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TSFalk
post Nov 10 2009, 06:49 PM, updated 17y ago

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Yes, I realize there's an existing (two) topics there. However with the disclaimer that I'm likely to offend quite a number of people, I'd like this to be read rather than buried within the masses off pointless one-line posts about opinions everyone's heard said a hundred times by a dozen different sites. I'd also like to think that I'm at least semi-well-known within the CoD4 competitive community so at least there's some insight coming from that slice of the community regarding what the future may or may not hold.

Mods: If you disagree with the above, you can always merge this into one of the existing threads. No hard feelings, and sorry for the inconvenience. wink.gif

Anyway, first, the negatives. We learnt last month that our most anticipated release this decade would be wingclipped without dedicated servers. I was as pissed off as the rest, naturally, as that'd mean that -even if- competitive play worked, the community would have to come out of their comfort zone to get it to work, which isn't a choice many would make. Of course, IW then went on to reveal no consoles, no mod tools (officially - was only inferred prior), no features like lean, etc which just cemented the fact that the competitive community, myself included, was going to completely shun this game unless a miracle happened. Days went by and it ticked closer to launch. No change.

The bottom line is we got a glorified console port for 10USD above the usual retail price - for literally no good reason except for Activision running an experiment regarding making more money - their own words. I'd be honest with you. I got my copy yesterday semi-subsidized (can't go into the details) and I honestly, honestly would have given it a pass had I been required to pay the full amount.

The dichotomy here is interesting - We all already knew with the original dedicated server announcement that without some serious head-cracking at IW, the game wouldn't be competitive. No lean, no console etc was just more nails in a coffin 90% sealed shut. At that point my hopes for the game competitively went out the window. Yet I was still excited for the release of the game (the same way I'm looking forward to SC2 or D3, etc) because IW tells amazing stories, has amazing artists and sound engineers, and their games are always works of art.

Honestly, after playing through the SP campaign (which is completely EPIC, btw), I'd still say 'not really'. If it were priced at the usual ~45-50USD, then maybe. But caving in to Activision's get-rich-quick(er) scheme strikes me a little like lapping up their vomit and submitting. No thanks.

The question I keep running into post-purchase is, 'was it worth what I paid?'.'Would I have paid 60USD for it?'.

If the game had delivered that amazing SP experience PLUS a solid hope of being the future of competitive FPS, something that both CS and CoD4 players alike would flock to, then yes, it'd be fully worth the extra dosh.

It's still a good game. I just feel like at the moment it's an overpriced swan with its wings clipped. Whether said swan will ever fly in future, that's really up to IW and patches. The fact that a key binding for 'console' is listed in the manual strikes me that it's not something that they decided on at the start of development, just something they turned off close to the release candidate - meaning their minds may not be set in stone that much about the entire deal.

Conclusion: I'd recommend anyone holding on to their cash to still do so, try out the game at a cafe, and if only buy if you think your experience was worth USD60 along with the fact that you'd get spec ops and the ability to play pubs (lol). I personally don't. It's close - really close, but the deal sealer like I said above is not wanting to lap up Activision's vomit.

Maybe my opinion will change after playing around with the multiplayer a bit. Who knows.


Added on November 10, 2009, 6:57 pmOops, forgot to share the two main positives I got from running through SP

- SP is completely epic - it had something CoD4 didn't have - all-out war between two superpowers, except this time we're not using Garands and STG-44s all over again. CoD4 basically was a steamroll of Iraq (or whatever you believe the Al-Asad's country to be) and then a few covert ops missions. MW2's on the other hand campaign brings back paratroopers, trenches, tanks, artillery, completely blown out cityscapes, and puts all that in a modern setting introducing stuff like UAVs, nukes, terrorism.
- Sound engine is a -lot- better. Maybe I'm a little too oversensitive due to my line of work, but I felt that a lot of FPS sound engines really, really detracted from the experience. Don't get me wrong, CoD4's sound effects were awesome, but had that very plasticky quality you get from directional sound being a simple volume-based pan. MW2's seems to have environmental reverb, much better directional cues, and almost every gun is a pleasure to fire (the youtube videos don't do the sound clips justice). The only caveat is that the overall levels seem to be lower (probably to avoid clipping/distortion) but hey, that's what volume control knobs are for. Not to mention the greater dynamic range just adds to the experience anyway.

