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HDTV FAQ, For all Console users
HDTV FAQ, For all Console users
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Jan 15 2006, 10:46 PM
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LOL! everytime you take the 720p pic, sure your hand shake. the MX vs ATV is most obvious, just see the SONY wording.
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Jan 16 2006, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Jan 15 2006, 11:19 PM) what's your budget? basically for HD, widescreen display that support 720p and 1080i is a must. connector of dvi and/or hdmi also important to make sure your tv won't be obsolete by 5 years time. QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 15 2006, 11:40 PM) Come to think of it. I'm not sure if it's due to handshake or due to some strange reason, progressive scan makes bad pic?? Also, after playing the game for awhile in 1080i (Dragon's lair)...1080i does seems a bit sharper...Bah...i'm too tired and too blurred now...u post some pics when u have yours okay! if the tv actually upscale 720p to 1080i then there should not be a difference when taking the picture. i'll wait tomorrow and do some testing. but i think i don't have any games that support 1080i. |
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Jan 16 2006, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Jan 16 2006, 08:34 AM) Yup the Philips will accept 720p video - only it upconverts it to 1080i. like that i guess it's the same thing with DB29M61, since medium-budget crt shouldn't be capable of displaying 720p natively.As for the ahemness of the games, some sources tell me that ahem games sometimes don't copy ALL the content of the ori - which also means the progressive scan/HD quality video sometimes gets left out. This was based on some problems a few of my friends had with ahem copies of games like GT4, so YMMV. ahem games could take out the video to save space, but i didn't think they can change the program on the disc coz it might make the game not running at all. i don't know about ps2, but all my xbox games that support 480p/720p can runs on the supported display. QUOTE(yikyeou @ Jan 16 2006, 10:37 AM) QUOTE 4. How much extra does a 1080p TV cost http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5102926-1.html?tag=eyeNot surprisingly, you'll initially have to pay a premium to get the latest and greatest technology. If you take a look at the product lines of Sony, Samsung, and Mitsubishi, you can see that, on average, you can expect to pay about $1,000 extra for the bump in resolution. For instance, take the Samsung HL-R6167 (720p resolution) vs. the step-up HL-R6168 (1080p). At buy.com, the 6167 is currently going for $3,500 while the 6168 is $4,500. Eventually, of course, the gap will narrow, but it'll take a couple of more years for 1080p displays to become the standard. 5. Why you should buy--or not buy--a 1080p set While we haven't posted any reviews of 1080p rear-projection sets yet--before you ask, we've requested review samples from most major manufacturers, and received some promises but no product yet--we have gotten early looks at several of the new models, some of them have been early, nonshipping units. These include HP's MD6580N, a 65-inch 1080p DLP, and Sony's KDS-R60XBR1, a 60-inch LCoS (SXRD) set that brings the technology from Sony's highly regarded Qualia 006 down to a more-affordable price point. After seeing 1080p in action, we've come to some conclusions. Obviously, the quality of the source material you're viewing is very important, but so are screen size and how far you're sitting from your TV. Indeed, our resident video guru, Senior Editor David Katzmaier, reports that the extra sharpness afforded by the 1080p televisions he's seen is noticeable only when watching 1080i sources on a larger screen. Comparing a 50-inch 1080p DLP set to a 50-inch 720p DLP set, for example, he says you'll be hard-pressed to notice more detail with 1080i sources, especially from farther than 8 feet away. Even if you can see the difference, it will be much less obvious than, say, the difference between DVD and 720p HDTV. Of course, performance will vary from set to set, and we'll know more when we have a chance to thoroughly test more 1080p televisions. Finally--and this may sound weird--but many 1080p televisions don't accept 1080p sources at all. In our experience, only the aforementioned HP can handle 1080p via its HDMI inputs--all other current 1080p HDTVs cannot. Instead, they upconvert 720p and 1080i sources to 1080p. The bottom line: if you're thinking of going big, really big (a 60-inch screen or larger), the extra resolution may make it worth the difference--as long as you have a pristine, 1080i HD source to feed into the set. As to whether true 1080p sources from PS3, a Blu-ray deck, or an HD-DVD player look better--we'll have to wait until 2006 to find out. Of course, it's probably a good idea to buy--or wait for--a set that can accept a 1080p signal so that you'll be able to make that judgment. the tv arrive already! ![]() ![]() ![]() my cheap digital camera when at evox dash which is 480p, some time the picture will jump abit, does your tv also like that? |
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Jan 16 2006, 03:57 PM
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how to describe the jump abit ar... it's like in split second the display will go up just abit and then back to normal. only when displaying in 480p will this happen, 720p/1080i doesn't happen.
