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 Stock Market V40, Do you believe in October Myth?

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David_Brent
post Sep 23 2009, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 23 2009, 05:46 PM)
the part highlighted in bold, i believe the company should have made provisions for it in the first place.

Also note, Oilcorp did write to the trustees on the 15th (interest was payable on the 17th), 2 days prior to the payment date asking for grace period... Hence there was deliberate intention to default on interest by oilcorp.

It is also further noted, the Bank (and its associates/cohorts) did not exercise its rights i.e. to trigger an event of default which would entail the payment of interest + principal sum. (event of default = is a discretionary instrument/remedy of the Lender).

My assumption would be grace period has been extended to Oilcorp. (i.e. providing proof of Large Receivables due to Oilcorp in exchange for grace)

Question:
Why 2 days notice to the Lenders?

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In any case, defaulting is bad (impact of credit rating - in this case i doubt OilCorp has an investment grade rating, more likely than not they have to give collateral up to their eyeballs), nonetheless whether investors like it or not "default" is a common occurence. Some are announced to the world at large in this case Oilcorp and others... perhaps we will never hear of (this part i say with some experience).

OilCorp lenders played it by the book to protect their interest, my assumption is OilCorp didnt exactly have an impressive track record that is why they did what all Lenders whom have followed the book should have done especially for a PLc.

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Finally, its all assumptions, let see how it plays out.
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Anyway - they are in PN17 now.
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_c...ments/index.jsp
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post Sep 23 2009, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 23 2009, 07:24 PM)
then how about you? i think it is not worth holding anymore.
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I will keep it. It's a rounding error in the scheme of things..... hmm.gif


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post Sep 23 2009, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(coffeelover1975 @ Sep 23 2009, 09:26 PM)
it will not be viable if cut-loss on Oilcorp by now.
There's still hope of getting out of the rut if one holds it.
An example was Antah, which was classified PN17 few years back but was later transformed into this day's Huaan.
That time, shareholders were also in a worrisome state.
If Oilcorp has some prominent figures inside, it would not simply be delisted.
Just an opinion.
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Very helpful input. Many thanks.
I suppose the thing that surprises me most is that this company has a very long history of incompetent, self-serving management. it's quite clear that the CEO is a not person who can be relied upon to exercise proper stewardship of a public company. He should be flipping burgers at MacD's...

How do these people get away with it for so long?

In almost any other markets I know of, 'Sunny' and the directors would have been booted out by the NEID's or shareholders a long time ago..... hmm.gif

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post Sep 23 2009, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:02 PM)
so this is how sunny ng huat tian looks like

http://www.oilcorp.com.my/html/corporate/m...nt_chairman.htm
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Very old pic, that.
He looks like **** now..... laugh.gif
Poor guy only got out with peanuts anyway judging from the directors' dealings info on BM website tongue.gif

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post Sep 24 2009, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Sep 23 2009, 11:27 PM)
gonna compile a personal spreadsheet on the entire KLCI just for research.. maybe might spot a gem after i filter out the rubbish hehe laugh.gif
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KLCI Rubbish Filter... hmm.gif
You could patent that! laugh.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 10:10 AM

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On this PN17 thingy: does anyone know how it works?
Is it the company that declares itself in PN17 (like Chapter 11 in the States) or is it Bursa Malaysia that forces/declares the company in PN17?
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post Sep 24 2009, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:20 AM)
NEW UPdate - looks like bad news.

Interest default has changed to default on loan - this means the Lenders have deployed their weapons of massive destruction, all other creditors will start knocking on OilCorps door very soon.

Oilcorp slumps 23pc, extends slide

OILCORP Bhd, an oil and gas engineering services provider, slumped 23 per cent to 20.5 sen, extending yesterday’s 16 per cent slide.
Looks like a fire-sale then.... hmm.gif
Actually, bits of the wreckage may be of interest to other players - at knock-down prices.... brows.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 10:36 AM

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Today may be the day to harvest some Rambutan... drool.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 24 2009, 10:36 AM)
If not mistaken, company doesn't have core business is not in PN17 category, generally, PN17 is for financial difficulty situation one.

