If a man could see his stupidity, is he any longer stupid??? Why some people are being such a ignorant and never learn from mistake??? Might it cause by low consciousness (inability to reflect what they doing)???

Kids tend to have low consciousness and mostly control by their subconsciousness, which mean they are not aware of what they doing...Is this statement flaw to start with??

I think, therefore i exist, this is the famous quote that we are different from animals because we think...But i am wondering, thinking should be categorize in consciousness or subconscious mind....I believe animal do think, but their action are mostly control by their subconscious mind...They dont think how to have sex, they just know how




What is ths cons or pros if someone had high level of consciousness???

i think you have misunderstood some philosophical terms and quotes......
i think, therefore i exist or i think therefore i am or Cogito, ergo sum is a statement by Rene Descartes towards the study of existence or the study of being.

i think you should read more about Sigmond Freud's psyche theory about the consciousness and unconsciousness mainly about the id, ego, superego, the iceberg model of the mind.

from psychology point of view:
1 theory about why people don't learn from mistake is due to the absence or lack of punishment (reward punishment theory on behavior conditioning).

from sociology point of view:
the people that don't learn from mistake practice anticulture. they don't follow the norms of society, hence, they don't see the mistake as a mistake.

from physiology point of view:
the reward punishment center at the mid-brain might have pathology or is inhibited. there might also be pathology at the amygdala which is a very important structure in process of learning.

Not many men could foresee their stupidity, nor do they realize it. It takes someone to actually tell it to them, that it is wrong and why is it wrong. It may make an impact, hence learning from their mistakes. There are some people who has habits whereby they know it's stupid but yet they do it.

Kids are usually aware on what they are doing but wouldn't know whether it is right or wrong, so they would continue doing it, maybe due to the lack of supervision from parents who disregards the kids.

For me, this word "Stupidity" is better to replace with the sentence "Lack of knowledge about something",
this make things better when u think they actually just need to have knowledge about something so that they wont cause mistake and commit a wrong path

However, there are also cases where stupidity had become arrogant and one does not able to realize mistake at all.
In this case we can say that,
the person who is known as stupid for another person has their own thinking, own reason to commit something, which they may or may not have the total reason to ensure that their doing can cause the proper result, but it is a wrongful behaviour for those because of not knowing what that person's reason to do commit that action.
Or that person is a totally arrogant case, even he himself think he may result in the wrongful result, he still insist on it.
This is one no-solving-matter due to the stubbornness of him

and this something is mostly what normal people tend to think as normal and true....

e.g. the chinese ate bird`s nest... and to the west? "eww.... you ate bird`s saliva? that`s disgustingly stupid"

eg. the french delicacy which is goose`s kidney(correct me if i am wrong) and to the asians, it is only cheap stuff and consider french to be stupid to consider such as precious things....

p/s my american friend told me this... when I cooked and we use chicken bones to cook soup, and as usual, like chicken essence would come out and we drank it, and my american friend saw it.. he reacted.... "What the..... you guys actually drank it?? the juice?? that is sooo gross"

It could mean a lot as well, don't they?? Then what is the actual meaning of it?? I know it had something to do with existence, our conscious that tell us we exist...

what you perceived as "stupid" over the other is doing/acting, it may be due to:
1) your ignorance about why the other is doing/acting it
2) the other ignorance about its action.

to resolve #2:
- if the other can learn with open mind/heart, this "stupidity" is over.
- if not, becos due to ego/arrogance/culture, just hope this "S" won't bring harm to anyone

to resolve #1:
- only if you can learn/accept with open mind/heart, then this wrong perception of "S" will be gone.
- else, while you continue to brand the other as "S", the other will brand you as "S" too.

in summary:
- its subject perception, intelligent, personality, cultural

Stupidity is just the word society has come up with for lack of knowledge. In all cases, when we judge something, we either have not seen the entire picture or we just don't want to.