Also P.S.
Competitive? Probably not. Existing CoD4 scene is likely to stick with Promod Live 2.04 in terms of cash prize tourneys and leagues, with the occasional fun scrim (SnD or otherwise) with MW2... although the lack of people buying originals (for good reason) may be quite a big wrench in that works.

We'll see how the coming months look.

edit: Seeing as how this post is linked to on a couple of other forums and websites, some other posts of interest for quick skimming of the thread:
- multiplayer part of the review
- What's wrong with IW.net and how simple shit would fix it
- fraps done on request

This post has been edited by Falk: Nov 11 2009, 09:31 PM
JuzJoe
post Nov 10 2009, 06:58 PM

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Thanks for the thought, I hope you get to the multiplayer part ASAP as I'm eager to know if it's any good. Please let us know if there is any huge latency issues and how is the limited number of players affect the overall multiplayer experience.
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post Nov 10 2009, 07:17 PM

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Thanks for the honest review.

I do want to see how bad is the MP.

Aussies didnt like it in general.
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post Nov 10 2009, 07:27 PM

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bro tldr doing assignment version ada?
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:15 PM

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i think for those that keep shouting MP sucks...
i think BETTER if we all try it out first before jumping to the conclusion.
Since is the first day, most people haven't even started playing MP and still try out the game or havent get their hands on one YET~
so..in the next few weeks, more malaysian player will be online...
and that time, let us decide if the MP really lags like hell and sucks..
before the results is out..please....don't keep saying the MP sucks

one more thing, do you even own one copy of the game?
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:26 PM

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Its normal, malaysian react to who shouts the loudest. And since the loudest shout was OMG IT SUCKS, tentatively the crowd follows.

My ideals are still the same, ill be getting it, testing and reviewing with falk. We've been discussing it over MSN for quite a while now and review wise is pretty balanced. At this point, the game is pretty much 5/10 since MP cant be reviewed. So, with MP included, you'd probably see the end result +/- 2 or 3.

Buttt, activision probably got their share of hate mail already


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post Nov 10 2009, 08:33 PM

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so the SP is like the previous CoD eh? this is gonna be fun, modern war in full scale battles!
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(Qirin @ Nov 10 2009, 08:15 PM)
i think for those that keep shouting MP sucks...
i think BETTER if we all try it out first before jumping to the conclusion.
Since is the first day, most people haven't even started playing MP and still try out the game or havent get their hands on one YET~
so..in the next few weeks, more malaysian player will be online...
and that time, let us decide if the MP really lags like hell and sucks..
before the results is out..please....don't keep saying the MP sucks

one more thing, do you even own one copy of the game?
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i do sad.gif but that ******* together with a few other games are sitting in their plastic cover taunting me.....
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:43 PM

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if thats the ping that msian is getting, this is gonna be a flop. for sure
TSFalk
post Nov 10 2009, 09:01 PM

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I've played about 10 games so far and every single one is a lagfest. At least 1/4 of the people had orange latencies in each game, me included. At least 3 of the games were unplayable with 1 bar out of 4 on the indicator (felt like 350-450ish to me. Not exaggerating)

Maybe it's the lack of local players playing atm, but jesus why can't they have included dedicated servers so that you can just join Fragnetics or whatever.

I'd rather play with 4 players than wonder if I'll hit myself with my own bullets just running forwards every single game. IW.net's first impression = complete ass. I don't even want to imagine what it's like in Europe where in-game voice chat is a lot more commonly used and IW.net matchmakes you with people you can't even understand 3/4 of the time. In every single other FPS you'd develop hangout spots - there's no such thing with IW.net. Of course, everyone's heard all these a million times now, so I won't bother ranting any further with this line.

