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 ~**Proton CPS club V5**~, ....Calling all CPS owner..buzz..buzz...

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post Nov 16 2009, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(clsia1001 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:11 AM)
Congratz on V5.. thumbup.gif
Gonna join da club.. rclxm9.gif
zenwarlord,
"Mivec gearbox code number start with F5M42-1-xxxx, "if" proton punch their own number then very hard to tell by physical outlook."

How to check the gearbox code number huh? tongue.gif
sphiroth,
"AFAIK, it comes standard no matter what kind of loans you take. Actually, its more like an insurance kinda thingy rather than normal warranty."

Mean all also comes with 5 years warranty? The PDF in PE website seem from Allianz Bank one..:erm:
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Its like Proton is buying insurance from Alliance bank. So the bank will pay if the engine is damage. (from what I heard).
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Nov 16 2009, 07:58 AM)
Mivec gearbox code number start with F5M42-1-xxxx, "if" proton punch their own number then very hard to tell by physical outlook.
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Where to see the code?

QUOTE(pedanglaut @ Nov 16 2009, 08:33 AM)
i've check my gen2 cps MT gearbox use F5M42 with 4.312 final drive..
i think they use same gearbox with MIVEC but diff final drive to suite cps power band nod.gif
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But its kinda weird that they use mivec GB in the later batch.. hmm.gif


Added on November 16, 2009, 11:38 am
QUOTE(clsia1001 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:21 AM)
If so does that mean my car insurance MUST be Allianz Bank also? Or any insurance company will do?  hmm.gif
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Proton is the one who bought the insurance.

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post Nov 16 2009, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(eastwest @ Nov 16 2009, 11:58 AM)
sphiroth, what is the gearbox used for our batch? Actually what is the different between our batch and newer one?
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Don't know where to see the serial. And my car is quite low to peek at the GB.
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post Nov 16 2009, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(clsia1001 @ Nov 16 2009, 12:41 PM)
Mean Proton buy insurance n then give 5 year warranty to us? We only enjoy the insurance coverage lidat?
Jack up n peep lol...tongue.gif
Mivec is better? Only for Waja CPS isit?
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Means that in our consumer POV, it still the same with normal warranty.


Added on November 16, 2009, 3:01 pmGB serial KF5M-42XXXXX

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post Nov 16 2009, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Nov 16 2009, 04:25 PM)
is it K-F5M-421? Anyway it's not original GB, so ur next mod is to install Mivec GB with LSD hehehe RM2.5K
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Just done a simple 'research'. Not much difference if upgrade to mivec gb.

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post Nov 16 2009, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(VerM @ Nov 16 2009, 07:40 PM)
if lock the autodrive at 110km/h.... the rpm needle shown at .... ops... heavy rain laaa... eyes on the road... maybe next time.... tongue.gif


Added on November 16, 2009, 7:45 pm

yours have no cat con lerr...
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Speed on the speedometer are calculated from rpm and gear position, with the parameter already set in the ecu. So, any mod will not change the displayed speed but will change the actual speed.
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post Nov 16 2009, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(coz4u @ Nov 16 2009, 08:19 PM)
waaa sphiroth, your explanation abit too ununderstandable. haha. can explain to me why is my rpm higher compare to the rest again?smile.gif
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No idea. It supposed to be the same for all car with same ecu mapping, engine and gearbox.
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post Nov 16 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 16 2009, 08:29 PM)
actually its the gear ratio that determine your car speed, not ECU...

example...
if both the cars are running same engine and same gearbox ratio... @3k rpm both the car speed is at 100 km/h.... irregardless of the rim/tyres used (as those affect the readings only)...

why u have a higher rpm?
clutch slipping or somehow for your particular car, proton gives u a special ratio or your rpm meter sudah gila abit...
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Got confused with electronic speedometer. doh.gif


Added on November 16, 2009, 8:42 pm
QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 16 2009, 08:36 PM)
my idle is also at 1k rpm....

