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post Sep 13 2009, 08:56 PM, updated 17y ago

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I have to admit I have never experienced lossless audio before and reading about all your boom boom pow biling balang reports here really is poisoning. So much so that I bought a HD Audio capable receiver although I was more than happy with my old one that can only do DD/DTS. (I have to admit there was a firesale then biggrin.gif)

Then yesterday, I had the opportunity to experience DTS-HD MA in SenQ as they were playing Fast and Furious 2 in one of their Jamo demo rooms. I have to say if memory serves me right, I cannot hear any difference at all comparing to my copy of DVD. I was let down on the spot, but thought maybe it was the speakers.

Then I came back home and did some research on HD audio, and this article was very eye-opening (eardrum busting in this case):

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueH...ncompressed_PCM

Some of the excerpts from the article:

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To get the latest scoop on these new codecs, Editor-in-Chief Geoffrey Morrison and I made arrangements to visit both companies’ respective headquarters, where we would be able to hear definitive A/B comparisons that would be otherwise impossible to properly set up in our own facilities.
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The shocker came when we compared the lower 448 kbps Dolby Digital DVD bitrate to the original. There was an audible difference, but it was only ever-so-slightly noticeable (and this is with a high end audio system in an acoustically controlled environment that is so far beyond what typical home theater systems are capable of resolving). There was just the slightest decrease in presence with the DD version, not exactly a softening of the sound, but just a tad less ambience and a similarly small tightening of the front soundstage’s depth. Quite a remarkable result, I thought, and I was highly impressed with how much fidelity can be packed into such a relatively small amount of bitspace. If I was doing actual scoring, I would have awarded a 4.8 grade to the results I heard – the audible difference was that subtle.
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It was déjà vu all over again. We switched back and forth between the original PCM master and the core DTS version, and here we found only the slightest, barely noticeable difference. From a frequency response standpoint, both versions were identical, with clearly delineated high frequency details, but the compressed version differed slightly only in barely noticeable presence —that sense of being “there”, with the original PCM track having just slightly greater overall richness. Whatever acoustic elements were removed in the code/decode process were clearly superfluous, at least for the most part, as the audible differences were so minor as to be almost unnoticeable—again, another testament to the capabilities of this highly refined codec.
and the finishing blow...

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What impressed, or perhaps surprised, me most about these tests was how good the base codecs actually are. The difference between the original audio and the basic Dolby Digital and DTS is a lot subtler than you’d expect, given the extreme amount of compression (around 10:1, a similar ratio to that of 128 kbps MP3).
What a bummer... sad.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 09:26 PM

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Personally I don't have a full-HD capable audio system but been listening here and there... for movies, I can't really detect much difference but for music, the difference is slightly more obvious if I pay close attention.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 08:56 PM)
I have to admit I have never experienced lossless audio before and reading about all your boom boom pow biling balang reports here really is poisoning. So much so that I bought a HD Audio capable receiver although I was more than happy with my old one that can only do DD/DTS. (I have to admit there was a firesale then biggrin.gif)

Then yesterday, I had the opportunity to experience DTS-HD MA in SenQ as they were playing Fast and Furious 2 in one of their Jamo demo rooms. I have to say if memory serves me right, I cannot hear any difference at all comparing to my copy of DVD. I was let down on the spot, but thought maybe it was the speakers.

Then I came back home and did some research on HD audio, and this article was very eye-opening (eardrum busting in this case):

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueH...ncompressed_PCM

Some of the excerpts from the article:
and the finishing blow...
What a bummer... sad.gif
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sure or not? even on stereo speakers via PS3 playing Blu-ray, switching from DD/DTS to TrueHD/LPCM/DTS-MA tracks.. the difference is there..

anyway you can join Rx330 gang.. he also can't hear the difference..

since can't hear, next time you visit, I pass you DVDs instead of my Blu-ray movies, anjua? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 09:49 PM

hmm...
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TS, I think I might have about the same experience as yours. My first demo was using PS3 with Yammy 663 and PSB Alpha. I was highly disappointed with what I heard.

