buy from 1stopgold before?

i heard we need some kind of form contains our personal information. is that true?
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Yup, their place looks very secure, kind of like a bank vault or deposit box. I went there to open account, got to provide proof and sign some papers, they need to be sure because after that, they allow you to order by phone calls. So if they are going to trust you to sell you and buy from you gold and silver, naturally they need your info.

If you are worried about these dealers who are careful and you prefer china man style, go to hong cheong (mysmartgold) and buy from them, I think they ask less question, deal in their shop and very fast in cash. no question asked.

You can't have both world meet in the middle smile.gif


Added on August 25, 2011, 7:36 pm
QUOTE(beginner2011 @ Aug 25 2011, 05:52 PM)
guys, this forum is for silver investment la ... not gold investment !  cool2.gif
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Sorry, I was the one who started asking.

But you know, many of us here are either "already invested in gold" and now looking to go into silver, or "will be upgrading from silver to gold soon" when finance allow. So sooner or later, we will move back and forth between these precious metal, and maybe into platinum....one day...

o.k. back to silver topic...

Hey guys!! and gals (I don't think there are gals here)

Anyone knows besides ebay and the original seller, anywhere else we could easily sell off our silver horde? I mean if I really needed the money and want to sell off my stock quickly, is there some place who is willing to buy at the least discount from spot?

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QUOTE(getsmart @ Aug 25 2011, 07:56 PM)

@chef
As someone already suggest, we buy to keep as hedge for inflation. Use money you can do without, not your emergency cash.
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Ha ha, I think that someone was me.

Anyway, I was asking, in case these really spare cash is suddenly needed (like hospitalised or accident) and we need it liquidated fast. Any ideas or place?


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