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post Dec 19 2009, 12:08 AM

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mmm, i just wish they bring in MTV HD asap.... this is what i want =D, music videos in HD, live performances in HD.... wooo
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post Dec 19 2009, 12:16 AM

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At the meantime, why not look at some bitrate details of HD channels in the UK: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/satellit...v_bit_rates.php

Note: Our NGC HD is a direct telecast from UK's NGC HD
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post Dec 19 2009, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Dec 19 2009, 01:31 AM)
very informative clip, esp the capacity utilization part by the english man
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post Dec 19 2009, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(sil3ntHunt3r @ Dec 19 2009, 03:20 PM)
But the problem is that most condo management does not allow resident to install their own dish..need to use centralize dish..
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install first and then once the centralize dish is ready, then you can change to that lol...if the management argue, u tell them that!
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post Dec 19 2009, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Dec 19 2009, 04:52 PM)
wah... just 10-20 mins...
really fast... last time when i changing from normal decoder to astro max..,
it takes about 2 days to activate my new account... blink.gif


Added on December 19, 2009, 4:53 pm

i really wanna change the everything.. because my current dish and cable now already 8 years old...
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yeah same...mine has been 8 years as well... if can change for free why not....furthermore, i was told back then by the astro worker when troubleshooting my cables that some parts of the cable was bitten by rats =__=...
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post Dec 19 2009, 07:42 PM

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twl, go play with the usb and ethernet port, plug to ure pc or try plugging a thumbdrive in, ...see what happens =D ... though i would expect nothing will happen LOL
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post Dec 19 2009, 10:08 PM

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sigh u guys are so fast...when will it be my turn? sad.gif hope they call tmr!!!
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post Dec 20 2009, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Dec 20 2009, 01:25 AM)
Two totally different satellites. If you look at the Measat website it tells you all about them.

http://www.measat.com/satellite_91e_measat3_ku.html
http://www.measat.com/satellite_91e_measat3a_ku.html

Measat 3 has 24 Ku band transponders but I don't know how many Measat 3a has, Measat 3 transponders all broadcast in the low frequency range and Measat 3a transponders are all in the high frequency range.

Astro has 12 transponders on Measat 3 and only 1 in use on Measat 3a, I assume that they will put the next HD channels they promised on Measat 3a.

For the full listing of Measat 3 see http://satcodx3.tele-satellite.com/0915/eng/. Measat 3a is so new that it is not yet listed.

BTW: the other 12 Ku band transponders on Measat 3, all the horizontal ones, are pointed at India. see http://satcodx3.tele-satellite.com/0917/eng/
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very good link you've provided...its such a shame looking at the low bitrate they are currently broadcasting... mostly all below SVCD bitrate..... and those mpeg-4 feed is even worst.... VCD birate slightly above.... =_=
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post Dec 20 2009, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Dec 20 2009, 02:14 AM)
You should ignore the bitrate, this is either a worst case or average. Typically satellite broadcasters use statistical multiplexing to share the total available bitrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_multiplexing).

This means that a listing of 2Mbits/s could peak at 8Mbits/s and get as low a 2Mbits/s, depending on the action on screen. You often see a deliberate mix of channels on a transponder to share the action, a transponder full of sport would look terrible whilst a mix of sport and documentaries would look better.

MPEG 4 is at least 4 times more better than MPEG 2 so a 1 Mbit/s MPEG 4 is as good as a 4 Mbit/s MPEG 2.

A VCD is on a 1.150 Mbits/s fixed bit rate MPEG 2 whilst a DVD is on a variable bitrate MPEG2 up to 5 Mbits/s. VCD as a result struggle to cope with any action on screen whilst a DVD will only struggle with a sustained action sequence of many minutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_CD
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ahh i see, but i have a feeling that those bitrate listed are average case... its kinda justified after watching those channels for so long... lol... im not surprised that the bitrate is low, but i was really suppose the bitrate went far beyond this low...
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post Dec 20 2009, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Dec 20 2009, 10:23 AM)
Yes, Satcodx is a site ran by enthusiasts so it is only as up to date as the team keep it.

Most data is auto scanned by a PC with a satellite card and the data posted online when changes occur. Looking at the data it looks as though the person doing the autoscan is in Indonesia this could indicate two reasons as to why Measat 3a is not listed.