Now using BD60 with Malaz 6003 and Klipsch, it was a totally different experience. It is what HD audio should be. So I guess it also depends on our hardware. Just my 2 cents.
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Dont know abt u guys, but mine can immeadiately notice the diff. with my previous yammy even with the entry level psb alpha. There were more detailed and bass was tight. Still havent got the time to tune up with my new hd avr though.
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post Sep 13 2009, 09:56 PM

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What I was trying to say is during the first demo, the difference is not impressive and way out of my expectation. I didn't say there was no difference at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding smile.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 10:21 PM

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I would say the difference is there
especially on the LFE part
I can feel that the bass is tighter and more full for HD audios
For mid and high, the difference is very mild

This is in fact I'm comparing the HD-audios from BD and the DD/DTS from MKV, which the source is the same

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post Sep 13 2009, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 09:40 PM)
sure or not? even on stereo speakers via PS3 playing Blu-ray, switching from DD/DTS to TrueHD/LPCM/DTS-MA tracks.. the difference is there..

anyway you can join Rx330 gang.. he also can't hear the difference..

since can't hear, next time you visit, I pass you DVDs instead of my Blu-ray movies, anjua?  biggrin.gif
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No mah, just stating my experience and telling U what I read in the article. Or maybe those Jamo speakers in SenQ suck. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 10:39 PM)
No mah, just stating my experience and telling U what I read in the article. Or maybe those Jamo speakers in SenQ suck. biggrin.gif
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I think RX commented with similar conclusion while using jamo as well.. laugh.gif
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The first time I auditioned HD audio was at a shop, a closed demo room. Consists of Onkyo 9XX (can't rmb), Pana Bd60, Mirage speaker setup and Velo CHT12. To my surprise, not impressive, tested with Diehard 4.0. But the guy said he hasn't set up the system yet, maybe...


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 10:58 PM)
I think RX commented with similar conclusion while using jamo as well..  laugh.gif
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So are we saying that is the weakest link? Anyone tried with Wharfy Diamond 9 series? If not impressive then I have to garu kepala liao...

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post Sep 13 2009, 11:06 PM

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I'm using whole set of Diamond 9...but all of them are in boxes now...sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 11:06 PM)
I'm using whole set of Diamond 9...but all of them are in boxes now...sweat.gif
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take them out n setup ur 1909 quickly bro.. u r missing the Lossless feel. smile.gif.
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QUOTE(butter finger @ Sep 13 2009, 11:01 PM)
The first time I auditioned HD audio was at a shop, a closed demo room. Consists of Onkyo 9XX (can't rmb), Pana Bd60, Mirage speaker setup and Velo CHT12. To my surprise, not impressive, tested with Diehard 4.0. But the guy said he hasn't set up the system yet, maybe...


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So are we saying that is the weakest link? Anyone tried with Wharfy Diamond 9 series? If not impressive then I have to garu kepala liao...
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I dunno.. even on Aego 2.1 system with RCA from Ps3 it sounds different when switching audio tracks to HD.. oh well, if can't hear difference also got good point, then just watch 1080p MKVs with DD/DTS audio should be fine, no need to waste money on blu-rays... biggrin.gif my 2 cents..
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Cannot lah...now I'm staying in a birdcage...wait till i move to my atap house first. biggrin.gif

Dem sian everyday also go look at the 1909 box...tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 11:22 PM)
Cannot lah...now I'm staying in a birdcage...wait till i move to my atap house first. biggrin.gif

Dem sian everyday also go look at the 1909 box...tongue.gif
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how much you paid for the denon? 1.5k ?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 11:24 PM)
how much you paid for the denon? 1.5k ?
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1.9k lah...cheap cheap niah...peasant toy blush.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 11:22 PM)
Cannot lah...now I'm staying in a birdcage...wait till i move to my atap house first. biggrin.gif

Dem sian everyday also go look at the 1909 box...tongue.gif
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i cud come n unlock the birdcage for elite chew to fly free... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 11:24 PM)
how much you paid for the denon? 1.5k ?
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wei.. where got 1909 for 1.5 k.. tongue.gif

