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Rasared
post Apr 14 2017, 11:06 AM

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Hi guys. I am new, hope fellow members can help me out.

I have a question on an employee who receives free stocks of the parent company in the US. If these stocks were sold in the US, and the proceeds is TT back to Malaysia, does this qualify as "foreign source income" under IRB laws? It is actually a benefit of employment, aka perquisite. Please correct me if I am not wrong.

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post Apr 14 2017, 11:11 AM

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Oops! Please correct me if I am wrong. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Rasared @ Apr 14 2017, 11:06 AM)
Hi guys. I am new, hope fellow members can help me out.

I have a question on an employee who receives free stocks of the parent company in the US. If these stocks were sold in the US, and the proceeds is TT back to Malaysia, does this qualify as "foreign source income" under IRB laws? It is actually a benefit of employment, aka perquisite. Please correct me if I am not wrong.

Thank you.
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It doesn't matter the goods is sold at where, the one matter is the place you work.

It doesn't qualify as foreign income, unless you are working at US, then different story.
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post Apr 14 2017, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 14 2017, 02:56 PM)
It doesn't matter the goods is sold at where, the one matter is the place you work.

It doesn't qualify as foreign income, unless you are working at US, then different story.
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Sorry, my mistake. Let me clarify. The employee is working here in Malaysia for a subsidiary company of a US company. He receives free shares of the parent company in the US. If he sold these shares in the US and bring the money back to Malaysia (TT). Is this money considered foreign source income or not? It is not from a business activity.
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post Apr 14 2017, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rasared @ Apr 14 2017, 04:40 PM)
Sorry, my mistake. Let me clarify. The employee is working here in Malaysia for a subsidiary company of a US company. He receives free shares of the parent company in the US. If he sold these shares in the US and bring the money back to Malaysia (TT). Is this money considered foreign source income or not? It is not from a business activity.
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You have already answered the question on your own statement... smile.gif

Working here -> derived income in Malaysia -> subjected to Malaysia taxation.

Working in a US company /= working abroad.
Receive money from US /= derived income at US.

So exemption on foreign income is not applied for the above example.

The free shares situation should be similar to ESOS given to employee.
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post Apr 14 2017, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 14 2017, 05:18 PM)
You have already answered the question on your own statement...  smile.gif

Working here -> derived income in Malaysia -> subjected to Malaysia taxation.

Working in a US company /= working abroad.
Receive money from US /= derived income at US.

So exemption on foreign income is not applied for the above example.

The free shares situation should be similar to ESOS given to employee.
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OK, understand now. Thank you very much.
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post Apr 15 2017, 11:50 AM

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Hi Guys,

Need your advice on my situation,

1) Working in Macau with Macau company.
2) Received income in Macau currency and bank into Macau bank account.
3) Bring back to Malaysia via TT or cash(sometimes)

Is my income above taxable by Msia IRB?

Thanks!
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post Apr 15 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Touch39 @ Apr 15 2017, 11:50 AM)
Hi Guys,

Need your advice on my situation,

1) Working in Macau with Macau company.
2) Received income in Macau currency and bank into Macau bank account.
3) Bring back to Malaysia via TT or cash(sometimes)

Is my income above taxable by Msia IRB?

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Not taxable.
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post Apr 28 2017, 12:29 AM

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Is forex trading considered capital gain and hence not taxable? hmm.gif notworthy.gif
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:11 AM

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I have a different situation.

I am an investor in a health screening product by a Malaysian company. The health screening products are brought to China. Obviously for every test conducted by this health screening product there, there is a payment received. As an investor, I received a percentage of this payment so we call this a test income.

Since this test income is from a health screening product conducted in China, this means that the source of the income is overseas. As I understand, with effect from the year of assessment 2004, income received in Malaysia by an individual for a year of assessment that is derived from sources outside Malaysia is exempted from tax.

This means that when the Malaysian company pays me the test income to my Malaysian bank account, I should not need to pay any tax on it. I am prepared to open a bank account in
Singapore so that I can receive the test income there if it helps.

Anyone has any opinion on this?

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QUOTE(kenviro @ Aug 8 2017, 11:11 AM)
I have a different situation.

I am an investor in a health screening product by a Malaysian company. The health screening products are brought to China. Obviously for every test conducted by this health screening product there, there is a payment received. As an investor, I received a percentage of this payment so we call this a test income.

Since this test income is from a health screening product conducted in China, this means that the source of the income is overseas. As I understand, with effect from the year of assessment 2004, income received in Malaysia by an individual for a year of assessment that is derived from sources outside Malaysia is exempted from tax.

This means that when the Malaysian company pays me the test income to my Malaysian bank account, I should not need to pay any tax on it. I am prepared to open a bank account in
Singapore so that I can receive the test income there if it helps.

Anyone has any opinion on this?
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The income is considered as derived in Malaysia based on the bolded info provided, hence it is taxable.

It is not a foreign income based on the above info.
Foreign income = you work at foreign countries and generate income at foreign country and subjected to the foreign country tax there.

