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post Nov 21 2009, 02:27 AM, updated 17y ago

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/brea...files-released/

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewb...s/hadley_hacked

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=75J4XO4T



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The global warming scientific community now has their credibility completely, utterly destroyed.

Google for 'hadley server hack' for more information.


This is BIG, the biggest fraud that would not just drag down prominent Nobel Prize winning scientists but also politicians and corporations who are part of the massive conspiracy to defraud the world.

The conspiracy has been exposed, and yes, it's not a conspiracy theory, but a conspiracy fact.


Enjoy people!


http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefi...ta-is-real.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-Coun...docs-and-emails

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7806

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390537/posts

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...rming/#comments


For those who can't download the entire 60 megs of hacked email and fortran source code, you can read the hacked contents online here

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/




This is explosive!
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post Nov 21 2009, 02:42 AM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm



Hackers target leading climate research unit



The e-mail system of one of the world's leading climate research units has been breached by hackers.

E-mails reportedly from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), including personal exchanges, appeared on the internet on Thursday.

A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and that information was taken and published without permission.

An investigation was underway and the police had been informed, he added.

"We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites," the spokesman stated.

"Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.

"This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation.

"We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry."

Researchers at CRU, one of the world's leading research bodies on natural and human-induced climate change, played a key role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, which is considered to be the most authoritative report of its kind.

'Inside information'

Graham Cluley, a computer security expert, suggested that December's key climate summit in Copenhagen, which has made headlines around the world, could have increased the university's profile as a possible target among hackers.

"There are passionate opinions on both sides of the climate debate and there will be people trying to knock down the other side," Mr Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, told BBC News.

"If they feel that they can gather inside information on what the other side is up to, then they may feel that is ammunition for their counterargument."

Mr Cluley added that universities were vulnerable to attacks by hackers because some many people required access to IT systems.

"You do need proper security in place; you need to be careful regarding communications and make sure your systems are secure.

"I trust that they will now be looking at the systems, and investigating how this happened and ensuring that something like this does not happen again."



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post Nov 21 2009, 04:42 AM

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The first place it occured.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...-62-mb-of-gold/

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...lown-wide-open/

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/no-consensus/

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/4567/

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/busted-2/

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/it-keeps-going/

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post Nov 21 2009, 05:01 AM

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hacker-releas...-warming-fraud/


But then, the whole package is very large — 63 megabytes — and seems to be very internally consistent. Several people have already corroborated a number of the emails as being ones they wrote or received. The package also includes substantial data and computer programs, which are being explored as this is being written.

The best we can say right now is that we should keep our eyes on this. If these files are eventually corroborated and verified, it is a bombshell indeed — evidence that there has been a literal conspiracy to push the anthropogenic climate change agenda far beyond the science.

It will mean the end of some scientific careers, and it might even mean those careers will end in jail.
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:14 AM

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The Global Warming scandal of the century.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/20/the-g...of-the-century/
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:29 AM

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"And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority."
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:38 AM

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html

Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails


Hackers broke into the servers at a prominent British climate research center and leaked years worth of e-mail messages onto the Web, including one with a mysterious reference to a plan to "hide the decline" in data about temperatures.

The Internet is abuzz about the leaked data from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (commonly called Hadley CRU), which has acknowledged the leak of 61MB of confidential data.

Climate change skeptics describe the leaked data as a "smoking gun," evidence of collusion among climatologists and manipulation of data to support the widely held view that climate change is caused by the actions of mankind. The files were reportedly released on a Russian file-serve by an anonymous poster calling himself "FOIA."

In an exclusive interview in Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition, Phil Jones, the head of the Hadley CRU, confirmed that the leaked data is real.

"It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago," he told the magazine, noting that the center has yet to contact the police about the data breach.

TGIF Edition asked Jones about the controversial "hide the decline" comment from an e-mail he wrote in 1999. He told the magazine that there was no intention to mislead, but he had "no idea" what he meant by those words.

