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National Team France les Bleus, Euros 2012

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ELm_ELm
post Nov 20 2009, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 20 2009, 01:53 PM)
talking about joga bonito and fair play...

fair play my @ss

the beautiful game? LOL!
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 20 2009, 06:46 PM)
Oh come on dude. We are talking about deliberate handball here and a ticket to World Cup Finals. Shirt tugging...I am not sure (depends). Dives? Yes! What Henry did was in the same class of cheap diving, diving without the slightest contact. I know some of you are defending him because he played for Arsenal, but you seriously saying it was not deliberate? First time the ball hit his palm...Okay it might be accidental but if you notice enough, he then direct the ball to to his feet before making that pass! It was like juggling the ball with his palm!

Toshio said we cannot really confirm whether it was intention/deliberate, and I agree with him. Only him and God knows, but the replay to me is very convincing that it was deliberate. I cannot find any reason that it was not.


Added on November 20, 2009, 6:51 pm
Lol...you still dun get it do ya? Does he has the balls to deny it's handball after after doing such thing. The fact that it was deliberate makes him goes to the referee. If it was not, do you think he even care to to that? Henry was playing it smart.

Yes, end of day, referee made the call. But ask yourself, why resort doing such thing in the first place?  smile.gif
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ok...after seing it time and time again, it was clearly that the ball was heading towards his hand, i dont see henry lifted his hand towards the ball, its more like otherwise, did he took advantage of the situation?, yes he did, as a player who is desperate to win the match ..where is the linesman to begin with?, cant put all the blame on the ref thou cause he's was in the blind spot when this happen..situation like this always trigger the question why dont we have video replay?..

calling henry a cheater was clearly unfair because what had happen, happen in the blink of an eye, so is he innocent? for me he's innocent in the blind side of the rules,, i can pretty sure that as a great player him self, he definetly want france to qualify in more proper manner than this ..

what had happen clearly indicated there'r a lot of weaknesses in football, its up to FIFA n UEFA to addressed the issues so that they can avoid similar thing from happening,

although im waiting for platini to make and give his neutral comment on this, the manner of his country qualified for final.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 20 2009, 07:55 PM)
ok...after seing it time and time again, it was clearly that the ball was heading towards his hand, i dont see henry lifted his hand towards the ball, its more like otherwise, did he took advantage of the situation?, yes he did, as a player who is desperate to win the match ..where is the linesman to begin with?, cant put all the blame on the ref thou cause he's was in the blind spot when this happen..situation like this always trigger the question why dont we have video replay?..

calling henry a cheater was clearly unfair  because what had happen, happen in the blink of an eye, so is he innocent? for me he's innocent in the blind side of the rules,, i can pretty sure that as a great player him self, he definetly want france to qualify in more proper manner than this ..

what had happen clearly indicated there'r a lot of weaknesses in football, its up to FIFA n UEFA to addressed the issues so that they can avoid similar thing from happening,

although im waiting for platini to make and give his neutral  comment on this, the manner of his country qualified for final.. smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2009, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 20 2009, 06:46 PM)
Oh come on dude. We are talking about deliberate handball here and a ticket to World Cup Finals. Shirt tugging...I am not sure (depends). Dives? Yes! What Henry did was in the same class of cheap diving, diving without the slightest contact. I know some of you are defending him because he played for Arsenal, but you seriously saying it was not deliberate? First time the ball hit his palm...Okay it might be accidental but if you notice enough, he then direct the ball to to his feet before making that pass! It was like juggling the ball with his palm!

Toshio said we cannot really confirm whether it was intention/deliberate, and I agree with him. Only him and God knows, but the replay to me is very convincing that it was deliberate. I cannot find any reason that it was not.

Lol...you still dun get it do ya? Does he has the balls to deny it's handball after after doing such thing. The fact that it was deliberate makes him goes to the referee. If it was not, do you think he even care to to that? Henry was playing it smart.

