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post Dec 17 2009, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 17 2009, 05:53 PM)
ESPN HD UK uses 1080i, just like Sky HD does. Malaysia is a PAL region, not NTSC like US is. 720p for sport channels are only common in the US, and even that, not all broadcasters uses 720p for sports (example: CBS). In other places outside US, huge majority of sport channels uses 1080i, because that's the best resolution. The link you have is more relevant in NTSC US than other places around the world that uses PAL.

In Malaysia's context, which one will be better? ESPN HD UK (1080i) that has English Premier League matches or ESPN HD US (720p) that mostly have only America-eccentric timeout-laden sports like basketball and American football? I am pretty damn sure that ESPN HD in Astro will have more contents from the former than the latter.
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Even so, the fact remains that 720p is more suited for fast moving scene (which is sport) than 1080i. If Astro had to use 1080i for sport, its most likely because the source is of that format, but not because 1080i is better suited for sport.

After reading more, I'm pretty convinced that 720p is well suited for live action sports, while 1080i would be better for movies/tv shows.
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post Dec 17 2009, 10:39 PM

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If my HDTV could de-interlace properly, I would be gladly be using 1080i to watch movies & tv shows.

I have yet to see how Astro Byond is going to handle live events at 1080i but should the difference be minimal, I probably won't care much (also, I hate sports, so I'm less concern about it).

I'm just trying to get some fact straight about the whole 720p vs 1080i.
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post Dec 18 2009, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 18 2009, 12:02 AM)
How could you tell if the hdtv couldnt deinterlace properly?
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Easy to spot. Just watch at close range for the images to distort. The effect should look like this:

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QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 17 2009, 11:25 PM)
The fact that almost no sport channels outside US uses 720p also remains. If you know of any, can you tell me the channel name and the transponder too? I actually tried to find 720p sport channels outside America and didn't find any. What I have found is that National Geographic HD is 720p across the world.
That is still debatable. Just because ESPN UK uses 1080i doesn't mean the whole world will follow suit. It could be different from country to country, depending on the broadcaster. I got info (but not sure how accurate) from wikipedia about ESPN HD in Australia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_Australia

Another one, read up about the ESPN HD.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/01/foxtels_...wn_around_room/

So, I think its wrong to say there are no sport channels outside US that uses 720p.

By the way Sky TV HD also supports 720p, not just 1080i. This is according to their website:

http://packages.sky.com/hd/faqs/


QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 17 2009, 11:25 PM)
Considering that 1080i and 720p has similar bandwidth consumption, why on earth Sky and ESPN records Premiership matches with 1080i? Especially when almost all HDTVs are progressive?
Who knows, it could be Sky prefer picture quality over better frame rates? But if 1080i is better, why would ESPN HD in US go for 720p instead of 1080i? So even that is debatable.

QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 17 2009, 11:25 PM)
It is all good on paper, 720p being superior than 1080i, but in the real world 1080i trumps 720p in most cases when it comes to fast-paced scenes.
How is it 1080i trumps 720p for face-paced scenes? Can you provide me any evidence of such statement because I haven't found any website that supports the idea that 1080i is great for fast-paced scenes.


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post Dec 18 2009, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 18 2009, 02:52 AM)
ESPN HD in Australia is basically the same as ESPN HD US, therefore it is not surprising that it also uses 720p. It wasn't surprising really, as you can see Derek Rae and Tommy Smyth on that channel. The ESPN in SEA is heavily customized (that's why we don't see Tommy Smyth here, but we can see the likes of John Dykes and co. instead).
It doesn't matter what sort of ESPN source Australia gets, at the end of the day 720p sport broadcasting do exist outside of US.

QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 18 2009, 02:52 AM)
Sky TV supports 720p on STB level, not on broadcast level. Meaning, viewers who wants to see Chelsea vs Arsenal in 720p in Sky Sport HD will set it in their STB and the STB will convert it to their preferences. Still broadcasted in 1080i though.
Then the 720p from Sky suffers loss of framerates since the source is from a 1080i.


QUOTE(asellus @ Dec 18 2009, 02:52 AM)
If you hang around in internet forums that specialized in broadcasting, home theaters etc. it is accepted that 1080i is preferred than 720p for sports.

For example, NBA in CBS looks better than in FOX because it looks sharper, although of course some people disputes this. The whitepapers may say that 720p is better for sports, but in the real world, 1080i trumped 720p when it comes to performance at the same bitrates, according to viewers feedback. The larger number of HD sport channels that uses 1080i compared to those with 720p confirms that.
Like I said before, please provide me links. I already checked forums on 720p vs 1080i debate and it all comes down to the same conclusion that sport = 720p, movies = 1080i.



