Let them be la, they enjoying their time of their life
This is their year. Don't forget that.

I think you see too far ahead man, in 3-5 seasons time, it might be Mourinho that's will be managing the club instead, and god's knows who he will choose/buy/sell

if we care, that shows that even arch-rivals really care how under-achieving they are now. FACHT!1!1!

Now starting to worry if he is the right guy for our club. Fraid he only obsess with winning CL and will left after few seasons. Nevertheless I admire his "Me Against All Odds (Media)" attitude.

so damn true.. FACT!!

and some of them complain said we always talk bout them.. when they actually doing the same.. more actually

all other big 4 always consider united as their main rival.. i think its pretty clear more likely who is the jealous one

Nani hardly dribble and show fancy footwork. the common thing that nani did was lose possesion easily. his long range shot are far more better than Ronaldo's in his early years.

i though Rafa more boroi than SAF. Wenger the most slim manager.

Apparently, Barcelona is interested in signing Rooney.

which year isn't? =p

his time sure just went up now.. or maybe he need to listen more of F**k here and there now!!

Stumbled on this thread in United forum

We have an amazing midfield!


You guys wanna start talking about our midfielder here?

For me, I disagree with what this guy just said. I mean sure we have a one hell of a box to box midfielder, Fletch but we are still lacking a bit of the goal scoring threat when we are going forward.

- Anderson is improving, but I think he need to practice on his shooting ala Scholes
- Carrick is playing deep, doesn't do much and taking the rare shots once in a while, a great passer though when he's on form
- Obertan, still early but he's promising so far
- Nani... need more teamwork and understanding. Skills and fancy move alone don't bring you anywhere (read: early Ronaldo)
- Valencia, great player so far. Still improving and definitely will be a threat if he has the confident to take the goal himself instead of passing the ball around. Also, never use his left leg but whatever, boring type of dribbling but as long as it works, who cares
- Hargo, he was amazing before he's injured, hope he can be as good or better than he was...definitely looking forward for his return
- Park, another Fletch type of player and I really admire his work rate, not much of a goalscoring threat though.
- Giggsy / Scholesy, legend but they are way beyond their prime now. Great passer / team player but when it comes to goal scoring, not really a threat.
- and there's Tosic, Gibson, and other youngster that will step up some day

So far we are winning the game but Rooney / Berbatov needs to drop deep to helps and this in turn making our front empty. The opponent simply won't be scared since our scoring threat is dropping deep and with no threat from other midfielder or wingers, they simply won't hesitate to attack.

I see not much wrong with what he said. It's true it's hard to build form if you're in and out of the side. And it's not like he's criticising SAF. He just commented on how SAF deal with things. He can be very nice when everything is great, but he can also be ruthless if it's not going the way he wants it to, which we've already known.

There's still plenty of months to make it work in regards to Nani's chances. But if he doesn't take it, soon Obertan will. And then there's Ljajic in January.. this guy will be a serious goal threat.

it's a good midfield combination
but need to differ on the world class part

No Wan. I think it's wrong for him to do that (if he really said that), even he is just commenting on how SAF deal with things. I think what happened in the room, stays in the room. It is very unproffesional for him to say that. Ya, we all more or less know how SAF works, but why want to tell it to the media?

I really don't like the way Nani handled the question.

We do have an outstanding midfield(talking about the centre.. wings still in work in progress mode). Vs Chelsea. We dominated that area when everyone played down our chances against their diamond citing our lack of midfield talent to theirs. Yet it was the opposite in the game.

You know you don't need to be scoring to be considered great. Carrick-Scholes hardly scores in 06/07, yet they dominated the ball so much that it allows the others to play and do damage(scoring goals and whatnot). It's become a bit of a myth that our midfield is weak because they don't score goals. Look at Barca's midfield.. look at their stats. Hardly amazing.

Don't think Anderson will improve much on the shooting bit. He will get to around 5 or so, but not more. Just look at Carrick since his move here. He improved a little, but not more. That's just the way it is and we have to accept that. I've always maintained that for goals we must look at the wingers for the bulk of it from midfield. And I've always said that those goal scoring midfielders all play in advance positions(wingers, behind the striker or part of a 3 CM setup). It's like what Ronaldo did last two seasons.. no defensive responsibility, which our CMs must peform each game since we don't have anyone else to cover them like the others. Lampard play in that diamond, Gerrard plays behind Torres, Fabregas have two players next/behind him doing all the work.. go find a player that is scoring goal consistently playing in the centre of a 442, and then tell SAF about it. We play 442 most of the time which means our CMs are a bit restricted in that respect and we have no place for an AM.

