and just to add, the writer paints all things bad.

from what I observe, usually when you're junior is when you work your bum off to get peanuts.

as you progress, you will be paid more but whether the amount of work scales according to the amount paid is subjective to the organization.

start as junior, RM 2k and do everything instructed but as you progress, say reaching managerial level, then you get RM 5k but you get to instruct others, while being instructed only by those higher than you. lesser work but more responsibility, so to speak.

perhaps the writer himself is just a freshie who's complaining about his / her working condition as it is evident that he / she doesn't seem to be (based on the article) someone who has progressed in that particular line of job.

what do you guys think?

it depend on individual perspectives, some people enjoy what they are doing even though other people think the job hell like shit, i envyed people who have passion on their job and become someone respected in their field. I do admit that some profession got no future at all and this is a fact that cannot be changed. Young generation who are about to get into university should think carefully what they want to become after their graduated otherwise they will end up like what TS posted.

A working professional is someone WITHOUT any delusions of grandeur. Another piece of advice for those freshlings out there with gung-ho attitude, if you do not know shit from Shinola, it's good to learn from seniors. Don't go complaining every now and then.

It makes you less of a nincompoop than you already was.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Roll your sleeves and start digging in the dirt. Nothing is easy in this world.

TS u sound so pathethic lol sorry

life dun always turns out they way we want but work hard la. no girls like guy who b**** abt works and superior lolz.

u'll end up wif a perodua wif the rest of ur life with this kind of attitude

A cow is hardworking. Does it gives the cow some other viable options?

Driving a Malaysian car does not mean a person is not well to do. I've known a few of rich tycoons wearing "pagoda" brand singlet at home. How does this sounded to you? They should be cladding in Giorgio Armani, D&G, Elie Saab, Atelier Versace, Adeline André, so on and so forth. Go figure yourself.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Sorry for using the word "cow" as an example. It was used for reinstate my point of query. I will remove it if someone feels offended. It is not meant to insult the Malaysian Hindus community.

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Nov 16 2009, 04:40 PM

i am thinking the writer of the story is the "main character" in the story himself...probably writing just to release grunts kua...otherwise he is somebody who is the opposite of the main character and thinks the main character is a loser...

no ppl ask u to work hard only la

work hard n smart

btw we was talking abt cars, cars and lousy s hirt r 2 different categories.

i think u belong to the same category wif ts la. work till dulan come here b keyboard warrior saja

agree agree!

If you go and ask form five or college kids what they want to be, most of them will say engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants. Any other profession is not considered as successful. I think its the lack of knowledge on careers that most malaysian have. I remember all my matriculation mates wants to be in medical (eyes, teeth, Pharm, etc) or engineering. Whether they know what engineers do is different matter. When i told one of my teacher im taking Geology, he even asked me how bad my final examination are.

yup ... totally agree ... but mostly its influence from parents / relatives ....

most parents n relatives aka older generation ( including mine ) will always tot that having a popular job is a guaranteed success ... when i failed to get my degree i worked as sales b4 .... n during CNY everyone juz ask me wats my job , i told them sales they'll either say "oh,sell wat?" or "thts y la , lazy so din get degree" .... while other cousins , their parents will gather up n start boasting "wah,my son now auditor" , "my daughter goin to b dentist" , " my son engineer in a very big company"

so is it being a sales a humiliation? well at least to these ppl perspective , a job without a popular title n big company attach together means u r either low paid or u haf no bright prospect ... even once i got an offer to b officer in a mnc , pay is like 2-3k , but all ppl say no future n condemn me kaw-kaw ...

im not the one writting this. im just sharing. please read carefully. cheers

apparently those people never realize that a diploma holder who knows how to speak decently can do sales.

and the 4 years (at least) for them to get their degree along the course fees - we're talking about 4 years studying + 40k (at least) for those courses. compare that with the person who has 3 years head start + earnings.

so by the time both are at 22, one just finished 4 years and spent 40k for studies. the other already had 3 years working experience and assuming 1.5k for 1st year, 2k 2nd year and 2.5k for 3rd year when it comes to salary, the fella averages at 2k per month for 3 years, coming to RM 72k worth of incoming $$$ already.

Being in Big4 for around 2 months, i can confirm that what TS said almost 99% is real but he or she forgot to mention one thing.
Why everybody whom already knew about the horror of Big4 (from anyone who cares to share) still WANTS to join.
Most that goes in armed with the objective of getting as much as they can before they got their professional title (3-4 years) then leave for for good.
The firm ALSO acknowledge this and unleash a full barrage of dung to juniors. The problem is can you absorb and handle it. So the manager thinks how mush s(he) can PUSH you and how much you can PULL from them. Its a situation where "You used me and I use you back". Win-win scenario or scratching your back is gross understatement.

In Big4 if you are dealing with Top40 MYS companies, then it will be true hell & nightmare for auditors (loads & loads of subsidiary to handle + lack of staff ). Some may think that if you finished your job than you can go home, yeah as soon as you finished it, another will kicks in and then another one. Not to mentioned the journey to client (if its far). My client is around 20km from my house (40km back & forth + traffic jam + toll).

Very true indeed.

lol... u should try working at oversea... it's different....

I totally agree. As the more senior they are, despite heavier responsibilities, they can delegate all the work to the staff and senior. For myself, if I have sufficient staff, I'd just review files and deal with managers/partner. If no staff, need to rolled up my sleeves and DIY.

not fair to calculate like dat lar man...so many other possible figures leh...wat if continue calculating to 10 years, 20 years...who knows the limit or progress of a dip. salesperson and a professional. other than working attitude and knowledge, other unforeseen and beyond control aspects are there, such as opportunities right?

i for one is discomfort with a person who is or does complain about his job.
The usual rants
A complain comes only if the person does not know how to deliver the job,

A complain comes only if a person does want to investigate what happen to prior to complaining about the issue.

A complain comes when he is given a task, even worse if he doesnt know how to deliver the task!

Let me share with you this,

1. you are a employee, your boss gives u a task, why does he give you?
because you are paid to do so. right? why complain?

2. why he doesnt gives it to another person? because he knows you are good with your work or u have time to spare (positive/negative its your choice)

Now if you are indeed very tight down with work, talk to your boss about it, let him know that you are tight down with your load, ask him for more time, if he insists that you to take it. Negotiate with him. give him a solution instead ask for an answer, tell him you need X amount of time to finish your work nicely n live to it. Now if he does not gives u ample time to finish your load, Spend more time working, because at the end of the day your CV will be much nicer. and its time for an employer who pays you more because of your more beautiful CV. Therefore it pays to work hard .

the best is when a person complains about the job being boring n unsuitable...then blames the boss, the company n the whole wide world...

but when asked "what do you want to do then?", the answer is a "i dunno"....