"That was an e-mail from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?" he said.

The Telegraph has posted some of the more scathing excerpts from these emails, which the newspaper suggests points to manipulation of evidence and private doubts about the reality of global warming, though the much of the scientific language in the e-mails is esoteric and hard to interpret.

Others suggest the comments are simply "scientists talking about science." In an interview with Wired, Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, points out that "if you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists."

Still, one notable e-mail from the hacked files clearly describes how to squeeze dissenting scientists from the peer review process:

"I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:45 AM

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http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/hacked-h...2009-files.html


So far, the most interesting file I found in the "documents" directory is


pdj_grant_since1990.xls (Google preview, click)

which shows that since 1990, Phil Jones has collected staggering 13.7 million British pounds ($22.6 million) in grants. The major amounts came from HEFCE (6.6 million pounds) and NERC (2.7 million pounds). Later, we will get some idea whether he has used the money to do proper science and whether the truth and objectivity was kept as the key principle, beating a possibility to double the amount. ;-)
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post Nov 21 2009, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Nov 21 2009, 09:09 AM)
One big release of emails discrediting a climate research unit, and all of the advocates of anthropogenic global warming is now discredited? Surely you're joking. (Hint: not every advocate is in that unit)

I'll note that I'm somewhat disturbed by Hadley's comment on the trick though, but the context at which he sent his emails matters, and we'll have to examine the paper for faults - it is the paper after all that matters, not what the scientists' opinions are.

They're human too, and in a (what they expected to be a) private setting, they chose to go on rants against people who disagreed with them. Shocker, I know!

Heck, even presupposing that AGW is false, how do you propose we stop acidification of our oceans due to the amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere?
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You did not read the data at all. You did not even read what other scientists said about them.


Global warming is a fraud. What is happening is we could be entering ice age.



Finish reading all the links and material before you make a decision. Furthermore Phil jones himself has admitted the emails were real.


There's evidence of clear conspiracy, scientific fraud, collusion and every one who's read it would agree.


There is a line one must draw between factual scientific facts and blind religious advocation of a particular topic.

What is available is very very clear cut case of scientific fraud.

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post Nov 21 2009, 01:56 PM

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16889

Climategate: Stunning Deception and Misconduct at UK Warming Research Center Revealed
Jason Mick (Blog) - November 20, 2009 4:00 PM

Climate researchers at the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit may have intentionally and artificially skewed temperature data in studies

The field of global warming is a fascinating facet of atmospheric science. Unfortunately, few are approaching the topic from an unbiased perspective -- the majority is dead set on proving it, while other are equally passionate about disproving it, or at least removing the implication that man may play a role in global warming. Both sides have been found to falsify data, withhold information, or otherwise distort views on the topic, reportedly. Notably internal investigations found that the Bush administration worked to silence climatologists at NASA who published pro-warming papers. Likewise, James Hansen, the leading climate scientist at NASA, was found to be engaging in an equally deceptive game of altering temperature data to make warming look more serious than it was.

Now a stunning new example of biased science and policy has come to light. The University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, one of the UK's top climate research centers, has been hacked by an unknown party, who release an archive of the emails and data from the center, which can be viewed here. The emails in the archive contain evidence of misconduct, casting climate research done at the center in a new light.

A spokesperson for the center confirmed the breach, stating to BBC News, "We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine. This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation. We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry."

Some of the emails seem merely cruel, but do not indicate misconduct. For example CRU director Phil Jones cheers the death of leading climate skeptic John Daly stating, "In an odd way this is cheering news." In another email he fantasizes about physically assaulting a climate skeptic, stating, "Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted."

Other emails are far more damning. Writes Phil Jones:

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

The email reads like a flat out confession of academic misconduct and deception. Obviously hiding data and doctoring values is the kind of thing that gets you expelled from graduate school, but here these seasoned researchers seemed to have engaged in such practices and gleefully got published.