Yes, end of day, referee made the call. But ask yourself, why resort doing such thing in the first place?  smile.gif
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It's not the point whether Henry played for Arsenal or not. It's the response, the aftermath, and the overboard condemnation towards him that's shameful.

If you look at the clips the first handball was an accidental rebound but the second one was deliberate, no arguments about that. Henry already admitted that it was a handball, so yes he has the balls to admit it. Again, it depends on the referee and he didn't make the call so he should shoulder some blame... not Henry alone.

Henry wasn't the first person do such thing... Rooney did it, Gerrard did it, Ronaldo did it, Drogba did it, everybody does it for their own reasons. It's not a noble thing to do, but to single out Henry and vilify him as such is pure absurd. What Henry did is definitely wrong, but it doesn't taint his reputation nor his previous contributions to football like many claim as such.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Nov 20 2009, 08:04 PM
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post Nov 20 2009, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 20 2009, 07:57 PM)
Next UEFA president should be non-euro.  thumbup.gif
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Sultan Ahmad Shah will do. Sure Malaysia will go WC.

Anyway Henry, he and god knows if he did it intentionally. Cmon, he's desperate to play WC. In desperation anything can happens. For us, the neutrals, don't blame him. Blame FIFA, the ref, and the linesman. Where's the fairplay thingy? How the hell will the players and managers will 'Respect' them if this continue? Oh wait, we cannot blame the ref, or linesman. Yep. They have immunity to do all things. FTW
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post Nov 20 2009, 10:10 PM

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anybody watched the press conference from Roy Keane just now? interesting...

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Nov 20 2009, 10:10 PM)
anybody watched the press conference from Roy Keane just now? interesting...

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post Nov 20 2009, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Nov 20 2009, 10:10 PM)
anybody watched the press conference from Roy Keane just now? interesting...

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roy keane at his best..complaining laugh.gif
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QUOTE(A 11 @ Nov 18 2009, 11:06 PM)
mon Dieu,  la main de Dieu
Is Thierry Henry a Cheat? a la Maradona, a la mano de Dios?
Was Anelka denied a penalty?
Does France deserve to be in World Cup?

YES, YES, YES!!

P.S. What  is Platini going to say? Does he have the gall now to lecture EPL now?
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At the end of the day, the outcome was the Right Result. Given's lámh Dé, tripping Anelka, was also a CHEATING move!
Roy Keane is right to mentioned that "Ireland had been the beneficiaries of fortunate decisions earlier in the campaign"
Robbie Keane blatantly cheated to win a penalty against the Georgia.

So to those who cried about being cheated stop moaning and behaving sanctiMOANiously

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post Nov 21 2009, 05:29 AM

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hahaha..

what goes around comes around
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Replay I don't think so. Punishment yes. I think FIFA will only punish few matches for Henry in the World Cup bcoz of his wrong doing. If let say the handball doesn't result the goal, will any one keep talking Henry is cheater? Same like some teams were dennied penalty. Point is every players is selfish, they will do anything to win. If lucky refree nv see, if unlucky just get warning or card.
Many times ppl are complaining on Fifa regarding the refrees, so now I think is a good time for them to rethink what is the best solution for fair play.
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QUOTE(smwah @ Nov 21 2009, 09:16 AM)
Replay I don't think so. Punishment yes. I think FIFA will only punish few matches for Henry in the World Cup bcoz of his wrong doing. If let say the handball doesn't result the goal, will any one keep talking Henry is cheater? Same like some teams were dennied penalty. Point is every players is selfish, they will do anything to win. If lucky refree nv see, if unlucky just get warning or card.
Many times ppl are complaining on Fifa regarding the refrees, so now I think is a good time for them to rethink what is the best solution for fair play.
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I dont think he should punish Henry. Right now, he is in no wrong to take advantage of the situation. And he did took it brilliantly. As much as anyone could hate him, you cant deny he's one of the smartest in this game.
The one whos wrong here is FIFA.

