i sort of understand how it feels like when Winner is facing his father. at this point, i sympathize TS's situation.

as a son, you cannot just do whatever you like. as a son, you cannot just run all out just for a girl. it's very hard to make a decision. those who never have this experience before of course can talk very easy.

on the other hand, there's no single father/mother in the world will make use of the son like a machine or tool. i believe, deep down in TS father's heart, he just want him to not make a failed step in his life. not the best way to show his love, but nevertheless, he's trying to give the best to his son.

Winner, at this point, i can't give you definite suggestion on the "correct" path. things might or might not work out, and you might spend another few years and end up nothing. but most important thing is, if you truely love her, you shouldn't feel regret whatsoever.

And I would say, Winner, think what and how you should do before you really take action. Think on her behalf and think about the consequences before you approach her again. Adapt the appropriate ways to handle this relationship. Do not make mistakes again.

Learn how to manage your time well. Learn how to honor your parents. Learn how not to obey blindly.

I once forsaken what I initially have, just for my parents, so I understand how you feel. I no longer have it now but yeah, I have no regret cos I have thought of it thoroughly and I know this is the right decision to forsake it, so that my parents have no care about me.

Winner, remember if you really go for her this time, the consequence may not as what you want it to be. If you fail to win her heart back, it's ok. At least you have tried your best. Set her free. She will have a happy life, too.

hey bro.....from the tone of ur talk....i kinda feel that u still have significant feeling for her which i think u feel that u may made the wrong choice by breaking up with her....just wanna wish u all the best n try to mend the relationship back to usual if possible or to learn from ur mistake....just do wat u think is correct n that u wont regret over it.....god bless~

from me n my gf~~

about ur gf wearing one piece of dark coloured swimming suit, your comments on her is really depressing..

if i were her, i would have cried for days and nights.
remember, girls can be look normal to the whole world, but they alwaz wanna appear to be the most beautiful person to their loved ones.

and you see, that is the reason why she got you to shop for her dress!...
not to end up, her not being the best for you (the swimsuit)

also, she is not born in a VIP family like you. so, it is more stressful for her to keep up with all the pressures & expectations (includes getting her golf membership) from your family, VIPs, and you. so, you think you were pressured to teach her golf slowly & patiently? how bout her self-esteem?
& picking up activities that are not her interest at all.
then why not you sign package on the activities which she is interested & accompany her?
where is the COMPROMISE?
if you can't even go shopping with her (her interest), but she have to play golf, swim, gym.

if you choose to get her back, can i get a favor from you?
give her time at least 5-10 mins A DAY.
it's simple, just don't see it as a job.. you can call her when having lunch, etc.

lastly, good luck..
remember, another half of your life is to spend with your love one (if you lucky enough), not your dad's expectation (winner in everything)
talk nicely with your dad.

there may be times we need to surrender to our feelings. need a cry, cry. need to talk, talk. put your ego aside, Mr. winner.
i'm sorry if my reply is too out-dated
i just finish my exam & it's already 15pages past this topic!

dear ts, it's time to settle down...i would really love to see ur story hv a happy ending....

gosh I read the first 10page, too.
Honestly, if I am your gf, I would have dumped you before the relationship even reaches 1 year.

Come on,even after 8 years you  "never know which was her primary, secondary school and favourite places, I would have explored her childhood with her." u don't date 8 years for nothing.

It seems like she really got nothing...no undestandings , no love and care, no one call away bf, no one to gossip and share life's ups and downs 247. Gosh, I WON'T want to be in her shoes.

Her family probably hated u, too, and could've advised her to break up with u secretly, but she stayed on, and never put any pressure on u. But U instead, pressured her to "fit in", indirectly (through your teachings).

And to me, she was practically single throughout the 3 years u did ur PHD. U're relationship IS DYSFUNCTIONAL from the start. 5minutes a week.. nono, ur relationship  by right is less than even 5years..from the amount u spend/communicate with each other.