The emails also contain passages concerning the center's attempts to hide the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). Writes a colleague of Mr. Jones:

……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….

Still other emails reveal that the Phil Jones and others at the center engaged in campaigns of trying to silence skeptics, removing them from the journal peer-review process. Not all of the researchers at the center seemed to be onboard with the deceit, though. Some expressed doubts about the theory of anthropogenic (manmade) global warming and refused to support some of the center's actions, putting their own careers in jeopardy.

Writes Jonathon Overpeck:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

While there's been evidence of foul play among both global warming advocates and skeptics, the emails from the CRU may be the most shocking evidence of blatant misconduct to date. The CRU was considered a prominent climate research center, which, along with other organizations in the U.S. and abroad, has helped steer the policy of the Internation Panel for Climate Change (IPCC). The University of East Anglia described the center, writing, "Widely recognised as one of the world's leading institutions concerned with the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change."

The admissions of falsification of data and suppression of counter opinions run contrary to everything that the scientific community should stand for. One can only hope that a thorough investigation is conducted and at the very least the center's director, Phil Jones is dismissed for academic misconduct, if the emails are confirmed. After all, how can we tell our college students not to cheat, when the director of a prominent research institution is advocating such fraud?
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post Nov 21 2009, 02:00 PM

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Best comment I've read!!!::


" Trying to fit data to a result you wish to achieve is not science. It's religion. And religion bears no resemblance to reality. If you're trying to fit data to a predetermined result, you're not practicing science, you are practicing religion and you are an idiot."
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QUOTE(bgeh @ Nov 21 2009, 07:59 PM)
Oh, did you read the data other than paraphrasing whatever others found? I'll admit beforehand, I have not read the 64 megabytes of data, it is simply way too much data for me to handle

First, you disbelieve the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Fair enough. Made any steps to prove it other than shouting at the rooftops that it's false?

Have you finished reading all the links? I've been following skeptics for a while now, and right now I'm leaning towards it being more real than not. Come, change my mind with evidence, of clear conspiracy, scientific fraud, collusion, other than 2-3 emails where the people who advocate it being true b*tching about the skeptics (as if the other side doesn't do it.... hmmm, wait, aren't you doing it yourself?)

Please, tell me why it's so damning, instead of pointing me at the 64mb worth of data, and then saying you'll find out the truth there, because I bet you have not even looked through 10% of it yet, if at all. Provide some original commentary instead of repeating the party line or posting links. Convince us that it's true, instead of saying if you look for it you'll find it.

Here's a counterpoint, for balance: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...1/the-cru-hack/

And answer the question about ocean acidification please, I'd be interested to know.
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You are in denial just like the scientists who have been exposed as frauds in their field.

The counterpoint realclimate link is bs by the same team of PHD cretins whose emails got hacked.

Guilty parties would always try to weezel their way out of their crimes.

The evidence of data manipulation, collusion to prevent peer review, conspiracy, it's all there in my links.


Global warming is a political tool for carbon taxes, a profit making venture for elites to impose a tax on the poorer nations.

Tons of corporations and political powers stand to benefit from these taxes.



Why should anyone in mainstream or rather, the ordinary people trust your ilk anymore?


Proponents of global warming, especially the academic elites, seem to effectively show themselves to be nothing more than arrogant god complex self labeled learned PHDs who would falsify and commit fraud in the name of those who funded them.


Why, should the general public trust your ilk anymore?


This fraud has exposed what is probably just a tip of the iceberg in the scientific community.


It's time the masses wake up and realize that scientists are as much a problem even though we've always grown to assume they're the solution to our problems.



These global warming scientists have shown me they're not much different from religious terrorists, except these terrorists are the types who carry PHDs, labels and other academic credentials who decide who shall live or die.



Those who're interested in the financial interests of who benefits from the global warming agenda should read up on Goldman Sachs and the Cap and Trade.

