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 Sony Ericsson XPERIA™ X10, SE 1st Andriod Phone!!!

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post Nov 6 2009, 11:03 PM

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Wanted to go for the X10 but after seeing the specs, have to rethink:

1. I think 64K colors is OS limited ? (HTC Magic, Tattoo & Hero also run Android 1.5/1.6 and only have 64K colors).... so if it is later upgraded to Android 2.0, can it show 16M colors?

2. No front camera (no video-call support for Android OS?) -- but still ok, don't use video call anyway smile.gif

3. No FM radio

And at the moment, SE can't even get their specs straight yet (the official site states 16536 colors, the press release states 256K colors, the White Paper states 64K colors... now finally the Product Manager says 64K color)

The specs also don't show Digital Compass anywhere but today some1 from the SE developers forum said he tested and there is a working digital compass.

Well, wait a few more weeks for SE to sort out and release their complete specs, and also more details and explanations may surface.
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QUOTE(coldfission @ Nov 6 2009, 10:37 PM)
wow, so it's only 65k colour? wat a disappointment.. i expect better 1.. at least AMOLED la.. come on.. 2010 ald, TFT ald outdated, y not change to something more energy conserving? hmm tat article posted by xpresside is informative.. but as hsyong said, we are ald 4 years after the post.. so i dun think 16M will drag down the performance of the phone. dun forget that the current high end smart phone is faster than desktop way back few years ago.. i had a pentium 2 with 333Mhz, bundle with 96MB ram, 4 gb HDD. now we got 1Ghz processor, 256MB ram and more than 4GB storage for phone.. so, as i said, y dun sony juz gv us the latest technology? remember, X10 is designed to be a high end phone.. juz my 2 cents, please shoot if im wrong..
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well in fact, it is claimed that AMOLED has better power efficiency, better colour, brightness n response, and even lower cost(not sure tho, as it is new, maybe the cost is low, but the manufacturers sell it high?)
It's a waste to see phone manufacturers don't implement this technology in their high end phones.
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post Nov 6 2009, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(yan5619 @ Nov 6 2009, 11:04 PM)
well in fact, it is claimed that AMOLED has better power efficiency, better colour, brightness n response, and even lower cost(not sure tho, as it is new, maybe the cost is low, but the manufacturers sell it high?)
It's a waste to see phone manufacturers don't implement this technology in their high end phones.
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agreed with u.. samsung is the 1 who try to push their AMOLED technology to the market, meanwhile other manufacturer still stick with the old TFT. If u remember back to 2002-2004, TFT was tagged at very high price, my 17LCD cost me 1k.. then nowadays the technology become cheaper.. i believe that if they mass produce the AMOLED the cost will definitely decrease.. wat i wish for 2010 is most of the smart phones are bundled with at least 800Mhz to 1Ghz processor, 256MB or more ram, and AMOLED.. Im more concern on the multimedia aspect.. imaging and music is the aspect i look into when i wanna buy a phone.. so a low colour screen is definitely not my cup of tea.

I had compared my fren HTC touch pro with 65k colour with my 3250 (256K) and N79 (16M), the difference is very obvious. someone may claimed that im over react with the color thingy.. but that's the thing i most concern so far..
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post Nov 16 2009, 12:02 PM

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I have been a faithful SE user since the day of Ericsson starting with T39 until now my G900. I have to say, thru those years i also see the decline of SE.

I have no issue with their feature phone but their smartphone (my G900) is... mildly put it... could have been better.

I read the first impression so far have been "generous". Nothing outstanding. The problem with SE these days i figure is they have more or less gone from innovator to follower.

I was looking forward to X10 since SE announce they will embrace Android. The look i gotta say is probably the sexiest of all Android available but I have my reservation. SE have been lately short of their own promise.

I read that X10 will be out Feb in UK. Won't be long before it reach us. I hope the price is not too high. I don't mind "experimenting" with X10 but i don't want to part my hard earn $$$ like i did with my G900.

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well.. what i wish is... the built not ganna be like X1, the apps and the price too... had to flash the ROM to custom ROM just to enjoy the performance and interface =\

am using X1 right now, and the price is really drop like... hell!
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:54 PM

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Xperia X10's preview - simply gorgeous!
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post Nov 17 2009, 07:31 AM

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this video make u droll
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post Nov 17 2009, 08:47 AM

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hmm UK release on Feb 2010
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post Nov 17 2009, 09:04 AM

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The preview look so much better than the before. Interface look slicker. SE better do right with X10.

I have my reservation when i saw the video of X10 during the SE announcement but this preview look sexy. then again, what's the price??? HTC Magic with Celcom goes for RM1999 and that is with 12 mths RM148 (cheapest available).
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Nov 5 2009, 12:51 PM)
Only nerds will worry about wasted bits :-) As to claims of slowdown, they are due to unoptimized APIs and slow hardware, mostly an issues with older devices. My primary concern would be how it effects the battery, if the difference is not so much might as well have 16M color.

