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post Feb 2 2010, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(weikian @ Feb 2 2010, 11:11 AM)
Its not investment my friend. Its a saving plan and its not meant to be investment. Its for child education purposes. You will not want to put your son's education to investment.
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That is precisely the thing to do! Imagine you can invest for 18 years before your child needs the fund, your fund will be compounded many times over thus provides better returns than a saving scheme, so you can send your child for quality education for a 'cheaper' cost. I know lots of people who have separate investment account for their children even before they are born. laugh.gif And I do too. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(weikian @ Feb 2 2010, 11:11 AM)
Its not investment my friend. Its a saving plan and its not meant to be investment. Its for child education purposes. You will not want to put your son's education to investment.
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Aren't we just playing with definitions here? a savings account is liquid, this means if I want I can just go to the ATM and take it out. If you tie something up for 18 years, you can't call it "savings" smile.gif

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post Feb 4 2010, 10:23 AM

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By the way, i get a different explanation by friend.

Let say u invest rm300 per month, and rm3.6k per year, according to the HLA u will get a bonus around +-rm400 (10%) per year.

the rm3.6k per year will have compounding interest of 4.5-6.5% per year in additional to the bonus of rm400 paid.

while every year if u plan not to taken out your bonus that worth around +-rm400, you ll get additional 5.5% interest (amount not guarantee) on the rm400.



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post Feb 4 2010, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Feb 4 2010, 10:23 AM)
By the way, i get a different explanation by friend.

Let say u invest rm300 per month, and rm3.6k per year, according to the HLA u will get a bonus around +-rm400 (10%) per year.

the rm3.6k per year will have compounding interest of 4.5-6.5% per year in additional to the bonus of rm400 paid.

while every year if u plan not to taken out your bonus that worth around +-rm400, you ll get additional 5.5% interest (amount not guarantee) on the rm400.
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YES, for 1year saving rm3,700+.. Will get rm500 is guaranteed cash payment and rm200 cash dividend bonus(base on company performance).

While Limited unit ONLY , will be close on 9 Feb 2010.
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post Jun 5 2010, 06:45 PM

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Recently one of my friends promoting HLA Wealth Builder to me. More info on the scheme can be found here --> HLA Wealth Builder

I have been trying to find the relevant topic but cannot find it here. Somehow, I felt skeptical when he assured me that the yield for capital growth can achieve >4.5% per year while non-withdrawal guaranteed income can get around 5.5%. So, I desperately needed some advice by financial guru here on whether this scheme is worth investing compare to other investment scheme such as UT. Feedbacks from buyers are welcomed on why they decided to buy it.

Another question, what's the difference between this scheme and the earlier HLA Cash Builder scheme? icon_question.gif
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post Jun 5 2010, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Jun 5 2010, 06:45 PM)
Recently one of my friends promoting HLA Wealth Builder to me. More info on the scheme can be found here --> HLA Wealth Builder

I have been trying to find the relevant topic but cannot find it here. Somehow, I felt skeptical when he assured me that the yield for capital growth can achieve >4.5% per year while non-withdrawal guaranteed income can get around 5.5%. So, I desperately needed some advice by financial guru here on whether this scheme is worth investing compare to other investment scheme such as UT. Feedbacks from buyers are welcomed on why they decided to buy it.

Another question, what's the difference between this scheme and the earlier HLA Cash Builder scheme?  icon_question.gif
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post Jun 5 2010, 10:43 PM

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Thanks for the info. They closed the cash builder scheme last time. Now are they just repackage and introduce this wealth builder scheme?

As far as I concern, this new payment scheme can last until you 90 years old. Will it worth it if you can live till that long?
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post Jun 5 2010, 11:44 PM

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my mum bought it for me. it locks for 6 years but only can touch d money thereafter 10years sth litat
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QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Jun 5 2010, 11:44 PM)
my mum bought it for me. it locks for 6 years but only can touch d money thereafter 10years sth litat
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hmm.gif so you think it is worth the investment?
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 18 2009, 10:59 PM)
OK lets do some maths:

You need to put in RM 295.00/mth for 6 years.

Thereafter you get back RM 700.00/year + 5.5% on the dividend = RM 738.50/p.a for the next 30 years.

Part 1 of the calculation (The accumulation phase)
Mode = Begin, since your payment is paid at the beginning of the period
PMT = -(RM 295.00)
Period, N = 12mths x 6years = 72 periods
Present Value ,PVi = 0 meaning you start accumulation from zero
Interest rate, since you are not getting anything during this accumulation period, you are losing money because inflation is working against you. Therefore, I = (Growth - Inflation)/(1+inflation). I am using the conventional 5% inflation for calculation purpose. Therefore effective I = (0-5)/1.05 = -4.7619% p.a. or divided by twelve = 0.3968% per month.