your poison for digi cam won't work coz i very seldom using it. just checks with hdtv arcade, none of the games i got support 1080i maybe later on i'll go find some 1080i games. but i feel i prefer 720p better, when i try both display on XBMC, 720p looks more pleasant . and since this tv will be in my bedroom, i need to find a table to hold this mammoth |
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Jan 16 2006, 04:55 PM
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yup, can 1080i. but the line flicker abit, and all the icon are much smaller.
waiting till febuary when my bro gonna take the old tv in hall then only shift it, or maybe not. |
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Jan 16 2006, 08:52 PM
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i thought already answer your question
widescreen with 720p & 1080i support is a must. dvi & hdmi is a plus to make sure your tv won't obsolete in 5 years time. about 1080p, refer to post number 210. which better tv to choose? i think it's better for you to go and see for yourself which type and size most suits you. |
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Jan 18 2006, 02:57 PM
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Jan 21 2006, 03:26 PM
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damn, when on 480p the picture still jumping abit. think because of the third party cable. anyone wanna sell their original MS component cable?
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Jan 21 2006, 07:37 PM
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component cable and s-video cable quality are almost identical. but both are much better than normal yellow (composite) cable. this is when all is running on normal video mode, that is 480i.
but with newer model tv that support 480p, the quality are way much better than 480i. 480p video mode can only be activated when using component cable with tv that support this video mode. you can get more info by reading the first post, and also this link interlace vs progressive |
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Jan 22 2006, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 22 2006, 12:56 PM) what jumping-ler bro...if the tv swittch to 480p mode from 480i mode, it sort of flash a second but after that it is okay. Does yours keep "jumping" even after the initial mode switch. yup, still jumping after switch to 480p and when on 1080i, there's a very light grey lining of wave on the picture. it can only be see clearly when the screen is totally black. otherwise the wave hardly can be seen. now i'm searching to buy the original MS hi-def cable. now i wish i didn't sell the cable last time. |
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Jan 23 2006, 12:36 AM
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that comes to almost RM150!
the shop that you buy from Sg Wang, do they still got stock? |
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Jan 23 2006, 09:44 PM
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ya, i hope i can shop around there. but the problem is i'm 200km away
but now sometimes the picture is not jumping anymore, hopefully this will be permanent |
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Jan 24 2006, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(metalgrindsolid @ Jan 24 2006, 09:31 PM) I'm looking to buy a new tv/monitor for my HD gaming rig. All I want is the same quality that I can get with standard computer monitor. I'm quite happy the quality that I get with crt. That's why I stick to crt monitor till these day. i also got a hdtv what, same model like mr matrix some more. My question is do I get the same quality from a HDTV that can display 480p, 720p and 1080i same as computer monitor (crt)? If not, then I have to buy a lcd then... maybe mr matrix can answer this since he have hdtv... before migrating to hdtv, i'm using vdigi to display on my 19" crt monitor. so the answer you're looking for is yes, crt hdtv looks as good as crt monitor. any tv you wish you want also can get, as long as you got the budget lar your best solution for hdtv is getting a widescreen wun, not the normal square tv. thats because 720p and 1080i display are widescreen, thats mean you'll get black border if use normal square tv. the cheapest hdtv crt widescreen is samsung 32" for RM4k. if your budget not that high, then get philips 29" with pixel plus 2 for RM2.5k. but it is not widescreen, thats the low point of low budget. for sub RM2k, i would recommend sony 29" DB29M61, doesn't have any technology similiar to pixel plus 2 but still displaying amazing quality for 720p and 1080i. |
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Jan 25 2006, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(metalgrindsolid @ Jan 25 2006, 12:52 AM) Thanx for clearing this up. I have the budget, but need to spend it wisely yup, i'm referring to CS-32Z30HE, because it is widescreen. the CS29Z30BP 29" is only 4:3 (square display), you will get black border on top and bottom when running on 720p and 1080i. both also is HD but the difference is widescreen or not. my budget was not much, otherwise i have snaps the CS-32Z30HE instead of sony 29" DB29M61. |
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Jan 26 2006, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(toytoy @ Jan 26 2006, 03:43 PM) Dear all, I've had my eyes for SONY KV-DB29M61 and was just wondering how the quality would be. why don't you get xbox? now everyone migrating to xb360 already, xbox 2nd hand price are much cheaper. and almost all xbox games support 480p. Reading this thread cleared all my doubts. This is definitely the best TV to get below 2k. And yes i do have a tight budget I m only getting this TV becoz i wanna play PS2 in HD. But it is sad to see that only very few games support even 480p Hopefully can get enuff money to buy it after CNY and hope the price will drop so that i can join in the fun eventhought ps2 games are 480i, thanks to sony DRC 1250 / DRC progressive function, the quality is near as good as 480p. btw, the DB29M61 price of 1.8k only till this month, coz sony is doing the promotion. next month the price maybe will be 2k. |
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Jan 26 2006, 06:04 PM
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Feb 1 2006, 05:42 PM
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ever heard of HDTV PAL?