This lack of understanding of said thing would and can be percieved as stupidity.

lack of knowledge? i dont think so

probably lack of mental processing power or lack of the ability to understand

Stupidity is not lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge is lack of knowledge. Stupid is stupid. A smart person can be lacked of knowledge because he is simply lazy. Whereas a stupid person, takes a long time to, or maybe never grasp abstract scientific theories no matter how much he reads.

I'm sure you have come across people who don't study much till the last minute and still are able to do well if not better than you. Now that is a smart person, being able to understand and apply concepts in a short time.

Agreed, stupidity is NOT ignorance. A lot of people use that word without realizing that it can only be applied to very, very few people in this world.

Inability to grasp then? Sorry, I had typed that out when I just woke up.

Yes it is. Perhaps the reason is in the word "consciousness". Kids have high self-"consciousness", even as early as the toddler stage, which explains why they will feel a certain degree of shyness at that stage. When they are a little older (i.e. young kids), their self-consciousness is even greater. For instance, when they did something wrong (stealing from the cookie jar), they will feel shame and embarrassed.

Sub-consciousness is a term used by psychoanalysis, especially Freud. As much as the psychoanalytic theories exist, the results in proving the sub-conscious mind are not conclusive and should remain mere speculation of its existence. As you may have noticed, I'm not the biggest fan of psychoanalytic theory, even though "psychology" (the popularized version that we know of) in fact grew from Psychoanalytic theory.

Alright, back to the question. We know that kids are very much aware what they are doing, but they do not know that their choice in doing so may be wrong (or the best). Young kids up to adolescents are infamously known for their impulsiveness(which often times lead to doing stupid things). I bet everyone knows a certain friend from primary school or high school that did something so absurd and was punished for his behaviour. But then after a few years, he has changed into a mature family man having a stable life, as though he has became another person? We all know that friend of ours

The frontal-cortical areas of the brain oversee behavioral control through executive functions. Executive functions include abstract thinking, motivation, planning, attention to tasks and inhibition of impulsive responses. Impulsiveness generally refers to premature, unduly risky, poorly conceived actions. Dysfunctional impulsivity includes deficits in attention, lack of reflection and/or insensitivity to consequences. A fully developed frontal lobes takes about 21 years in average, thus anytime before this age, a kid/teenager/adolescent could be higher at risk for their impulsive behavior.

Of course we do have to realise there are other reasons for their "stupidity" behavior, such as peer pressure, adolescent egocentrisim, perceived invincibility (believing accidents only happen to others, not to themselves) and etc..

Adolescent egocentrism
According to Elkind (1967), adolescent egocentrism, which includes a belief by teenagers that they are special and unique, accompanies the attainment of new mental abilities. Specifically, Elkind proposed that adolescents construct an "imaginary audience," giving rise to heightened self-consciousness. Adolescents believe that others, especially peers, are watching them, thinking about them, and interested in all their thoughts and behaviors. Elkind suggested that this is due, in part, to emerging formal operational thought, which allows adolescents to think about their own thinking and that of others. Adolescent egocentrism actually represents a flaw in their thinking that is characteristic of early formal operations. Adolescents assume that since they spend a considerable amount of time thinking about themselves, others must be doing the same thing, namely, thinking about and monitoring them. They fail to realize that while they may be preoccupied with themselves, others are not so inclined.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m224...ag=content;col1

hmmm interesting... i just hit 21 years, so my frontal lobe development is in its prime, yay

I do have a friend who is well, pretty immature for her age. She's 23, but somehow her actions and behavior is so irresponsible. She even got cheated out of her semester fees (Rm1k +-)by a stranger, who took the money right out from her hand.

Do you label this kind of person as stupid then?

stupidity is an unknown-unknown. it is circumstances that were not conceived of by a person. no one choses to be stupid if they know they are, and usually, when they know they improve. as for those that know they are, the known unknown circumstances, but leave it as it is, then they are the ones should be called stupid.

a high level of conscientiousness can result a person to be timid and introvert, for fear of making a mistake that he or she has observed in others before. they may be very aware and observant to his or her surroundings, and so often can be very adaptive to alienation.

low latent inhibition is a severe case of high level of conscientiousness. the simple act of, say opening a door, most are so accustomed to this action that we dont pay attention to it. while a low latent inhibition patient may not so, they pay attention to how it works everytime as if it were their first attempt at it. like a person of high level of conscientiousness, they suffer far more stress than anyone else from the most mundane chore.