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post Dec 18 2009, 04:59 PM

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Yup. April 2010 is where they start charging, and you are bound to it until April 2011.

Still have not receive any calls from Astro installer though.
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post Dec 18 2009, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(kuokhong @ Dec 18 2009, 05:19 PM)
i got my B.yond today . kudos astro very fast service .  i subscribe yesterday ,  confirm yesterday , and installation today
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How about some reviews? More snapshots of the decoder / dish.

Also, do the dish point the same angle as old Astro?
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post Dec 18 2009, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 18 2009, 09:13 PM)
u mean locking certain channel with password..is it?
this i may need to get the decoder and try
if i'm not wrong....this decoder have a different "theme" or system
different compare to our previous decoder
I think he meant the annoying letter that kept appearing on screen.

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post Dec 19 2009, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 19 2009, 12:06 PM)
I am on the same boat as yours. Registered on the first day , still waiting a call from the installer. Its just me , I always get the worst installers for :-

1. streamyx
2. Astro

and everything else !
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Can you move a bit and give space for me? I also want to go in the same boat. shakehead.gif
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post Dec 19 2009, 03:49 PM

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Do Astro installer work on weekends (Sunday)?
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post Dec 20 2009, 11:25 AM

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I register on Friday the 11th online, got 1st call on 12th, then got 2nd & 3rd call on 16th. Till now no news from installer.
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post Dec 20 2009, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Dec 20 2009, 12:41 PM)
OMG!!! you order on Monday,, but today already got byond...
I order since their first launch on Friday.., but until now installer still not call me...
I think la, astro only install byond first for the user who stay within Klang Valley...
for outside klang valley.. it will take a long time because maybe byond set still not arrive to the installer outside Klang Valley...


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I think, you're an engineer in the satellite broadcast...
you seem very known about this things...
and your post also very informative....  thumbup.gif
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Maybe that explains why mine is taking longer with me being in Sarawak.
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post Dec 20 2009, 01:40 PM

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The submarine advert was silly. They could have done more by explaining the advantage of Byond in terms of picture quality & features. What a waste.
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post Dec 21 2009, 07:39 AM

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Can you use an unbranded 'ahem' normal old astro remote on the Byond decoder?

I don't like having the new remote to be in the hands of kids given how they love to throw stuff.
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post Dec 21 2009, 09:35 AM

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Anyone with Byond can comment on the reception during heavy rain? Got same issue with loss of signal or has the slightly larger dish improve it?
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post Dec 21 2009, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Dec 21 2009, 11:14 AM)
I've got a mate who works for Astro and they have given a 6months trial of this HD content and he's less than satisfied with the HD channels..barely far better than actual hd videos
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But it is still far better than SD channels.
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post Dec 21 2009, 01:24 PM

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I think I'll give them a call later. If the 2 weeks after Klang Valley are true, it is unacceptable.
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post Dec 21 2009, 02:38 PM

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AstInst,

Any ideas on the silly codes that kept appearing on screen from time to time? They say its for security reason but I don't understand how this security works.
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post Dec 21 2009, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(LCP @ Dec 21 2009, 02:46 PM)
Agreed, years ago, I had to personally stand beside the installer when he was aligning my dish and I insisted that he does it thoroughly. I don't have much problem with rain fade except during the heaviest rain or the biggest blackest baddest cloud is in the way... tongue.gif

So, how do we ensure that the installer are doing a good job in aligning the dishes, especially now that they know the new dish can easily give out higher signal amplitude? They just align it "roughly", couldn't be careless. Their lackadaisal attitude has to go...
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I have seen one installer try to set up a dish without using the satellite alighment device. They simply aim it until we get the signal. doh.gif


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post Dec 21 2009, 08:06 PM

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Just called Astro on my Byond. They said they have yet to assign an installer for me.

Aiyaaaaa...
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post Dec 22 2009, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Razaelx @ Dec 22 2009, 11:18 AM)
question:
for all the other SD channels, had astro fix the aspect ratio to 16:9 ,so that the actors will look normal instead of the 'fat/streched' look we have now ?
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You cannot make SD channels, which all are filmed at 4:3, to become 16:9.

Only way they can do it without trying to fat/streched is to ZOOM in the 4:3 until the sides fills up the black pillar box. But then it means the top and bottom of the 4:3 picture will be crop up. Not to mention it becomes more pixalated.

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