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post Aug 29 2017, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 15 2017, 03:48 PM)
Not taxable.
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Are there any citation from any Section on Acts etc that you can share with me?

I am facing the similar situation and am considering the implication for bringing a lump sum of foreign money back to Malaysia from HK
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post Aug 29 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(JOEYK86 @ Aug 29 2017, 12:42 PM)
Are there any citation from any Section on Acts etc that you can share with me?

I am facing the similar situation and am considering the implication for bringing a lump sum of foreign money back to Malaysia from HK
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As long as you paid income tax at the country of origin, not a resident of Malaysia during the time and able to show proof, it will not be taxable in MY..

However, bringing in large sum of money or purchasing any asset will always subject to IRB flag and they may send you a query if it is big enough.

This post has been edited by gark: Aug 29 2017, 01:47 PM
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post Aug 29 2017, 05:36 PM

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One question, I am new here, hope some members can help me out.

I have a question, if I am a shareholder of a foreign company and they pay me dividend in a cryptocurrency/bitcoin.

1) If these bitcoin were sold in the that foreign country and get taxed there and i channel it from foreign exchanges/bank to my bank account here in Malaysia, will I need to pay another income or declare it?

2) and what if I sell the bitcoin in Malaysia and directly into malaysian account, ?
'And when Im selling bitcoins in Malaysia, for example on Luno or XBit Asia, basically im selling a digital asset within Malaysia, to someone inside Malaysia, and getting the payment in Malaysian Ringgit, and then withdrawing from the exchange's Malaysian bank account to my own Malaysian bank account.' This one is for sure need to pay income tax right eventhough i get it as a dividend?


does any of this situation qualify as "foreign source income" under IRB laws?

And which one is the best way to bring back the money?



Thank you.

This post has been edited by shahrul09: Aug 29 2017, 06:48 PM
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post Aug 31 2017, 04:29 AM

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QUOTE(Forum-Modding Newb @ Apr 6 2016, 12:56 AM)
This thread is really helpful!

I'm in a rather different situation. I'm a Malaysian but not in Malaysia, and by the tax definition I'm a "non-resident". I work in a foreign country and they pay me for my services, but I am curious to know this (in all cases, I work overseas)

Assumption A: I sign an individual work contract in this country with my employer, as an individual
1. If they pay me in this country, I pay personal tax here (which is more than 30%). That's obvious.

Assumption B: I sign a service contract between my sole proprietor company & my employer
2. I have a sole proprietor company registered in Malaysia. What happens tax-wise if my sole-prop company bills my foreign employer (in lieu of salary), invoice from Malaysia for services rendered outside of Malaysia? What tax do I pay?

Assumption C: I sign an individual work contract in Malaysia with my foreign employer, as an individual
3. Next scenario, what if my employer pays me as an individual for services rendered outside Malaysia, but the payment method is TT to a Malaysian bank account?

I understand that sole proprietorship means that I'm taxed as an individual. But I'm unable to find information what happens if I'm a non-resident, no one seems to know which category I'm in. Do help!
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I am currently in the same situation as her, except that in 24 days I will be a tax resident in Malaysia. If that's the case, what do I do with the income derived from a service exported to Italy and performed in Italy. ?

What if I am neither a tax resident of both Malaysia and Italy ? Will I be able to pick just one to pay tax to e.g Malaysia and claim that it's a foreign income and get exemption ? Does it work this way ?

Thanks for your input !
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Aug 29 2017, 05:36 PM)
One question, I am new here, hope some members can help me out.

I have a question, if I am a shareholder of a foreign company and they pay me dividend in a cryptocurrency/bitcoin.

1) If these bitcoin were sold in the that foreign country and get taxed there and i channel it from foreign exchanges/bank to my bank account here in Malaysia, will I need to pay another income or declare it?

2) and  what if I sell the bitcoin in Malaysia and directly into malaysian account, ?
'And when Im selling bitcoins in Malaysia, for example on Luno or XBit Asia, basically im selling a digital asset within Malaysia, to someone inside Malaysia, and getting the payment in Malaysian Ringgit, and then withdrawing from the exchange's Malaysian bank account to my own Malaysian bank account.' This one is for sure need to pay income tax right eventhough i get it as a dividend?
does any of this situation  qualify as "foreign source income" under IRB laws?

And which one is the best way to bring back the money?
Thank you.
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1) Generally no, as long as taxes has been paid in foreign countries, but ensure the country has double taxation treaty agreement with Malaysia.

2) It doesn't qualify as "foreign income" which is tax exempted.
As the income is derived in Malaysia when you are selling the bitcoin in Malaysia and reside in Malaysia.

Foreign source income = income derived in foreign countries.

From my personal pov, 1) is preferred as it is more clear cut.

QUOTE(h0lycha0s @ Aug 31 2017, 04:29 AM)
I am currently in the same situation as her, except that in 24 days I will be a tax resident in Malaysia. If that's the case, what do I do with the income derived from a service exported to Italy and performed in Italy. ?