Using these values I presented above I key in the figures into a financial calculator, your get a Future Value (FVi) = RM 18,433.48

Part 2 of the calculation (The distribution phase)
I will use Begin Mode as well, since I assume you will get your annuity due (payment) at the beginning of the period.
PMT = RM 700.00 + 5.5% = RM 738.50/p.a
Period, N = 30 years
Let the Present Value (PVii) equal to the above calculated FVi i.e. = RM 18,433.48
Let Future Value (FVii) = 0, since after 30 years you will get nothing back.
Now keying these new sets of figure into the financial calculator to calculate the Internal Rate Return or Return on Investment (ROI) for the whole 36 years tenure. (from start of the program until the end of distribution phase)

And....

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IRR or ROI(I) = 1.32% p.a.(annualised)

Taa Daa.....

Are you happy with this ROI?

Even FD is consistently hovering above 2%

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wow,good explanation.
but not i quite understand how u calculated .
can teach me ar..more details for it
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Jun 6 2010, 12:08 AM)
hmm.gif  so you think it is worth the investment?
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it is relatively higher return but it requires higher premium as well.


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post Jun 6 2010, 03:51 PM

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hi xuzen from what I understand the distribution starts even on the first year itself
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post Jun 12 2010, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 2 2010, 02:30 PM)
Aren't we just playing with definitions here? a savings account is liquid, this means if I want I can just go to the ATM and take it out. If you tie something up for 18 years, you can't call it "savings" smile.gif
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urrr... if u keep withdrawing from that "savings" account, what will u manage to "save" sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif ?
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post Dec 20 2010, 01:44 AM

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yaya.. i sign up this plan...not bad...worth to buy la.. if put in fix deposit or amanah saham the interest nt so high... this 1 return is better..no risk...free insurance..y not sign up... smile.gif smile.gif
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post Dec 20 2010, 11:13 AM

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Just my two cent, I have done a simple comparison between "the Builder" and "FD" for ten year with flat rate of 3.0 per annum

I notice the return is slightly similar, " but if any financial difficulty," the builder will hurt my total saving a lot.

I been ask my agent, they said " if we didn't complete the policy year, the money we get will depend on the surrender value T_T "

Advice : " pls buy within your financial ability, and never think about taking it out after 6 to 15 year ... or you will suffer lost
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QUOTE(cheekiyaya @ Nov 18 2009, 09:37 AM)
Has anyone subscribed to this scheme or heard of it?

Someone introduced me this plan a while ago.

It's a force savings plan actually. You will need to pay monthly for 6 years only. The savings amount depends on how much you want to save, the agent will work out the rate for you. If you're saving about RM250, you will get yearly dividend (according to company performance) of RM700 (more or less). If you didnt withdraw any amount of dividend (there's a limit), they will add on 5.5% bonus on top of ur dividend. The dividend will be given for 35 years, but you can opt to withdraw after 6 years.

For those who know about it, may i know your opinion? Thanks!  nod.gif\

CORRECTION!!!!

It's RM295 per month (RM3550 per year), pay for 6 years, for a period of 30 years
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I tell everyone here la.. i am actuarial science student... actually internal rate of return for this product is just 3 % only.. just they use the time period and pay out rate to make us think it is high return..

eventually the best way to accumulate fund is by share.. however is you want to make it safer.. i tell you all .. a mutual fund will be the best way...
insurance saving product will not eventually help you to accumulate fund.. it just another type of FD with protection..






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post Jan 15 2011, 12:03 AM

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First of All, Identify what is your financial objective, this is going to decide how long you are going to set aside your money and the risk tolerance suitable for your investment.

Furthermore, identify how much is required for your financial objective(Present Value), inflation rate(Urban Area 6% according to Star News Paper) and what is the future value for example 18 years down the road, what is the actual value of your financial objective.

Quote for example:
If you would like fund for your education RM500, 000 for Present value. What is this RM500, 000 is going to be after 18 years?

Tips: Using Microsoft Excel look for FV function for the above calculation.

Or Financial Calculator.

Then only decide what kind of financial product suitable funding for your objective.

Tips: In order to find out insurance saving product ROI, you may use MS Excel IRR function.

Hope the above information would be helpful to you!

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rclxms.gif Don't Buy Those Insurance and Get Cheated by Those Bank Rich People smile.gif

You only make them become richer biggrin.gif

Hong Leong is just a tiny local bank and you $ will stuck there while you get desperate for just 10% over

Do Your Own Business or Invest in Hong Kong Shanghai, Standard Charted, etc unless you really no $ and desperate for chicken little hong leong bank

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post May 1 2011, 09:16 AM

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These sort of thing is not capital protected.
That means if after 6 years u take it out u just only break even.

If u want to invest so badly just go buy the shares of the banks which are still cheap.

If u buy insurance u r just making the agent rich.
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post May 2 2011, 03:19 AM

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im just going to say one thing.

the 5.5% or 12% or whatever % they guarantee you return. are u sure it's on your dividend?

most of the time this % returns is on YOUR SUM ASSURED. not the money you put in. go check.

secondly , if HLA is offering such a damn good savings plan, why are they not part of HLB?

You go put your investment in an insurance company whereby the agents already eat 35% of the commission plus acquisition cost, etc. make sense?

you want investment, go buy from a bank / unit trust.

you want protection, go buy from insurance company.

google word insurance. it means protection, cash value, savings, etc is a bonus. you want investments, go buy from a bank.

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