Seldom guy will understand about this.. normally they will get frustrated and annoyed easily when we girl ask them abt the dress/clothes opinion.. so if u r guy then u r quite different.. 

well, if i m TS's gf i think i may just throw back the credit card that he give to me n tell him "wat i need is love n caring from a guy NOT money.. even i need to buy tat expensive dress i can pay by myself.. Now i no need ur credit card n u anymore"

Yes, I was arrogant. I always compared her with others' GF, especially my comrades and other VIP's sons. I could not afford to lose face to see others sexy GF, but my own GF was merely wearing a one-piece swim suit. I could not agree with her doing badly in golf after heavy investment in her. But now, I regret.

Yes, I will spend time with her

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Added on December 5, 2009, 10:00 am

Thanks for your courage!

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Added on December 5, 2009, 10:05 am

I confess myself not a good BF. I'm changing. Thanks for your wake up call.

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Added on December 5, 2009, 10:09 am

Stop disgracing her! You are such a materialistic girl!

1 word no offense, TS you are kiasu, you are afraid of losing, the part where you compare GFs shows that, you are looking down on people who are not as rich as u are, and you dislike the fact that you are hav a gf that does not suit your wealth level.

I suggest move on TS, and good luck on your career, may you find someone suitable for you in the future.

how was your reconciliation ?

theWinner, have you ever thought that you both are not suitable to each other?

But if you both really truly still love each other, then it's another case. From what you are telling here, seems like you want to compensate than to love her.

Sometimes, let go isn't a bad thing.

你有什么资格骂我婆婆妈妈？我的心情也不很好，如果你要骂战的话，放马过来!
Who are you to scold me fussy? I'm not in good mood too so if you want to have flame war, please come!

chill chill no point arguing here.. lets help him.

Winner, you don't like to watch a movie & suddenly the DVD got jammed when it is at climax, do you?

so, please remove "to be continued" and.. continue the news.

so far, from your update, she is doing great. As a girl, I'm proud of her

From the update, sounds like you are in peril.

As i see from the update, your ex ( i presume), now with another guy? Correct?

because we only have simple mind. to solve your problem. to help you out.

that is the reason why you are in CC.

yes, i hate you. i hate to have such BF too. BUT, you are not my BF now.. so, i still can give a piece of advise.

hate you doesn't mean not to clear you.. then there will be more and more guys like you in the world. - not why god created us.

my ex BF, i hate him. he treated me similiar like you do to your GF.

difference is that, i don't get sweet words, i got get money from him. all advantage, i don't get. only got all shits!.

so, i tell myself to do better and better. (your EX's path too)

actually, your situation now (regret) is what i am looking forward to see in my ex.

i'm not sure whether i have the chance that the day will come or never happen.

but when i see it happen on you, i am still concern to help you out. if were him, i would be glad. because he did too much hurt to me.

I'm waiting for the story, Winner.

i'm a guy and u are terrible~ if I were given a chance to select who dies next in death's list (final destination, lol), I will undoubtedly select u~

I've been keeping track of this thread. And now, i wanna voice out my opinion as a girl and also having a traditionalist father.

Yes, i must say that you're selfish, self-centered, arrogant, egoistic... Just like my father. Everything must be about himself, himself, himself. Men and wealth, must be powerful. 'Kiasu', definitely yes.

My brother is the only son in the family. Absolutely, he loves him more than me and my younger sister. I'm sure my mother, my sister and i won't get a penny if he dies.

Ooh how i loathe you so much!

P/S: I must suggest you to marry a woman from a royal family instead.

I so dont get the Alice/Winne part. Your ex got split personality disorder now?

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Added on December 6, 2009, 8:39 am
by the way...now she got bf ..... i think u better wish them happiness .... dont because of your dad scolding you that you are failure because of your past project , and u wanna get sympathy from her( sorry, but i really feel that u wanna get sympathy from her)....  you should get on your life without her if she dont love you

mehhhhh , TS u really ...... 

come back n argue with dad onli then dun even know whether u already patched up onot ?

leave the gal la .... u makin ppl's life worse .... obviously she might had some feeling kept towards u but she cant b sure thr future is clear ... u urself cant even b sure u could change ... even if u changed,would u b happy? forcing urself to change will eventually make u behave weirder n this will led to more arguement , disappointment .... at last problem arise again ...