What if I am neither a tax resident of both Malaysia and Italy ? Will I be able to pick just one to pay tax to e.g Malaysia and claim that it's a foreign income and get exemption ? Does it work this way ?

Thanks for your input !
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You don't care whether the service is exported or not.
It is always depends where the income is derived.
You make a deal in Malaysia and delivered goods/services to overseas customer, it is still deemed income derived in Malaysia.
If not, all export company don't need to pay tax already. So the word "export" is irrelevant.

Non-tax resident still needs to pay tax one, as long as income is derived in Malaysia.
While for Italy, then you need to look on their specific ruling on non-tax resident, whether it will be charged as witholding tax or whatever.
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You are non-resident under Malaysian tax law if you stay less than 182 days in Malaysia in a year, regardless of your citizenship or nationality.

Non-resident individual is taxed at a different tax rate on income earned/received from Malaysia.



http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...sequ=1&bt_lgv=2

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post Aug 31 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 31 2017, 11:47 AM)
You don't care whether the service is exported or not.
It is always depends where the income is derived.
You make a deal in Malaysia and delivered goods/services to overseas customer, it is still deemed income derived in Malaysia.
If not, all export company don't need to pay tax already. So the word "export" is irrelevant.

Non-tax resident still needs to pay tax one, as long as income is derived in Malaysia.
While for Italy, then you need to look on their specific ruling on non-tax resident, whether it will be charged as witholding tax or whatever.
http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...sequ=1&bt_lgv=2
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Cherroy, thanks for the reply !Ah, you must be pretty frustrated with the recurring questions now bangwall.gif

Hear me out, income is not derived in Malaysia, which is why I wrote 'exported and performed' in Italy. I will stay until I am a tax resident here, but performing such service exported to Italy in Italy.


Looked at the Double Taxation Avoidance Agreement between ITA-MY, it only has paragraphs when I am both a resident or one of the resident of either countries.

It's my fault for not asking the question properly, I meant what if I am a non-resident for both countries or any countries, with foreign derived income, can I choose which country to file my tax under DTA ?
Perhaps I should look at the ruling on non-tax resident with the withholding tax thing.

Appreciate it Cherroy rclxms.gif

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Hi,

Need advise on the following, I’m a Malaysian residing in Malaysia and currently employed by a foreign company registered in Dubai, appreciate advise for the following;
1) my job requires me to travel overseas so I get a travel day and work day allowances and normally it’s a 3 day job, I’ll send them invoices for service rendered either at job completion or monthly. Am I liable to pay tax....
2) the job requires that I may need to check/correct/submit the report part in Malaysia so does this meet as job overseas....

Appreciate any advise on this matter...
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QUOTE(iqbal1975 @ Nov 6 2017, 05:39 AM)
Hi,

Need advise on the following, I’m a Malaysian residing in Malaysia and currently employed by a foreign company registered in Dubai, appreciate advise for the following;
1) my job requires me to travel overseas so I get a travel day and work day allowances and normally it’s a 3 day job, I’ll send them invoices for service rendered either at job completion or monthly. Am I liable to pay tax....
2) the job requires that I may need to check/correct/submit the report part in Malaysia so does this meet as job overseas....

Appreciate any advise on this matter...
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do you pay tax in dubai? or dubai is a tax free country ? and from there, why you do not need to pay tax in dubai? slowly using logic, you might get your answer.
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QUOTE(klthor @ Oct 17 2013, 05:54 PM)
actually its very simple, they tax you base on how and where you earn your money. If you earn your money working in malaysia, doesnt matter who pays you, you are taxable. unless you work in sinagpore, bring the cash back into malaysia, then LHDN would not tax you. Eg you work in SG, but your employer bank into your tiger bank in malaysia, then they will not tax you since its not derived from malaysia. the word derived from malaysia is the key of this whole thing. for your case, its derived and received in malaysia. only income received in malaysia but derived outside malaysia is exempted from income tax.
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May I add that there's some minor correction to be made to your statement. The statement "Only income received in Malaysia but derived outside Malaysia is tax-exempt" is not necessarily true in all cases. If the employer is a Malaysian company and sends the Malaysian employee to a Korean company (secondment) for work purposes eg: 2 years, and the employer completely remunerates the employee, he would be subject to Malaysian tax. In this case, although income received in Malaysia but derived outside Malaysia, still, it is taxable. Hence, your statement is not quite right.

Alternatively, if the Malaysian employer sends the employee to Korea to work closely with a Korean company, and the secondment agreement is such that the employee shall be remunerated by the Korean company for the 2 years, then the scenario is that the work done overseas is for the Korean company. This will constitute income received in Malaysia but derived outside Malaysia.

In a nutshell, two conditions to fulfill the criteria: 1) Employee shall not perform work in Malaysia & 2) The Employer shall not be Malaysian employer (if the employer is any foreign companies based in Malaysia, this automatically means Malaysian company)



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