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JaggedEdge
post Feb 25 2016, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(klthor @ Oct 17 2013, 05:54 PM)
actually its very simple, they tax you base on how and where you earn your money. If you earn your money working in malaysia, doesnt matter who pays you, you are taxable. unless you work in sinagpore, bring the cash back into malaysia, then LHDN would not tax you. Eg you work in SG, but your employer bank into your tiger bank in malaysia, then they will not tax you since its not derived from malaysia. the word derived from malaysia is the key of this whole thing. for your case, its derived and received in malaysia. only income received in malaysia but derived outside malaysia is exempted from income tax.
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Thanks! I needed this info! But I got additional questions.
The situation is this: I work in software development from home. The company who hired me does not have a branch here and they pay me directly from their company based in London through Paypal. We communicate through the internet.

So based on your reasoning, I would still need to pay income tax because even though the physical location of the company I work with is in London, during my working hours I am still here in Malaysia. The keyword being "derived from Malaysia" means "when you were working you were physically here in Malaysia", correct?

My question is this, if my company was already deducting my pay for taxes in London, wouldn't that mean I am being double taxed? Or is there a clause somewhere that says if I'm being taxed in London I won't have to be taxed here?


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QUOTE(JaggedEdge @ Feb 25 2016, 05:00 PM)
Thanks! I needed this info! But I got additional questions.
The situation is this: I work in software development from home. The company who hired me does not have a branch here and they pay me directly from their company based in London through Paypal. We communicate through the internet.

So based on your reasoning, I would still need to pay income tax because even though the physical location of the company I work with is in London, during my working hours I am still here in Malaysia. The keyword being "derived from Malaysia" means "when you were working you were physically here in Malaysia", correct?

My question is this, if my company was already deducting my pay for taxes in London, wouldn't that mean I am being double taxed? Or is there a clause somewhere that says if I'm being taxed in London I won't have to be taxed here?
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Yes, correct, subjected to Malaysia tax.

I do not think your company deducted taxes behalf on you in London, as you have no file with the UK tax authority, how can they deduct tax there on your behalf?
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post Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 25 2016, 05:23 PM)
Yes, correct, subjected to Malaysia tax.

I do not think your company deducted taxes behalf on you in London, as you have no file with the UK tax authority, how can they deduct tax there on your behalf?
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I just asked because someone told me that if my income was taxed at its source (the company), I won't have to pay income tax for it again here.

My current arrangement with them is they pay me the full amount. Taxes wasn't included in that discussion. I was thinking if this was the case I would ask them to tax me there instead since I might be in a lower tax bracket.


Edit: Also, theoretically, if say I was somehow working and living and paying taxes overseas and then came back Malaysia and continued working with that company here, what happens then?

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post Feb 25 2016, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(JaggedEdge @ Feb 25 2016, 05:00 PM)
Thanks! I needed this info! But I got additional questions.
The situation is this: I work in software development from home. The company who hired me does not have a branch here and they pay me directly from their company based in London through Paypal. We communicate through the internet.

So based on your reasoning, I would still need to pay income tax because even though the physical location of the company I work with is in London, during my working hours I am still here in Malaysia. The keyword being "derived from Malaysia" means "when you were working you were physically here in Malaysia", correct?

My question is this, if my company was already deducting my pay for taxes in London, wouldn't that mean I am being double taxed? Or is there a clause somewhere that says if I'm being taxed in London I won't have to be taxed here?
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/...eaties-in-force

should be this one. if your tax paid in uk is higher than malaysia you dont have to pay, but if its lower then u have to topup. if my memory serve me right uk tax rate should be way more higher. just make sure you keep all the tax paid supporting

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post Feb 25 2016, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(Goneraz @ Oct 23 2009, 09:20 PM)
Hi i have a quick question. Say if i have a source of foreign income do i have to pay tax in Malaysia? DO you guys declare your income from foreign stocks?
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post Feb 25 2016, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 25 2016, 05:23 PM)
Yes, correct, subjected to Malaysia tax.

I do not think your company deducted taxes behalf on you in London, as you have no file with the UK tax authority, how can they deduct tax there on your behalf?
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witholding tax i suppose... but i doubt about that since he did not work there at all.
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QUOTE(JaggedEdge @ Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM)
I just asked because someone told me that if my income was taxed at its source (the company), I won't have to pay income tax for it again here.

My current arrangement with them is they pay me the full amount. Taxes wasn't included in that discussion. I was thinking if this was the case I would ask them to tax me there instead since I might be in a lower tax bracket.
Edit: Also, theoretically, if say I was somehow working and living and paying taxes overseas and then came back Malaysia and continued working with that company here, what happens then?
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Developed countries generally have higher tax one. Malaysia's tax is relatively lower as compared.
Why you want to tax at foreign countries tax rate is beyond my understanding.

Once you move back and become tax resident of Malaysia, then subjected to Malaysia taxation ruling already.
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post Feb 26 2016, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 25 2016, 11:19 PM)
Developed countries generally have higher tax one. Malaysia's tax is relatively lower as compared.
Why you want to tax at foreign countries tax rate is beyond my understanding.