100 km/h @ 5th gear is ....... i forgot
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tomorrow i go try...
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Your idle is abit high, mine is 900++. To compensate your mod maybe brows.gif

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Nov 16 2009, 09:35 PM)
I juz has a look at my GB code. it KF5M422V7B1 then follow by DY7623. 2 rows.

so its a mivec GB? how to tell the gear ratio?

u can read ur waja cps GB number in between the right engine mounting and the engine block. its very obvious. if stand at the right headlamp, u can peek at it. smile.gif
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Mivec code should be without the K. Yours same with mine.
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Nov 16 2009, 11:40 PM)
urs is gen2 rite? maybe a bit different from waja...
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Means that Gen2 got different ratio from Waja although both are cps.
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Nov 17 2009, 07:49 AM)
Yes u r right, there is not much different in each gear, but the FD does the matter.
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If you take a look at the graph I upload, the difference between the two is not obvious. The graph actually compares between cps gb (green) and mivec gb (red).
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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Nov 17 2009, 08:35 AM)
whats the satria neo gearbox codes? actually, bigger number for the FD is better for top speed only? as i understand, smaller FD number is meant for faster sprints...
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QUOTE(pedanglaut @ Nov 17 2009, 09:53 AM)
actually bigger FD low speed but high pickup.. nod.gif
connection between engine, transmission and wheel:
Wheel Speed (m/s) = Effective Wheel radius (meter) x (2pi x RPM/60)/(Final drive x gear ratio) 
Wheel torque (Nm) = Engine torque (at specific RPM) x (Final drive x gear ratio)

in much simpler notation:
lets say, total gear ratio T = Final drive x Gear ratio

Speed = RPM/T    *low T more speed
Torque = Engine torque x T    *high T more torque

so, we can say if set of same gear ratio..higher FD give more pickup (Wheel Torque) but Slower speed nod.gif
sori for babbling here hehe tongue.gif
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Its like using a bigger sprocket on a bike (the one attach to the rear wheel). Bigger, easier to paddle but don't have top speed, and vice versa.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 17 2009, 04:58 PM)
5th gear
100 km/h @ 2.8k rpm...
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Bro, whats your gb serial? brows.gif
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QUOTE(eujinee @ Nov 17 2009, 10:11 PM)
never heard tht b4...heheh........better get a piggy back or something.....v manage or unichip...
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One thing I don't like about unichip is I can't play2 with the setting myself.
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QUOTE(eujinee @ Nov 18 2009, 09:28 AM)
yah...many ppl reco haltech...........but it is super expensive.!!!!
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Nov 18 2009, 09:49 AM)
hahaha....good stuff never comes cheap.
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But without a good tuner and extensive mod done, it will be such a waste.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Nov 18 2009, 11:36 AM)
Can get R3 division to tune but has to complete the mechanical upgrade 1st ler.....
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For that kind of price, better get BOT. brows.gif
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QUOTE(ThienWu @ Nov 18 2009, 07:25 PM)
what the progress sphiroth.. on or off ur unchip project????
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Almost 90% off. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(VerM @ Nov 19 2009, 01:25 PM)
with all the computation involved (i.e gear ratios, final drive), it is still the same gearbox. unless some one here is having or intending to replace their gearbox, it leads to no where...  wink.gif
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Who knows, maybe these info will come in handy to 'some' person. whistling.gif laugh.gif
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Just finish claying my car. Damn tiring job. Still need to wax using sealant next.
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QUOTE(jVIPERs2 @ Nov 19 2009, 10:49 PM)
Well, they can juz get the unit shown on the EVE concept.. Or since they are juz 'outsourcing', juz get a decent one~  tongue.gif
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The main constrain of EV is the battery cost and lifetime, and also problem with disposing old batteries.

QUOTE(jVIPERs2 @ Nov 19 2009, 10:49 PM)
Hmmm..I read here (at lowyat.net) once that a Saga or Waja (can't remember) which the owner swap to CVT..  hmm.gif
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I think its Waja, using CVT from 1.6 Lancer GLX if not mistaken.


Added on November 19, 2009, 11:18 pm
QUOTE(ben_cps @ Nov 19 2009, 11:10 PM)
does waja cps (m) have EBD???
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Yes.

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Nov 19 2009, 11:48 PM)
after claying, u should do some minor polishing. this will have better effect to smoothen the rough surface and give it a natural shine. then only add sealant layer. and wax as final. smile.gif it will be super shiny...
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Sealant should be the last step. Too lazy too wax, just use quick detailer and straight away put sealant.

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