This post has been edited by visionary1993: Nov 21 2009, 09:23 AM
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post Nov 21 2009, 09:24 AM

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respect to henry.....

i saw the star today , and henry admit, and say that a replay is most fair...really respect him to say that....

not like that short fat drug guy.....


Added on November 21, 2009, 9:27 ambtw, visionary1993 is correct, blame FIFA

all this diving, hand ball will not happened if video replay was used...

This post has been edited by samlee860407: Nov 21 2009, 09:27 AM
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Supporters nowadays are so creative

http://www.jeu-de-main.com/


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...me-special.html
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post Nov 21 2009, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 21 2009, 02:07 PM)
lol that's fast...just few days already got that game keng =X
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Nov 20 2009, 06:21 PM)
that was like saying the foul itself doesn't matter, but when, where, against whom and what at stakes decide whether it matters or not?

seriously?
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read my post again, i mentioned impact and magnitude. look up those words in the dictionary. its the world cup, essentially you're screwing a whole country so expect A LOT of emotion to be involved. compared to league games around the world, even heck dare i say cup finals at club level, it just pales in comparison.

QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Nov 20 2009, 06:29 PM)
When people want to take the piss on certain players, they sprout every kind of rubbish available.
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and u might want to borrow that dictionary. brush up on some syntax while you're at it.

QUOTE(tungfunglaw @ Nov 20 2009, 06:46 PM)
Giving that you're in his position, WTF u going to do??
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as much as i'd like to answer that i can't. never played in a world cup qualifier and i'd rather not pretend that i have.
but in the event that i'm put in the same situation under the same circumstances i'd like to believe i wouldn't go to such lengths to secure a place. i don't buy that 'every other player would've done the same' rubbish. people are individuals and they're capable of making different choices. there are still good and honest players out there, so its unacceptable to lump them all under the same mentality. oh and have u noticed some parts of the french media are condemning henry as well?


one fine day if malaysia (by some stupendous miracle) are on the brink of world cup qualification only to be turned over by a similar incident, we'll see how many of us are willing to go 'easy' on the culprit eh? pretty damn sure all sentiment regarding club allegiance will be thrown out the window.just try and keep your rose tinted glasses on then. i dare you.
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Thing is I don't think anyone would've held any grudges on him (the French included) if Henry had held his hand up immediately and told the ref to cancel out the goal becoz it was obtained thru illegal means. If anything, he would've gone up alot in my book if he were to admit that he handled it intentionally and it shouldn't have been a goal. But hey, lets face it, not many players do that anymore (though there are a few notable exceptions) with the stakes so high. I can fully understand how gutted the Irish must feel, becoz lets face it, no one likes to lose like this, especially when its a spot at the World Cup on the line. Put yourself in their shoes before going around saying that they shld just take it in the chin. That said, its not totally Henry's fault becoz its the ref's responsibility to call a foul which in this case him and his linesman failed to spot (when everyone in the stadium saw it). Henry could've avoided all of this mess if he had been a lil bit honest, and I'm sure given the circumstances he'd probably not do it the same way if it happens again. Hopefully to many he'll still be remembered forever for all the good that he has done for football in his career than the bad though becoz he's a fantastic player.

Some sections of the French support are actually red-faced that they've succumbed to such methods to seal a place in the tournament. One of the top ten nations in the world, boasting players who are superstars for their respective clubs, former World Champions. They made it harder for themselves and who's to say that a place in the World Cup would benefit them more than missing out on it. England missed out on the Euros but since have swapped their coaches and are now probably one of the top contenders for the trophy in South Africa.
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Nov 20 2009, 08:03 PM)
It's not the point whether Henry played for Arsenal or not. It's the response, the aftermath, and the overboard condemnation towards him that's shameful.