We do have a very good midfield.
Fletcher-Carrick-Ando(any of those two in 442)
Giggs, Scholes, Hargreaves as back up.

It's the wings which is a bit problematic since we're waiting for Nani to grow up, but unfortunately it hasn't happen yet. Giggs have been very good playing there this season, and hopefully Obertan play like he does in his cameos most of the time.. that will help us greatly. Valencia have been steady progressing.. I like what I've seen from him so far.. and he look pretty good against Chelsea the other day. Hoping for a better performances in this area after new year.. with Valencia settling in, Obertan becoming another regular piece there and somehow Nani finding a functional brain.

He doesn't criticise SAF for it, nor does he shed any light or something controversial behind the scenes. He just said that SAF can be kind when it's good, but also can be hard on you if you're not doing your job properly, which is true. And he's not the first player to have said that.

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Added on November 13, 2009, 11:44 amHaving read the full quotes(only read bits of it before), I sympathise with him on not getting regular run in the side to build his form, but he's wrong if he expects to start the important games. If your not in form, you don't play.. simple as. It's a bit of a problem with the big squad we have nowadays. On one hand you have to think what's best for the team, but on the other hand we have the players form to think about.. which one would we sacrifice?

This post has been edited by Wan: Nov 13 2009, 11:44 AM

While I think we are good enough, don't you think we are still lacking in the sense of presence compared to Xavi-Iniesta of Barca, Fab of Arsenal, Lampard-Essien of Chelsea, Gerrard of Liverpool?
I mean, when you speak about those players, they have what it takes to possibly change the game, but so far I don't think we have one. Fletcher does seems to step it up though (when I thought he is good enough last season, it seems he still can improve) and I do hopes he can mix around with the top guns of other teams

He was asked whether his career is being handled badly, and he said he thinks so. And who handled his career? Isn't this undermine SAF credibility as a manager? He mentioned how SAF utter the F word in the room. He said SAF is a complicated man. There is no way a player should tell the media how complicated his manager is even if it is true. I couldn't care less if he leaves and tell that to the media. But he is still playing for us and for him to say that SAF is a complicated man moreover to the press, I think it is very unprofessional.

I know you can be defensive when defending a player (no offense, ya ), but to me, he is being unproffesional when he said those words to the press.
He might not criticise SAF, but what he said is not very wise.

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Nov 13 2009, 11:55 AM

I would go with the bigger team. While it might be harder to manage as in the players form, choosing who to start, etc but as the season goes, you will see a lot of injuries/fatigue that possibly cost us the title. Some team that suffer from this last season was Aston Villa, and maybe Arsenal. A few key players injured, and they are done for the rest of the season. I think that's one of the reason why our midfielder seems so "average" compare to teams like Chelsea when they always have the same players that play week in and out. Just look at Essien and Lampard , especially Essien, what a tough guy

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Anyone read this before? Lol France vs Ireland
http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/20...r-box-incident/

I wonder what will happen to Evra and OShea if they read this


This post has been edited by s[H]sIkuA: Nov 13 2009, 12:03 PM

its been only few month since ron(world best player and hv been very important for the last few season) leaving united. it will take some time for someone to step up and be the different maker.

remember ronaldo also not just turn great on his first or second season.
imagine cesc leaving arsenal, gerard leaving pool, xavi-iniesta leaving barca etc.. wont it be the same. and this players also just not turn to be great with each club. it will take time.

at the moment SAF still looking for his best lineup at midfield.. then bringing out the best of the each player for the line up. also best style and combination of play among them

What Nani said has probably been blown out of proportion by the media, kinda like the PIG and Vds supposed "feud." I don't think we necessarily need one player to step up big time to replace Ronaldo, we just need each and every one in the squad to improve by a lil bit each to ensure that we keep competing amongst the very best. Fletcher has gone from strength to strength every season, Rooney's still awesome plus he's got that added responsibility of getting us the goals, Berba has been our best player in October, Valencia is gelling with each and every game, Anderson has shown that he's done some work on his stamina etc. Manchester United's a team of eleven men, not a one man show as some rival supporters will have you believe.

Somehow I agree with you. It was quoted from then sun anyway. That's why I mentioned in my earlier post, if he really made that statement.