I think the key point i want to make is that , it's NOT i do not believe the world/climate is changing. I just do not accept the global warming as the be all end all and blaming it on humans solely as the main cause.


I will repeat what I read elsewhere from some guy's summary on this whole global warming bunk.


When are you people going to get it?
1- There is climate change, yes, there is climate change in all planets of our solar system currently. Some of them are having dramatic changes one way or another.

2- Big money took over environmentalism some time ago, they are not looking to fix their "carbon problem" at all. many people have come up with ways to get rid of Co2 including using one type of algae in oceans. Or by simply... planting trees. But no, they couldn't care less about it, what they want is the carbon tax scam which is in fact taxing one of the six essential building blocks of life. It's the perfect scam, it's like charging for oxygen.

3- More co2 and higher overall temperatures is actually what makes nature thrive unlike what they are trying to make you believe. If you don't know the REAL science behind it just take a look at our planet. Where does nature thrive? It's in the Equator, giant tropical forests with millions of species known and millions yet to discover. And where in our planet exists less plant and animal life? It's in the coldest parts, if you go to the Poles it's almost non existent. Here's a little experience for you: Get some plants in two different locations, in one the locations feed them high co2, in the other location don't use anything. Your jaw will drop when you see the end results.

4- Pollution is bad, yes, I hate it, I love nature and I want to fight the real pollution but this enviro scam is all about taxes and pushing for globalization and political agendas. These guys have patents on this carbon credit scam for Christ sake. Guys like all Gore will get a percentage of every Pennie involved in the carbon scam, they will be trillionaries.

5- Hope these are enough good reasons for you.




And most importantly, the email hacks clearly shows the scientists's own data do not match up to their own global warming theory and so they tried to massage it and you get this hockey stick thing with Michael Mann the so called nobel laureate who really should be stripped of the title or just discredit the nobel prize altogether. (Even Obama can get this prize in less than a year, clear cut case of politically motivated move)



The earth is changing, yes, but global warming blamed on humanity and politically motivated carbon tax is bunk.

If you do not believe in a global conspiracy you better start reading up on the New World Order, it has been repeated to death even by the politicians themselves publicly.

You have to drive into the conspiracy theory area, yes, many hate it but that doesn't invalidate the theories, as even science/global warming itself is a theory.


We're being herded to a global governance in turbo mode, whether we like it or not, we will be squeezed in to accept this. Their initial creation is the United Nations long ago. This is not a theory, this is a fact. It's also known as globalization and it's a global power grab and anyone who dismisses this theory or not bother to read up on it is seriously doing him/herself injustice to connect the dots.

Global warming is also closely linked to population control theories. Go read up on population control, another taboo area.

---

Added on November 22, 2009, 4:11 amOh btw, when talking about the NWO, it is nothing like what the religious dumb dumbs have claimed to be.

Political leaders have admitted to wanting a global government but it has got absolutely nothing to do with Satanism or whatever. So when dwelling into this topic, don't waste time reading the point of view from religious nutjobs.

Anyone who starts associating NWO from their religious point of view, get out of this thread.

NWO is a valid topic but it has been tainted and polluted with low IQ religinuts in PHD forum. Yes i've read one of the NWO related threads and I think these people who're presenting it from their primitive religious point of view ought to be shot for being of inferior intellect.


We're headed towards a global government, that's a fact.

No, not everyone wants to be part of this global government because of questionable people being in charge.


There're infighting, and that's why you have this HADLEY hack scandal. It is linked to the copenhagen/lisbon treaty of climate/global warming contract where nations must sign.



Global government is inevitable as the future of planet earth. It is the only way we can avoid countries nuking the crap out of each other.


Global government is GOOD if done correctly by reputable leaders and openly without hidden agenda like some of the camps of global warming are perpetrating.



And please do not listen to any NWO/Global government theories from religious nutcases esp videos made by Christians/Muslims. These are the people who cannot keep up with the changes and are the ones making the topic bunk and disreputed.


World government is inevitable. But who will be leading it ? That's the question.

This post has been edited by manami: Nov 22 2009, 04:11 AM

http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/usa/roll...t-scam-9501.htm

http://greenhellblog.com/2009/07/08/goldma...rbon-regulator/

http://cad-mastergraphics.com/global-warming-scam.htm


Financial topic is very longwinded deep. You should google for how global warming and taxation comes into play.