If you look at the clips the first handball was an accidental rebound but the second one was deliberate, no arguments about that. Henry already admitted that it was a handball, so yes he has the balls to admit it. Again, it depends on the referee and he didn't make the call so he should shoulder some blame... not Henry alone.

Henry wasn't the first person do such thing... Rooney did it, Gerrard did it, Ronaldo did it, Drogba did it, everybody does it for their own reasons. It's not a noble thing to do, but to single out Henry and vilify him as such is pure absurd. What Henry did is definitely wrong, but it doesn't taint his reputation nor his previous contributions to football like many claim as such.
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I say it again, first time the ball hit his hand...understood. But the way he guide the guide the ball using his hand to his feet, I dunno how some of you guys failed to see that was deliberate. Again, as I said earlier, referee made the call but why did Henry resort to such cheap alternatives in the first place that amazed me. Single out Henry? You know why? It's ticket to World Cup finals and people are anticipating who are the remaining teams that will go SA. Who would have though France will go through with this kind of fair play? I guess not only Henry, if other players from others team did what Henry did, they will be slaughter too.

Rooney, Drogba, Gerrard all did it. If you talking about dives...yes. But deliberate handball like what Henry did, I am not so sure. But at least you are being honest about it. I just don't get it when some people failed to see it's deliberate.


Added on November 21, 2009, 4:13 pm
QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Nov 21 2009, 03:36 PM)
read my post again, i mentioned impact and magnitude. look up those words in the dictionary. its the world cup, essentially you're screwing a whole country so expect A LOT of emotion to be involved. compared to league games around the world, even heck dare i say cup finals at club level, it just pales in comparison.
and u might want to borrow that dictionary. brush up on some syntax while you're at it.
as much as i'd like to answer that i can't. never played in a world cup qualifier and i'd rather not pretend that i have.
but in the event that i'm put in the same situation under the same circumstances i'd like to believe i wouldn't go to such lengths to secure a place. i don't buy that 'every other player would've done the same' rubbish. people are individuals and they're capable of making different choices. there are still good and honest players out there, so its unacceptable to lump them all under the same mentality. oh and have u noticed some parts of the french media are condemning henry as well?
one fine day if malaysia (by some stupendous miracle) are on the brink of world cup qualification only to be turned over by a similar incident, we'll see how many of us are willing to go 'easy' on the culprit eh? pretty damn sure all sentiment regarding club allegiance will be thrown out the window.just try and keep your rose tinted glasses on then. i dare you.
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Added on November 21, 2009, 4:14 pm
QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 20 2009, 07:55 PM)
ok...after seing it time and time again, it was clearly that the ball was heading towards his hand, i dont see henry lifted his hand towards the ball, its more like otherwise, did he took advantage of the situation?, yes he did, as a player who is desperate to win the match ..where is the linesman to begin with?, cant put all the blame on the ref thou cause he's was in the blind spot when this happen..situation like this always trigger the question why dont we have video replay?..

calling henry a cheater was clearly unfair  because what had happen, happen in the blink of an eye, so is he innocent? for me he's innocent in the blind side of the rules,, i can pretty sure that as a great player him self, he definetly want france to qualify in more proper manner than this ..

what had happen clearly indicated there'r a lot of weaknesses in football, its up to FIFA n UEFA to addressed the issues so that they can avoid similar thing from happening,

although im waiting for platini to make and give his neutral  comment on this, the manner of his country qualified for final.. smile.gif
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Wrong...I mentioned many times? Why resort to such alternatives to begin with? smile.gif

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Nov 21 2009, 04:14 PM
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i don't think we should blame Henry, as player he need continue the game until referee blew the whistle, i 100% blame FIFA (for not use video tech like tennis and rugby or use other referee in penalty box) and referee+linesman

let image u play for Malaysia in World Cup play off and use ur hand to assist before ur teammate score, did u go to ref and tell it handball?just the same thing about Maradona`s hand of god case
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I see someone here said deliberate diving more OK than deliberate ball handling.

what a nice comment to defend own team

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