y go n make other ppl confuse n stressed .... if this story is real , all i can c is tht u wan to get bek someone u lost , u felt tht u shudnt lose anything ... but if ur real name is "winner" .... i'd said u already lose , its a laughing joke when everyone c ur namecard with tht pathetic name printed on. u said ur gf appearance make u lose face ... pls go ask bout those ppl who laugh their ass off when they know ur name ... "winner"? muahahaha

frankly , im doing business as well althou not as "BIG" as ur dad .... if im earning 50k pm , im very happy ... but to me doin business is always about maturity , trust .... with a name like "winner" , im somehow skeptical those super rich big boss would have trust on u ... at least if u approach them urself ( now u got ur dad , they ok la ) ... i oways wonder y got ppl put their name "winner","billion","million","money","king","queen",    ... feng shui izzit?

dude..there is someone who willin just be her rescue boat.

but for your case, i think u need to reasses yourself...of all you did n commented here so do include our view.

her father was right, you know her too well & you neglected her WAY TOO MUCH..

just give it sometime, n PLEASE GO CHANGE YOURSELF & STOP BEING UNDER DADS SHADOW.

she is tired, coping with her sister sickness & her work. she need someone supporting her, days like you were in college or before your degree.

remember, it takes 2 to dance well...

hope your current persistence can lasts even after she got back with you.

this is your promise to her, remember

p/s: i kelien james. aih.

hehe..agree with u..

also confused with the winnie/alice and some other parts..you really could have told the story better, especially with your years overseas n all..

you never know who james is. but that is not the point here.

he is also a human with feelings, even if he is not related to you. *humanity*

he protected his gf and punched you for hugging his gf (a right action), end up kena scold by his gf.
sometimes, concern or initiative to know who she mix with, can be sweet and means you care for her.

something that can't lack of.

from my point of view.

hey doc..actually, with your qualification, you should not have any problem with your career. i mean, u've got a wealthy family (i assume)..and with your experience in work, u can get another good job in other companies should you choose to leave yr family business..but i think u're tied up because you don't wanna let yr dad down isn't it?
try to spend time with her..a girl who waited you for 8 years, and still loving you (and vice versa) is definitely worth to marry..you may wanna put yr job down for a moment and be with her when she needs you the most.

the above is purely my suggestion as an observer judging on facts provided by you

She luv u but can't bear the pain of not having u ard her. well, if u were 2stay at MY, 4sure she'l wiv u. u hav chosen, as well as her, when u left MY

Winner, LOVE is so powerful and awesome, that could help you humble yourselves to pursue her.

But, I must say that Low Yat fellows here are rather powerful and awesome, with only 20 pages, they are able to convert you to become a person who is as gentle as a sheep.

all i see 90% flaming all the way...

Winner, i totally can feel how you felt. you did the right thing, that you no longer force her to follow you. yes, let the fate decide everything, do keep in touch with her often.

by the way, just have some words for you. being together with her might not be the best option (and who knows), like now you're in NZ and she's in MY. what are the chance of seeing each other often? let alone having a simple dinner every now and then.

the most beautiful thing is memories and stories between you and her - the love story will last forever, in your heart. so don't feel bad at all if things don't work out as you wished, life has got so many other meaningful things waiting for you to experience! it's all the stories (点点滴滴) passed through your life, be it happy or sad, you shouldn't let the past stop you from living on a colourful and brilliant life.

of course, all the best to your love story! i'll be very happy to see if she choose to go back to you (and make sure you do the right thing)!

well, u did great.
your story is organised. don't know why some people get all confused.

I think she really still have feelings for u, but if its true that James is her current bf...then I would really pity him, cause it would really hurt to have a current gf/bf running back to their ex, and completely erase u from their life.

If i am her...there's so much to think through. it is risky, dating u. she doesn't have all the time in the world anymore if u were to disappoint her again.

but she's not me,and u definitely understand her better than me. So do things base on ur instincts and all the best.

TS,

I bet u are enjoying this. you present us with your beautifully orchestrated love story just hoping to be blessed back with our sympathy especially from girls. i read your posts and replies, u only accept comments from the girls and condemned the guys. i know people like you, sweet talk to get girls. you tell us stories that will melt every girls in here, people like you are really cocky and talk the talk. some guy here even said u r enjoying this, and yes you are man.

you have proof yourself to be a really desperate guy. forcing her to be with you, therefore you are officially a wussy.

i think i saw somewhere in your reply 

actually, i don't agree with all of them.

reason? lazy to write down...