Goldman Sachs is one of the most scandal ridden financial companies and anyone who has an interest in finance would know about them.

They have people sitting and making policies in the US government. Timothy Geithner anyone?

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post Nov 21 2009, 09:37 PM

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Collusion, Corruption, Manipulation and Obstruction
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Nov 21 2009, 10:54 PM)
That's ONE department tampering with data. You've got thousands of other identical departments all over the world.
Saying global warming is a fraud because of one rotten apple is like saying that the Holocaust never happened
Get over it, the world is warming up, and frickin cows are not to blame, it's us humans.
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The world is not warming up, it's cooling down. Another one who can't read. rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 21 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Nov 21 2009, 11:16 PM)
Why am I in denial? I've considered the possibility that I am, but have you?
You are just arguing in circles. You are not interested at all in the truth. You're only interested in intellectual wanking, to argue and show you know something when you don't.

Circles of argument, intelligent make you not.


I am not going to waste my time answering you anymore because your answers do not make sense, and you don't read. You are just here to derail the thread, dismissing the evidence and shout as loud as you can, in short, an attention seeker deprived of attention.


Added on November 21, 2009, 11:38 pm
QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 21 2009, 11:27 PM)
even if global warming might be false, pollution is still bad.
so i support global warming if that leads to more environment conscious thinking.
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That I agree with you, pollution is still bad, but fidgeting scientific data and committing fraud is not excusable either.


We need to clean up the world, that is for sure, but I do not believe pushing the global warming and carbon tax agenda is a solution.

It is a political agenda that smacks of elitist power grab and taxation.


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post Nov 22 2009, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Nov 21 2009, 11:47 PM)
Why am I going into circular arguments? Either you're right, that global warming is one big hoax, or the advocates of climate change are right, that it's real. I've considered the possibility that either of these sides are wrong, but you're not seemed to even accept that possibility, except in going into ad hominem attacks about me going on intellectual wanking. Where's the science behind that except in your accusations?

What's so circular about that?

I have not dismissed any evidence, except in providing some context. Note that I agree that the emails are disturbing, but I'm just saying over and over again that you need the context at which it's being said.

Again: What about ocean acidification?
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Again, trying to show his intelligence. You're trying to derail a topic by showing you know something when you don't. You've avoided the scientific fraud at first and tried to defend these frauds using their own blogsite, and now you challenge me on a topic which isn't even relevant in this sense, just to show you know more, and that I know less. We could even go into minute details of any sub topic but like I said, arguing in circles, that was your intention, to drag and derail this topic and try to beat down an opponent you couldn't rebutt, after being exposed for being an illiterate attention seeker.

But this just confirms my opinion about you, a no substance intellectual wanking attention seeker, trying to show he knows more after he failed to read the links I posted.

Now you're accusing me of adhominem attacks, hey come on, you're the one throwing the SOD label around.

I've made up my mind. I don't really have to take you seriously because I have 0 respect for your intellect just as I have 0 respect for the fraudelent scientists of Hadley.

I don't waste my time with krusty the clowns who scream about adhominems while throwing the sod word around.

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Ok everything else aside, I'll give you my personal view (which isn't backed by scientific fact of course but based on what I believe and understand).


I do not believe in Global Warming, it is bunk, junk science, scam, rubbish.

But I do admit, weathers, temperatures, sea levels are rising, in some areas of the world, and pollution.


The earth is changing, but NOTHING to do with global warming, which is a complete bunk and scam.


One place will warm, and another would cool. This is natural and has always happened to earth.


I believe, what's happening to earth, it's magnetic fields, is what's known as Polar Shift.

We're experiencing a slow pole shift, which is possibly the bigger picture.

Global warming is just bull science to blame on humans and overpopulation.


I do believe we may need to scale down the way we consume, and how many people are reproducing.


But I do not agree with the fraud being perpetrated to achieve this agenda.


Global warming is completely rubbish to me but pole shift is more plausible.