We're not against for cleaner/pollution free planet earth.

We're just against the way these fraudsters are capitalizing on green planet agendas to get RICH from it.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17102

The Death Blow to Climate Science

By Dr. Tim Ball Saturday, November 21, 2009


Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns.

Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia. A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the files are theirs. They contain papers, documents letters and emails. The latter are the most damaging and contain blunt information about the degree of manipulation of climate science in general and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in particular.
Climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists

Dominant names involved are ones I have followed throughout my career including, Phil Jones, Benjamin Santer, Michael Mann, Kevin Trenberth, Jonathan Overpeck, Ken Briffa and Tom Wigley. I have watched climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists. This small, elite, community was named by Professor Wegman in his report to the National Academy of Science (NAS).

I had the pleasure of meeting the founder of CRU Professor Hubert Lamb, considered the Father of Modern Climatology, on a couple of occasions. He also peer reviewed one of my early publications. I know he would be mortified with what was disclosed in the last couple of days.

Jones claims the files were obtained illegally as if that absolves the content. It doesn’t and it is enough to destroy all their careers. Jones gave a foretaste of his behavior in 2005. Warwick Hughes asked for the data and method he used for his claim of a 0.6°C temperature rise since the end of the nineteenth century. Jones responded, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?” He has stonewalled ever since. The main reason was because it was used as a key argument in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Reports to convince the world humans caused rapid warming in the 20th century. The emails obtained are a frightening record of arrogance, and deception far beyond his 2005 effort.

Another glimpse into what the files and emails reveal was the report by Professor Deming. He wrote, “ With publication of an article in Science (in 1995) I gained sufficient credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them someone who would pervert science in the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said. “We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” The person in question was Jonathan Overpeck and his even more revealing emails are part of those exposed by the hacker. It is now very clear that Deming’s charge was precise. They have perverted science in the service of social and political causes.

Professor Wegman showed how this “community of scientists” published together and peer reviewed each other’s work. I was always suspicious about why peer review was such a big deal. Now all my suspicions are confirmed. The emails reveal how they controlled the process, including manipulating some of the major journals like Science and Nature. We know the editor of the Journal of Climate, Andrew Weaver, was one of the “community”. They organized lists of reviewers when required making sure they gave the editor only favorable names. They threatened to isolate and marginalize one editor who they believed was recalcitrant.
Total Control

These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.

CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”

You can download the climate change fraud documents from the link below:
http://www.filedropper.com/foi2009 or http://www.megaupload.com/?d=003LKN94

New world order is not a conspiracy theory. Don't simply slam label around when you have not done your reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_government
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(political_system)


And even if there's conspiracy theory discussed, it is as much applicable as other unproven scientific theories, which are simply theories.


As long as the conspiracy theory has valid grounds it can be discussed, but if stuff like satanism and religion comes in, then you know it's bunk.


Human behaviour/greed is a major part of political policies and it has demonstrated how it is a part of corruption in the scientific process. The evident of conspiracies in the email has shown that conspiracies are not theories.


If you have a cognitive dissonance problem, that is YOUR problem but that doesn't mean human factor should not be discussed and that you simply dismiss things you cannot understand as conspiracy theory to shut people up.

That is the classic case of failure to take human behaviour into question when formulating a theory why certain policies come to the way they are. You do not simply label things you do not understand or don't want to understand as conspiracy theories to discredit an argument or opponent. It fully reflects on a person's immaturity and cognitive dissonance and inability to discuss conceptual potentials.

Looking at facts alone without regard for character/quality of people potentially influencing the facts, like what the scientists did to massage data, is a sign of a failed scientist.

Since master root of information can be doctored, it is imperative that a person's character and his facts/source be discussed and not simply dismiss things you do not understand as conspiracy theories, it makes you no different from the scientists who've committed fraud and who's decided to use the very same conspiracy theory weapon on dissenters.

That's why most scientists are laughable to me, they never take the human factors into consideration when studying so called 'facts' of science.

The science of science itself is neutral but when you have human equation in, you cannot dismiss the human behaviour influence by labeling any discussion of character/intent of a person or group of persons as conspiracy theories. That is the classic case of how intellectual terrorism is used by those in power to dismiss people from questioning their policies.

This post has been edited by manami: Nov 22 2009, 02:15 PM

You don't even understand what's being discussed here, and start throwing that threat and label around. You have a cognitive dissonance problem.