Stupidity, is relative.

As forrest gump said: "Stupid is as stupid does".

We are stupid, if our actions come from illogical thought processes.

As an example, we may be geniuses, but the act of condemning someone who we know is mentally challenged, is infact stupid.

A lack of knowledge is not bad per se, it is acting on it that makes us dumb.

Making the same mistake, despite pass experiences, is in fact, acting on lack of knowledge.

But as someone here said, it could also be, that we do not understand the reasoning behind the repetition of the action. It could be us who has limited knowledge and commenting.

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Added on December 9, 2009, 11:21 amThis is why, I always ask people, "Why? Why? Why?" before I start thinking their ideas are wrong.

But then again, the method in which the person does things without explaining the logic behind it (when people ask, and there is no reason to hide); Now that is officially stupid.

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Added on December 9, 2009, 11:40 amWith the example posted previously. If we are smart but did not study, and score the exam.

Then we are not in fact lack of knowledge, because on the spot, we have generated knowledge using our minds. Without knowledge, we could not score, unless it was mere luck.

But the act of not studying because we think we are smart, this is stupid, because we lack the knowledge, as to what questions will come up during the exam, and whether we would be able to generate info on the spot.

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Dec 9 2009, 11:41 AM

stupid always being an issue..acting knowledgeably at the mean time they get tricked easily..Lol u be laugh by ur own fren for sure..

At first sight, it might not be clear exactly what is wrong with the arguments for that conclusion, but I've got a feeling that something is wrong with the arguments. However, I can't assert the conclusion is false unless some tests are performed on the arguments. Well, we begin by taking a classical method found in Aristotle’s Prior Analytics called Reductio ad Absurdum, which means Reduction to Absurdity.

EXAMPLE (1): Now suppose that α is an all-round Physicist, except that he has little interest in Theoretical Physics, and thus he lacks knowledge in that branch of physics, then would it be logical to say α would ever stupid in that sense?

EXAMPLE (2): So when β lacks mental processing power or the ability to understand Einstein Field Equations (EFE) in Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, would it be probably fair to say that Stupidity criteria made β against itself?

EXAMPLE (3): κ is generally good in Applied Physics, but when it comes to Theoretical Physics, everyone tends to think κ takes a long time to study, and he still doesn't grasp the subject no matter how many materials he studies, then would everyone ever think κ is a stupid person? (Einstein's stupendous effort on the General Theory of Relativity is a measure of the difficulty of the problem that it took even him as the one of the World's Greatest Scientist approximately 10 years (1907-1915) to fully understand how to do this.)

But it is really ABSURD to say “Yes” for that three examples. And this means that α, β and κ, cannot be judged stupid, contrary to the hypothetical arguments that they are. Accordingly, since that initial commensurability assumptions engendered contradictions, I have no alternative, but to reject that three initial conclusions.

Nevertheless, in my opinion, although the reductio tests do refuted the original forms of the arguments, but the main force of the arguments can be merged and restored by a minor amendment. Perhaps, most people would say someone is stupid, when observing someone's seemingly action is lacking common sense or showing poor judgment or making repeated mistakes in a subjective context, without suspending judgement.

i think stupidity is the lack of understanding of what really matters in life. what really matters in life is based on your own POVs

This post has been edited by aad_lfcfn: Feb 26 2012, 01:40 AM

Sure you can have your own opinion of what stupidity means to you. But opinion is not the same thing as truth. Let say El Nino effect may seem blazingly hot to you, but just mildly hot to me. Does that mean there are two different truths about the temperature 35 °C, yours and mine? Of course not. It just means that we experience things, even the same things, differently.

See EXAMPLE (1) above. By the way, the judgement of stupidity is based on the perspectives of others POVs on the levels of Common Sense, not personal POVs.