You want humanity to change the way they live, you've got to tell them the truth, not tell lies about global warming.

Anyway, this is just an opinion, not backed by scientific facts but based on my understanding/reading and my personal conclusion.

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Here's another view from another person who I can relate with.



http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/164900.php

The True Cause of Global Warming
by Timothy Burns Watson Friday, Jun. 16, 2006 at 12:51 AM
apollospear@yahoo.com (416) 272-0260 278 Runnymede Rd., Toronto, Canada, M6S 2Y6

With things warming up, no one is getting more hot under the collar than the president and vice-president it seems as a scenario not unlike "The Day After Tomorrow" begins to unfold on a global scale.

The True Cause of Global Warming
by Timothy Watson

As part of the earth changes I envision taking place, I think what is happening in part is that the shift in the Earth's pole from its current incline of 23.5 degrees to its eventual shift to zero point or true magnetic north is resulting in climate change across the planet as the entire Earth is subjected to more direct heat from the sun and less seasonal inclination of the Earth's axis, which means that global warming has nothing to do with greenhouse gases. This has been a ruse of the establishment academics to divert our attention from the real cause, which is the incremental changes in weather resulting from the pole shift that is already underway.
The result of the Earth receiving more direct rays from the sun is that the poles are melting, simultaneously leading to higher sea levels. As the continental shelf of ice recedes in Alaska, the Antarctic, and Greenland, we are seeing a lightening of the ice shelves on the landmasses weighed down by them. The effect of this most poignantly is that the great continental landmass of Antarctica is springing back into position above sea level. Increased tectonic, earthquake and icequake activity are the result. Also, as the weight of ice on Antarctica recedes, the continental weight of the Antarctic shelf also lightens, allowing fault lines dormant for centuries to move and slide. This is causing increased earthquake activity on a global scale. The resulting effect is of course increased tsunami activity. The recent spate of seismic disturbances to hit Indonesia are one such example and the resulting tsunamis that have inundated Sri Lanka are but the first of a wave of such disasters that will begin to affect the world with increasing violence as the frequency and intensity of these events continues to grow.
We had better strap on our seatbelts because the problem is not about to go away. The Pentagon white paper of early 2004 leaked to the Guardian newspaper in England warned about such future earth change-related events. This is but the first in what is likely to prove one of the most serious early effects of the pole shift. Milutin Milankovitch, a Serbian astronomer of the nineteenth century charted these changes in the incline of the Earth's polar axis and realized they were instrumental in precipitating the glacial and interglacial periods affecting the northern hemisphere, where most of the earth's landmass and accompanying human population are concentrated. This coupled with changes in the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit around the sun result in changes leading to longer winters and shorter summers, leading in turn to a buildup of ice and snow precipitating a glacial advance known as an ice age, or the reverse—longer summers and shorter winters, resulting in a glacial retreat known as an interglacial period.
These ice ages and interglacial periods could be equated with season change on a more cosmic scale, season change in cosmic time if you like. In other words, an ice age could be conceived as a more protracted winter period of gestation and rest when the entire Earth is slumbering and in hibernation for the next period of evolutionary development on the planet. In other words, an ice age resulting from the Earth's pole shifting the landmasses of the northern hemisphere away from the sun's warmth dispensing light in addition to a more eccentric elliptical orbit around the sun, produces the kind of accumulated buildup of ice and snow over an Earth year precipitating those conditions leading to a glacial advance to more southern climbs. The reverse is true when the Earth's axis inclines toward the sun at a period coinciding with a protracted summer period in cosmic time. This leads to a buildup of heat and a retreat of wintertime ice and snow, so that the glacial ice of the ice age recedes, precipitating a thaw or spring in cosmic time, bringing an end to the ice age.
In summary, the Earth is entering a period of less intense annual season change resulting from a gradual shift of the Earth's pole to true magnetic north. This means that the entire surface of the Earth is receiving more direct light from the sun, raising temperatures worldwide including the frozen north. This in turn is precipitating a meltdown of the polar icecaps, leading to higher sea levels in turn. Rising seas coincide with a lightening of the continental ice shelf weighing down the landmasses of the Arctic, the frozen northern islands of Canada and the northern wastes of northern Russia and Europe. More importantly, the tremendous weight of ice, previously depressing Antarctica beneath sea level, has allowed the continent of Antarctica to emerge from hibernation and rise once again from its protracted period of suspended animation. The resulting climate change has sponsored an increase of quake activity on Antarctica, whose tectonic plates are no longer held in place by the great weight of ice. Simultaneously, there is occurring increased plate movement along the ocean floors as the weight once holding them in place is removed. Increased quake activity worldwide in accompaniment with rising seas does not bode well. One does not need to be a prophet to see what's coming. An informed mind and a modicum of common sense is all that is required.
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QUOTE(bgeh @ Nov 22 2009, 02:28 AM)
Okay, great to hear you talking without the accusations smile.gif Now let's get to the statement you posted above:

I'd like to ask about this claim:
Suppose indeed this is true, that the Earth's geographical pole is shifting towards the magnetic north. So what would happen is that the poles, the Arctic and the Antarctic would shift towards the Equator, and we do get ice melting on the poles, raising sea levels. My question is this: Since the Earth's a sphere, wouldn't this melting be compensated by more ice forming at the new regions where there has been some cooling, since those surfaces would be exposed less to the sun instead?
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It may probably already happen but the problem is how do we know? Are you or me going to travel all the way to that place to confirm? With what tools to assess it ?

This is suppose to be the job of the scientists, and dissemination of such information , is decided by those who decide to allow such research data to be published or shut it down.

Based on the Hadley's conversation they seem to have some influential power in deciding what studies can get published, everyone has to play by their game. Who is to say there isn't already such scientific committee that decides what could get published?

The mainstream news are the worst of the lot, they avoided the integrity/discussion contents of the hadley hack and focused on the hacking crime itself, instead of fraudelent scientific literature exposed, as that is they key issue with the hadley hack. The hack itself is the least important crime but that's where the mainstream British media is focusing on.


And without funding, who's going to actually study where the new ice is forming? And even after the study, who decides for it to be published? Who is allowed to come up with an alternative science theory that challenges the mainstream accepted global warming being caused by humans theory ?


There are indeed powerful forces at work, that has corrupted even science itself. We can move away from this climate topic and venture into financial fraud, food monopoly(codex alimentarius) and medical mafia but those areas have already smeared anyone questioning their accepted stance, as nothing more than conspiracy theorists, even if the conspiracy theory is true.


The mainstream information/science age is identical to the medieval ages of Vatican monopoly in suppressing dissenters, except they use their power with the media and credentials to humiliate, ridicule and discredit you, just like what was mentioned in the hadley hack emails, of what these prominent scientists plan to do to anyone else trying to challenge their theories.

Michael Mann is the leader of their group, and is a Nobel prize winner, and he's a scumbag according to what I've read from other scientists about the email contents.

Facts are not enough if you cannot get them disseminated (or funded to do the research). Science can be redirected and tampered to suit a political agenda, exactly as what's been exposed in the hadley hack.
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post Nov 22 2009, 02:52 AM

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My reply still holds, who gets to disseminate the information even if it's true? I am sure the global warming political pushers probably know about the pole shift thing but decided to go ahead with their global warming theory instead, because who's going to challenge them?


As science is bended towards an agenda, those who control the resources, funding, power and equipment are the ones who decide, whether or not to tell you what information they know.

Nobody is obligated to tell you the truth. You'll either have to force it out of them or have money or get funds somewhere to do the research and find a way to disseminate the information publicly if the media doesn't want to be your voice.

Normal peasants like us just sit down and either choose to trust or not trust these intellectual terrorists.


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