1. The Measat 3a footprint is very closely aligned with Malaysia, they may simply be outside the footprint.
2. The equipment is usually in someones home and the individual scanning Measat 3a could be in a communal feed building. In this case their equipment would never see Measat 3a for the same reasons that Astro B.yond cannot be installed. (See my previous post)

Even with missing data, the site is very useful....

The date of the scan is quite obvious due to presence of BBCE! ;-)

Depending on how and when the autoscan occurs the video bitrate will be different, from memory the SatCoDX site shows the lowest bitrate of the transmission during the autoscan period, hence the bitrates mentioned should be given little regard and will vary month on month.
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nice... judging by all the scans they could do, they can watch those channels for life lol. Also its still questionable how they could get to bypass most encrypted channels to scan for all these statistics, unless they have good insiders brows.gif
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post Dec 20 2009, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 20 2009, 10:35 AM)
check this site for more updated listings
http://www.asiatvro.com/channel/index.html
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aiks...banana here... would refer to http://lyngsat.com
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post Dec 20 2009, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Dec 20 2009, 10:47 AM)
To scan the channels you do not need to decrypt them and it does not follow that you can view them.

The data you see is transmitted as DVB SI (Digital Video Broadcasting Service Information), this is unencrypted and is used to describe the channels so the decoder can receive them and only then start decryption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Video_Broadcasting

If you want do this yourself buy a PC Satellite card such as WinTV-DVB-s from Hauppage, see http://www.hauppauge.com/html/dvb_s.htm. You will be able to look at all the SI data you can eat, but able to watch nothing as these PC cards dont have any decryption at all.
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ah those... i did consider buying it, but looking at the situation... at most i could view is fta channels or maybe neighbouring country sats... but its really problematic when it comes to the dish...i dont live in a secluded area... cant take such risk

i didnt know they have the SI thing, now it clears my misconception =), thanks!
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post Dec 20 2009, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Dec 20 2009, 02:07 PM)
Wah... astro byond already released their commercial...
i really2 donno... in what channel they frequently show it?
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i didnt catch it on the tv, watched it thru their website, they have put the video on the byond page
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post Dec 20 2009, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ares187 @ Dec 20 2009, 08:15 PM)
Got my astro byond fixed today at 3.30 pm , he called me at 2.30 pm to ask if he can come today and i said okie , he came one hour later . Fixed it and its working fine . Hope for more HD channels soon . I called last friday to subscribe and got it fixed today .
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very nice for you, i also subscribed on fri... still waiting for my turn though yawn.gif ...


Added on December 20, 2009, 8:27 pm
QUOTE(boxsystem @ Dec 20 2009, 06:00 PM)
Wow, I thought I have cleared the explanation on HBO years ago in an another one of ASTRO's thread.

Same movies playing all over again? Blame HBO not ASTRO. ASTRO is just only paying for their rights to broadcast it all over Malaysia. They don't have any control on which and what movies to be played and whatnot. Same goes to ESPN, Star Movies, Cinemax and others.

We/you can only blame ASTRO for its poor customer service and bad receptions whenever it pours. Well, maybe some of us need to read that with KU-band, we are prone to be having interrupted signals and whatnot. KU-band is more suitable to be broadcasted over countries which aren't having heavy rains. Try to google around.

I've been working for ASTRO in the past and now working for company which mingle around with satellite and receptions has helped me in understanding the nature of this type of technology.
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thats the thing, no matter what the prob is, the customers will all blame astro... hbo is not even a channel made by astro to begin with...how could they control their channels programming? the only thing astro can do is complain to hbo lol....

This post has been edited by kaspersky-fan: Dec 20 2009, 08:27 PM
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post Dec 21 2009, 01:10 AM

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they are very smart to consider that, but how sure are they HSBB will be available everywhere? and how sure are they TMNUT will not throttle their connection to deliver such content to astro subscribers? TMNUT enjoys throttling whatever that is against their way lol
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post Dec 21 2009, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Dec 21 2009, 11:14 AM)
I've got a mate who works for Astro and they have given a 6months trial of this HD content and he's less than satisfied with the HD channels..barely far better than actual hd videos
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It not unusual, being a satellite tv provider, bandwidth is indeed the main constraint here.

In europe, MTVN HD that was broadcasted at 13Mbps average has dropped to 6.3Mbps with heavy smoothing effect.