IW.net is basically Infinity Ward saying "sup guys, America is the only country worth considering. LONG LIVE CAPITALISM."

On the flip side and as part of a fair and honest review though, (and of course completely discounting the possibility of this game going seriously into WCG/WGT or even CEVO/CSL as a permanent fixture) the way they designed unlocks/levelling/perks/gun mods make a LOT more sense than in CoD4... and it probably would have been a blast to play as a fun, non-competitive, let-off-steam multiplayer FPS if IW.net wasn't constantly taking a dump in the dessert.

Also the USP still owns. That is all. :V

p.s. disconnecting to (lol) roll dice again hoping to find another match with a better ping apparently counts as a loss.

This post has been edited by Falk: Nov 11 2009, 01:10 AM
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:08 PM

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Still ain't buying it YET!
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:18 PM

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So... is there local search feature in any shape or form?

Btw, you should post this in IW forums. Who knows there might be a slim chance that a developer might read it?

EDIT:
And also, could you post your speedtest.net result here? Just so that I can imagine how badly I'll lag with my douche line.

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TSFalk
post Nov 10 2009, 09:20 PM

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actually i changed my mind 60usd is completely worth it because you get to shoot an unlimited number of brazillians in single player

edit: posting on the forums is a really futile exercise considering the signal to noise ratio there, and the main conduit still being Bob XBOX02. There are more direct lines of feedback, and yes I will be making myself heard.

This post has been edited by Falk: Nov 10 2009, 09:22 PM
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Falk @ Nov 10 2009, 09:20 PM)
actually i changed my mind 60usd is completely worth it because you get to shoot an unlimited number of brazillians in single player

edit: posting on the forums is a really futile exercise considering the signal to noise ratio there, and the main conduit still being Bob XBOX02. There are more direct lines of feedback, and yes I will be making myself heard.
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Why do you hate brazillians lol biggrin.gif
TSFalk
post Nov 10 2009, 09:24 PM

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Are you new to the internet? sad.gif
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Falk @ Nov 10 2009, 09:24 PM)
Are you new to the internet? sad.gif
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No i r notzz biggrin.gif Please explain smile.gif
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:35 PM

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huh..im curious too..enlight me..
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wow just remembered sum thing you can do to have a winning edge over other players.

lag switch any 1?

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post Nov 10 2009, 10:22 PM

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I think we shouldn't blindly follow others.
I love COD..my first ever High-end game was COD 4 and i love it.
since then, i'm a fan of COD.
I played other FPS (BIA, Crysis..) but dunno why, COD is the only one that won't let me feel pressure and frustrated.
I cheated in Crysis, and never finish BIA:HH...
but COD...i finish it all...even on Veteran level...

I AM GOING TO BUY IT!!! PAID THE DEPOSIT ALREADY.....
but i believe the reason MP will suck is because our country just have too many people play PIRATED GAMES~
I admit..most of the games i play are pirated...
but this, I AM GOING FOR ORIGINAL
but I believe as a player, we should honor whose company for the great game they created. IW was always good at it.

No matter what, the SP is already worth the money, plus if you got 2 computer, Co-op also will get your money back.

this is my opinion, as i know, this forum is full of forumer who shouting MP sucks before even try it out...( no offense)

I have my doubts, but i will save it after i played the game.

I will try to post my review on it tomorrow, as i getting the copy of the game tomorrow.

Peace~


Added on November 10, 2009, 10:24 pmjust want to ask, do the match maker let you choose malaysian player, or it just randomly let you play with other regions one?

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post Nov 10 2009, 10:36 PM

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^ Qirin, thats what people are bashing about now...

Auto matchmakes will randomly let u shoot brazilians...rofl.

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