dude did u even read wut i wrote in the first place?

i'm talking about being in a guild, not a pug (or a fail pug since u get saved without reaching the boss u need)...
the whole context of not making it a grind in wow = being in a guild that raid the content (thus content on farm after a period)...
why are we even bringing up pugs or even rolls for a guild using effective looting system (unless u wanna be in a guild with rolls and drama)...

over a certain period, the randomness dies down (unless some1 manage to implement a 'pure' RNG algo to be used by blizzard) as u can read from all the links i gave u...
applying such concept while raiding in a guild (good one) would eliminate these 'randomness' and every1 gets the loot they want after a certain period...

seriously /facepalm

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 6 2009, 11:24 AM

more like, did you read what THE REST of us wrote in the first place?

we were talking about how loot is random and it doesnt matter if you're in a guild, having a uber flawless perfect loot distribution system. and yet you decided to be a smart ass and point out something that is incorrect in the first place

why even mentioned about fail pug when ive specifically mentioned 'kill KT 25 this week', which meant (hello?) DOWNING KT and right clicking his sorry ass for epix. the point of even mentioning of rolls is simple, to knock the simple sense of randomness in your head, since you just couldnt comprehend it.

and why even mentioned farming content when in the first place the very essence of it denies your argument of saying loot is not random (which means guaranteed) you wanna start explaining why guild a can get a legendary item on the 1st/2nd kill, while guild b farms it for months and never ever gets it?

if you can never guarantee a specific loot, it is random, no matter how geniusly you're trying to argue it out.

just give up evo. no used explaining to him. WHY?























BECOZ HE CAN tm

so you're saying loot is guaranteed now?

did i?

you've said because i can, which is a piss poor way in displaying your sarcasm, of saying what im saying is false. if what i've been saying is false, that would mean loot is not random.

haha..that made my day already.

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Added on October 6, 2009, 12:41 pmhaha..that made my day already.

This post has been edited by Perunding: Oct 6 2009, 12:41 PM

loot is guaranteed over a long run being in a guild (not pug) thus not being a 'grind' or QQ i dun get the loot...
seriously u never read the theories i've posted on how things are in a long run?
pseudoRNG repeats itself after a certain period thus breaking the definition of 'randomness' lean towards 'predictability'...
this would only be false if blizzard have a trueRNG algo which does not exist in the current age of computing...

being in a single pug (ur KT-25) where only 2-3 drops over a possible of 10+ dun guarantee u the loot...
but farming the same boss with the same group (a guild) would cross the loot vector (again see the theory i've posted)...
1-3 of the same loot over 10runs...
a good guild raid compo would have 1-3 of those needed the loot as well thus every1 is happy towards the end

u got ur own guild...
u should be aware on how being in a guild makes looting a difference over a pug...
how looting for a guild is consistent over a long run where every1 get gear up for harder content whereas a pug which ppl in/out and every1 wants loot...

both me, perunding and several others are in raiding guilds...
u dun see us with loot problems lol...

i guess knowing how probability, randomness and predictability actually works makes me
dun QQ over randomness when being consistent beats psuedoRNG...
if not, ppl wont bother posting drop % when it is random...
pure/true randomness dun work the way...

i guess he can™ change psuedoRNG into trueRNG...

keyword: over a long run, period

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 6 2009, 02:14 PM

My guild was farming KelThuzad for quite a while. Like months at that time? My dkp was like 1000 more than the rest because I was saving it for The Turning Tide. Never seen it drop.

Got firesoul from Leviathan 10man on the 2nd week of Ulduar's release and, although it isn't as good, but good enough for me to not meet KelThuzad ever again lol.

months as in how long?
if u follow the gambler's ruin, every week would have an equal chance of dropping the loot and not getting it this week would not mean u getting it next week at a higher probability...

dont know bout you, but my biggest pain of RNG was binding from molten core. i wished it never ever drop even for a single binding. so i wouldnt ever have hoped to get thunderfury >.>

said binding is still in my bank... never had the courage to delete it... LOL