anyone thinking about buying the samsung slimfit 32" WS-32Z31HE widescreen should take notes of this. it seem that even thought the tv support 1080i, it is only @50Hz. in other words, this is a PAL tv. ps2/xbox/xb360 ntsc console will output 1080i @60Hz, which is the standard Hz for ntsc system. what happen if you hook up ntsc system running 1080i on HDTV PAL is you get a blank screen. for a tv with HD Ready usually means it support both 50Hz and 60Hz. this clearly was a lacking in information from samsung as the brochure only stated it support 1080i without saying about the Hz. the 1080i 50hz was not stated anywhere except on the manuals, which means you need to buy the set in order to know that this set only accepts 50hz signals. |
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Feb 3 2006, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(shumaky @ Feb 2 2006, 10:37 PM) if ur watching astro thru ur sony.. pics will not improve as per watching astro on normal tv.. yes, you can watch normal broadcast on hdtv. and no, the quality is not the same as normal tv, it is better. because sony has DRC, and philips has pixel plus 2, other branded tv has some other line doubler technology. the better quality is proved when my non-technical friend saw my sony tv displaying normal broadcast, he say the picture is somehow better but he couldn't tell how it was better. the answer is when DRC kicks in, the black interlace line and the flicker has been eliminated, so you're getting picture almost as good as 480p even thought the source is only 480i.so ur answer is YES u still can watch normal programs on the sony.. but the quality will be the same as ur old TV.. |
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Feb 4 2006, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Feb 4 2006, 10:13 AM) researcher: Don't go to SENQ. They always charge higher price and doesn't follow the SONY retail price. Go Best Denki or some small electrical shops elsewhere. They'll sell u at the RM1799 price tag as recommended by SONY. i thought this price is only till end of january? haven't go to see what is the new price thought.SENQ=The sux. i bought my tv from them in melaka there's no best denki or other big eletrical shop. other small independent shop all blood sucker wun, they can up the price until RM500 also got. |
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Feb 6 2006, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Feb 6 2006, 09:13 AM) Xboxx: U r in Melaka ah? Aiya, come KL shopping-ler....1.5 hours drive only. btw, i saw the XBOX HD Pack at One Utama the other day. It was not packed in the normal MS box though, i suspect they rip out this from some XBOX package that comes with this cable and sells it. They price tag it at RM110, but i'm sure it'll be much cheaper if i ask them the price. LOL, look below my avatar i already got the ori cable. now 480p the picture no more jumping. and 1080i also the very light wave no more visible. QUOTE(DeZeque @ Feb 6 2006, 11:43 AM) erghh... then what happens for sets which supports 1080i/1080p @ 60Hz only?? can only play ntsc machines?? btw.. i'm refering to Philips PT8845... which among others supports the followings: you own this tv ar? judging by the info you put, looks like only 720p capable of displaying PAL and NTSC signal. but the tv even support 1080p? 480p 60Hz 720p 50, 60Hz 1080i 60Hz 1080p 60Hz why can't everyone just agree on one standard and stop confusing the consumers... check the DB29M61 manual, 720p & 1080i support both 50Hz & 60Hz. Lucky! i thought with the introduction of HD, there will be only one universal HD frequency. but now it is more confusing. one more tip for SONY DB29M61 owner with ps2. if you want to OFF the DRC when playing ps2, set the GAME mode to ON, this will OFF the DRC. |
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