If you just present a picture, people are not going to be able to tell the difference, but if you are using graphics programs or something and it has a color selector of a row of the same color subtly shaded, some of the colors are going to look the same on a 64K screen.

The difference between 64K and 16M is slight, but not quite undetectable (at least I could notice the difference). http://www.easyrgb.com/index.php?X=RESO


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post Nov 17 2009, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Nov 17 2009, 09:04 AM)
The preview look so much better than the before.  Interface look slicker.  SE better do right with X10.

I have my reservation when i saw the video of X10 during the SE announcement but this preview look sexy.  then again, what's the price???  HTC Magic with Celcom goes for RM1999 and that is with 12 mths RM148 (cheapest available).
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this preview is definitely much better than the ones shown when it was just announced, i guess SE has been working hard on it rclxms.gif
but i still feel that it's a lil bit laggy with mediascape and timescape, and the zoom on web browser..
and do you notice that the screen is a bit unresponsive sometimes? the reviewer seems to touch twice or thrice to get something done, sometimes.
hopefully it'd get better when it's finally released, or maybe significant improvement can be seen if it get updated with Eclair 2.0.
The thing that i love most is, it has got flash(funny but yea, camera without flash is just disfunctional).

QUOTE(cic.lemur @ Nov 17 2009, 10:02 AM)
Only nerds will worry about wasted bits :-) As to claims of slowdown, they are due to unoptimized APIs and slow hardware, mostly an issues with older devices. My primary concern would be how it effects the battery, if the difference is not so much might as well have 16M color.

If you just present a picture, people are not going to be able to tell the difference, but if you are using graphics programs or something and it has a color selector of a  row of the same color subtly shaded, some of the colors are going to look the same on a 64K screen.

The difference between 64K and 16M is slight, but not quite undetectable (at least I could notice the difference). http://www.easyrgb.com/index.php?X=RESO
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Well one thing to mention is, the color is limited by the software (Android 1.5), not the hardware. SE Xperia X10 is capable of 16m colors biggrin.gif
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is it as big as the iphone?

can't decide between x2 and x10

but most prob will get x10 just for android biggrin.gif
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post Nov 18 2009, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(XP750 @ Nov 18 2009, 12:55 AM)
is it as big as the iphone?

can't decide between x2 and x10

but most prob will get x10 just for android biggrin.gif
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It's bigger than an iPhone, having a 4" screen, rather than iPhone's 3.5".

X10 definitely has higher specs than the X2, but price tag would be high too, i think.
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post Nov 18 2009, 08:26 PM

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HTC Dragon and a pure Google branded phone coming very soon?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/
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QUOTE(hsyong @ Nov 18 2009, 08:26 PM)
HTC Dragon and a pure Google branded phone coming very soon?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/17/thegoogle-phone/
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read tat the Dragon/passion is expected to be announced on mid-dec..
2010 is certainly an interesting year for the mobile market
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post Nov 19 2009, 12:50 AM

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Oh yea... 2010 will be very interesting for Android, Maemo.. even WinMo (but WinMo 7 device may only be available after mid-2010)

2010 will see HTC Dragon, Nokia N9XX (Maemo with capacitive screen??), Google Phone?? and X10 smile.gif

Btw, SE has officially announced that X10 will be updated to Android 2.0 (16Million color display.. the current screen is capable but Android 1.6 supports only 65K)

The only problem is I need one NOW.. and there is none that is good enough smile.gif

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post Nov 19 2009, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(hsyong @ Nov 19 2009, 12:50 AM)
Oh yea... 2010 will be very interesting for Android, Maemo.. even WinMo  (but WinMo 7 device may only be available after mid-2010)

2010 will see HTC Dragon, Nokia N9XX (Maemo with capacitive screen??), Google Phone?? and X10 smile.gif

Btw, SE has officially announced that X10 will be updated to Android 2.0 (16Million color display.. the current screen is capable but Android 1.6 supports only 65K)

The only problem is I need one NOW.. and there is none that is good enough smile.gif
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well Hero is not too bad, altho the spec seems to be low compared to upcoming ones, but it is smooth enough for usages needed.
and it came to my attention some time ago, that Hero has 288MB of ram, i think it is a good thing, isnt it? as even X10(and many other major android smart phones) only come with 256mb.

2010 will be a competitive market, but i afraid it'll turn out to be like the computer market, the device you buy now will be beaten by another killer device in coming months...which has never really happened in smartphones' market.

yup, hopefully the X10 will even be bundled with Android 2.0~
The current one is getting better and better with more and more hands on video too.
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now motorola droid already flooding US market and selling very2 well...
if they can make comparison with X10... its better...
at least i know which one I should go
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post Nov 20 2009, 09:36 AM

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I really hope SE will make X10 heck of a phone before releasing. iPhone have a lot of flaw but iPhone set the std so high. I really hope X10 will not be a case of the original Xperia. Hyped but eventually a letdown.

X10 need to redeem SE pride. Oh btw, the release date is not pushed back. Feb 2010 rumored date may not happen.
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hopefully not lagging... tis can compare iphone already

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