In usa, their satellite tv provider that used to broadcast MHD(now known as Palladia), broadcasted at 17-18Mbps using MPEG-2 dropped to as low as 5-6Mbps using H264 (eventhough their bitrate is that low, they are able to show details in the picture, unlike MTVN HD :/ ).


So from the beginning now, maybe you would expect great quality from astro, perhaps on average 11-12Mbps per channel (or maybe 8-9Mbps...astro insider, do tell tongue.gif). As they add more... they would reduce the bitrate. If your friend there isnt happy with the current quality, then i'm afraid for the coming years, he/she would get even more disappointed whistling.gif

Of course the actual hd videos will be far better because they are around 25-30Mbps MPEG-2 or H264.

Also, in the usa, while satellite companies broadcast Palladia in H264 5-6Mbps, the cable companies broadcast the same channel in MPEG-2 at 17-18Mbps... (fuseHD is broadcasted in MPEG-2 at 17-18Mbps as well but their peak bitrate is 60Mbps.... damn those cable companies!)

So if you think you want better quality with HD, our only hope now will be TMnet's IPTV.... we need to stay tuned for that rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 21 2009, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 21 2009, 01:13 PM)
Yeah the HD channels are free for now. Anyway here is the thing , for those who did not get calls. Call up ASTRO , give them their account number and tell them that other folks in your area got it installed and ask them to forward this case to the manager or something. Thats what I did and now I'm waiting a call from their level 2 support them , hope they can escalate it and fix it up.

So , if you're like me. Call up and hopefully they can get it forwarded and fixed as soon as possible. I am waiting for the call from ASTRO. I'll keep you guys updated. Dont worry , it has happened to me a lot of times with TM and in fact other companies. So I am pretty used to it !
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Yeah after reading your post...i've decided to call too, lets wait and see (patiently) sweat.gif
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post Dec 21 2009, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Dec 21 2009, 02:10 PM)
Yes, MPEG 2 with zero compression looks fantastic, but in the USA they have to compress to 2 HD channels per transponder using MPEG 2 on DVB-S, this limits them to about 18Mbits, which does look terrible!

(technically MPEG 2 can be a pure I frame sequence, at which point it is like a stream of full frame jpeg photos, looks amazing but you need 200Mbits/s for that, this is mostly used in HD production and digital cinema)
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Why is mpeg-2 at 18Mbps bad? It really depends on the media type...if its full of action, flashing lights etc...then yes its bad... esp for concert with lights flashing, fire blasting etc.... but it looks nice for a normal motion music video =D

Anyway, lets hope astro maintains this good quality for a long time!!! =)
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 22 2009, 10:33 AM)
Your clarification is sound and valid but only from the Astro perspective. But on the other side of the coin, consumers signed contract with Astro and pay Astro directly for the service rendered. Thus, logically Astro subscribers can only complain Astro and not HBO etc. Applying pressure to Astro for broadcasting repeating programmes is necessary because only Astro being the direct content buyer can re-negotiate with its content providers to reduce the repeating programmes.
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I think repeating the programs are good for those who dont have time sitting infront of the telly 24/7. For those who do, pls go out and do something fun, theres much more things you can do in life rather than being a potato couch. And what the hell, Astro can negotiate with the content providers, but HBO is not just for Malaysia, its the whole asian region. If you insist rescheduling, astro would need to cooperate with hbo to set up hbo malaysia, and that costs money. If you expect every channel to be this way, the fees will be very expensive since you guys want exclusive treatment. Heck even I want MTV to repeat more "non stop hits" rather than playing their cheesy reality shows/dramas, but its MTVasia, not MTV Malaysia... what I could probably do is at most tune in to [v]/hitz or best of all, get my own off the internet.
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post Dec 22 2009, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Dec 22 2009, 11:43 AM)
Yeah .. all msian company sux.

I wonder why people don't even bother to read on the posts a few pages back. I remembered someone literally explaining regarding 1080p and 1080i standards. How BD differs? How 1080p isn't even being broadcast live in any part in the world and how it consumes bandwidth.

Sure, you can get 1080p quality but all are after market products.
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Lol not to mention... how providers love twisting it, 1080i in US's directv has become 1440x1080i, not 1920x1080i (some channels).

Imagine when finally some provider broadcast 1080p... yeah its 1080p, but its 1440x1080p lol... or to even save cost, 1280x1080p.

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