Once you move back and become tax resident of Malaysia, then subjected to Malaysia taxation ruling already.
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You're right. I just checked and the tax rate there is 20% for 0 to 30k a year. There goes that idea tongue.gif
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investement in HK stock market, foreign income free from tax?

work as broker @ malaysia, commission received from activity, need declare tax? only bank statement every month, no details
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QUOTE(Sunny zombie @ Feb 27 2016, 10:55 AM)
investement in HK stock market, foreign income free from tax?

work as broker @ malaysia, commission received from activity, need declare tax? only bank statement every month, no details
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Those investment gain abroad is tax exempted when repatriated back to Malaysia, as it is deemed foreign capital gain income, which is already subjected to respectively countries regulation on capital gain or witholding tax (if).

Broker's commission is subjected to income tax, which needs to be declared.
Bank's statement ( of the commission being banked in) can be the supporting document for those income.

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If a freelancer work in Malaysia through an international freelancer site, does the income taxable?
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Oct 25 2009, 12:58 AM)
So if I earn several thousand ringgit a month from Google Adsense + USA affiliate marketing activities, I don't have to declare to LHDN?  hmm.gif
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it's taxable.. please read http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/GUIDELIN...IC_COMMERCE.pdf
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QUOTE(filage @ Mar 1 2016, 03:12 PM)
If a freelancer work in Malaysia through an international freelancer site, does the income taxable?
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Yes, it is based on the statement in bold above.
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QUOTE(filage @ Mar 1 2016, 03:12 PM)
If a freelancer work in Malaysia through an international freelancer site, does the income taxable?
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make it simple, as long as you work in malaysia = taxable. doesnt care who pays u and where they are based, you are 'exporting' your service from malaysia.
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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 1 2016, 04:53 PM)
make it simple, as long as you work in malaysia = taxable.  doesnt care who pays u and where they are based, you are 'exporting' your service from malaysia.
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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 1 2016, 04:53 PM)
make it simple, as long as you work in malaysia = taxable.  doesnt care who pays u and where they are based, you are 'exporting' your service from malaysia.
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post Mar 31 2016, 07:45 PM

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Sorry to bring this topic up again, but I have question.

I was now based in Malaysia and work from home (for my own sole-proprietorship company in Singapore) as all my business my delivered online via email.
I set-up a virtual office by only renting a legal office address for client to make send me payment.

Payment from client was directly into my Singapore bank account.
I went Inland Revenue to ask, but the officer said I do not have to pay for Singapore tax, as long as the work wasnt being "produce" in Singapore.
It doesnt matter why i was paid in Sing.

But then I heard foreign-earned income is exempted in Malaysia.
So how ah...? I dont have to pay tax? can someone guide me? hmm.gif ohmy.gif

Got such big toad anyhow hopping on the street anot..? devil.gif

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post Mar 31 2016, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(shingyong84 @ Mar 31 2016, 07:45 PM)
Sorry to bring this topic up again, but I have question.

I was now based in Malaysia and work from home (for my own sole-proprietorship company in Singapore) as all my business my delivered online via email.
I set-up a virtual office by only renting a legal office address for client to make send me payment.

Payment from client was directly into my Singapore bank account.
I went Inland Revenue to ask, but the officer said I do not have to pay for Singapore tax, as long as the work wasnt being "produce" in Singapore.
It doesnt matter why i was paid in Sing.

But then I heard foreign-earned income is exempted in Malaysia.
So how ah...? I dont have to pay tax? can someone guide me? hmm.gif  ohmy.gif

Got such big toad anyhow hopping on the street anot..?  devil.gif
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You based in MY, you do work from MY.. doesnt matter if your money go to SG.

You are liable for MY tax NOT SG tax.

MY foreign income exempted only if you are NOT working in MY or foreign investment income.

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post Mar 31 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(shingyong84 @ Mar 31 2016, 07:45 PM)
Sorry to bring this topic up again, but I have question.

I was now based in Malaysia and work from home (for my own sole-proprietorship company in Singapore) as all my business my delivered online via email.
I set-up a virtual office by only renting a legal office address for client to make send me payment.

Payment from client was directly into my Singapore bank account.
I went Inland Revenue to ask, but the officer said I do not have to pay for Singapore tax, as long as the work wasnt being "produce" in Singapore.
It doesnt matter why i was paid in Sing.

But then I heard foreign-earned income is exempted in Malaysia (i was paid in Singapore)
So how ah...? I dont have to pay tax? can someone guide me? hmm.gif  ohmy.gif

Got such big toad anyhow hopping on the street anot..?  devil.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 07:48 PM)
You based in MY, you do work from MY.. doesnt matter if your money go to SG.

You are liable for MY tax NOT SG tax.

MY foreign income exempted only if you are NOT working in MY or foreign investment income.
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Thanks for the quick respond smile.gif

Sorry to ask a silly quest.. how to define "NOT WORKING" in MY eh..?

Yes, I was based in MY more than 185days a year.
NOT WORKING.. hmm.. yeah, most of the time not in working condition.
Not tagging with any agencies. No working record in Malaysia..

My role is basically a middle-man/ art buyer.
To buy Malaysian Art behalf of my company in SG and sell to overseas clients..

So it was actually some other artists WORK, send me soft copy, and i export via email.

This post has been edited by shingyong84: Mar 31 2016, 08:43 PM

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