While doesn't have core business is not falling into financial difficult, it is like something GNxx.
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Interesting...do you happen to know what generally happens to PN17 companies? I mean - do some of them recover or is it effectively just a prelude to being de-listed?
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post Sep 24 2009, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(htt @ Sep 24 2009, 11:17 AM)
How about 5?
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Just wondering whether I should average down.... hmm.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 24 2009, 04:00 PM)
immediate PROFIT$$$ i'd say  icon_idea.gif
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Didn't work when he punted TAS... hmm.gif
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post Sep 24 2009, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Sep 24 2009, 07:57 PM)
On August 26, I put up my own estimate Maxis @ 5RM. icon_idea.gif
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LOVE the new AVATAR!!
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post Sep 25 2009, 01:52 PM

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Thinking to buy HAIO this afternoon...nice divvy should be coming next month... hmm.gif
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post Sep 25 2009, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(espree @ Sep 25 2009, 02:12 PM)
early next month.  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Yeah... drool.gif
Queueing ay 5.37 but don't think it will match...should I go higher... hmm.gif
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post Sep 25 2009, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 25 2009, 02:20 PM)
Confirm early next month? What is the expected amount?
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No Announcement Date FYE Date Ex Date Pay Date Par Value(RM) Normal Dividend (RM) Special Dividend (RM)
1 26022009 30042009 12032009 26032009 1.000 0.1000 -
2 03102008 30042008 27112008 10122008 1.000 0.3200 -
3 19022008 30042008 12032008 28032008 1.000 0.0800 -
4 04102007 30042007 29112007 12122007 1.000 0.1300 -
5 16012007 30042007 23022007 13032007 1.000 0.0500 -


Added on September 25, 2009, 2:39 pm
QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 25 2009, 02:35 PM)
Guys Look at what Bursa Asked and What OilCorp replied, absolute rubbish... Oilcorp is just stone walling the regulators.

It's as good as not replying to Bursa.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Like I said earlier:
Warren Buffett Rule Number 3:
NEVER invest in a company run by a man who calls himself "Sunny". laugh.gif

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post Sep 25 2009, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(protonw @ Sep 25 2009, 02:50 PM)
Aiyo, dividend already priced into the current price liao...It is at its year high now.. icon_question.gif
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HAIO also an Indonesian 'play' brows.gif
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post Sep 25 2009, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 25 2009, 04:24 PM)
sleepy.......

KLCI forming 2 fingers now.... or is it 2 horns... Red Bull~~~
One more push and the monkeys will get it to close green...
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 25 2009, 02:35 PM)
Guys Look at what Bursa Asked and What OilCorp replied, absolute rubbish... Oilcorp is just stone walling the regulators.

It's as good as not replying to Bursa.

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Do you think Sunny will appoint his brother as the 'Principal Adviser'? laugh.gif
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post Sep 25 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kikyo @ Sep 25 2009, 04:38 PM)
YES! TGIF even though not a very good friday  tongue.gif
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TGIF indeed. Terrible week for me... mega_shok.gif
Bought Haio today though rclxm9.gif
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post Sep 25 2009, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 25 2009, 04:48 PM)
Not suprised, they r running the company like a get rich quick scheme...

last man out's the su-cker = most likely a million other s/hers.. while they major s/hders bailed out months before this shite happened
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Wonder if they're still talking to him down at the golf club..... hmm.gif


Added on September 25, 2009, 4:59 pm
QUOTE(Kikyo @ Sep 25 2009, 04:56 PM)
HAIO = good bet?
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Hope so. Seems like well-managed company with good divvy track record.... hmm.gif
But nowadays......who knows.... sweat.gif

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