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post Sep 14 2009, 12:39 AM

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It might mean something if its music but for positional effect like DTS and DD, you probably end up "the tyre pitch is slightly higher and sharper" or "she sound sexier than she did in non-hd".
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This discussion again ar? Everybody has read my view about this many times already, all know where I stand. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 11:21 PM)
I dunno.. even on Aego 2.1 system with RCA from Ps3 it sounds different when switching audio tracks to HD.. oh well, if can't hear difference also got good point, then just watch 1080p MKVs with DD/DTS audio should be fine, no need to waste money on blu-rays...  biggrin.gif  my 2 cents..
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Agreed bro. Anyway, can they tell the difference between the 1080p MKV and the original BD (PQ wise)? We did a test, and my friend immediately saw what he's been missing, even though it was not a side-by-side comparison.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 13 2009, 11:31 PM)
1.9k lah...cheap cheap niah...peasant toy blush.gif
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wait untill you move house, the 2310 will be at 1.9k nia tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Sep 14 2009, 08:04 AM)
wait untill you move house, the 2310 will be at 1.9k nia tongue.gif
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New or used? If new, I give U 20k, U get 10 units for me. The balance U can keep.

How?
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So, anyone can list down the BD titles that have the most noticeable improvement in HD audio?... thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(neoardi @ Sep 14 2009, 08:52 AM)
So, anyone can list down the BD titles that have the most noticeable improvement in HD audio?... thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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Those that I've heard the DVD to compare with:

Band of Brothers
Black Hawk Down
Blade Runner
Braveheart
Cars
Casino Royale
Cast Away
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Day After Tomorrow
Déjà Vu
Die Hard 1-3
The Fifth Element
Gladiator
Hairspray
Hulk
ID4
Kill Bill
King Kong
Kung Fu Hustle
The Matrix Trilogy
Men In Black
Monster's Inc.
Pearl Harbor
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Predator
Speed
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Top Gun
Troy
U-571
The Truman Show
The Wedding Singer
The X-Files: Fight the Future

Yes, even those non-action movies has improvements from the lossy DVD. More as I remember.
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rx, i heard that quote many years ago tongue.gif so, whats your speakers right now?
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QUOTE(neoardi @ Sep 14 2009, 08:52 AM)
So, anyone can list down the BD titles that have the most noticeable improvement in HD audio?... thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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One that is pretty clear is Ratatouille. The PCM vs the Dolby Digital is pretty different.

Casino Royale is another. The DVD lossy sound is pretty good but noisy. The lossless has better control as such the details are better.


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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:02 AM)
avoid jamo sad.gif
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Jam-o can put in Jam-ban mah...
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thanks for the list there aiman thumbup.gif ...now i must get king kong and monsters inc. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(neoardi @ Sep 14 2009, 10:06 AM)
thanks for the list there aiman thumbup.gif ...now i must get king kong and monsters inc. biggrin.gif
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Those 2 are very obvious. You won't regret it.

The one that really made my jaw dropped was Blade Runner, but that was in the early days of my adoption to BD. It sounds so sweet, especially the score by Vangelis. Very lively and spine tingling.


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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:02 AM)
avoid jamo sad.gif
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Bro, what you waiting for. It's time to upgrade, way overdue already. nod.gif

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:04 AM)
neo, still jamo blush.gif
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its time to upgrade, you know you can brows.gif
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sigh, early early mornign kena chew pijak sad.gif

neo, for me to upgrade there are many issues, mainly, $$, 2nd space, if u really notice the pics i posted b4, i dun really have any space for floor standers of bookshelves only satellite speakers are allowed
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:35 AM)
sigh, early early mornign kena chew pijak sad.gif

neo, for me to upgrade there are many issues, mainly, $$, 2nd space, if u really notice the pics i posted b4, i dun really have any space for floor standers of bookshelves only satellite speakers are allowed
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Ei...where got pijak? Only elites will be able to have sound system in jamban ok. We peasants, our sound system is our own wistling niah...like this... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:35 AM)
sigh, early early mornign kena chew pijak sad.gif

neo, for me to upgrade there are many issues, mainly, $$, 2nd space, if u really notice the pics i posted b4, i dun really have any space for floor standers of bookshelves only satellite speakers are allowed
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Time to upgrade the house. rclxms.gif
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Tun RX so humble one. notworthy.gif
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last night test some scene from Valkyrie....
The starting air bombing....
all of us jump form the seats...like real gun fire shoot from the sky...and my son take covers....tongue.gif sweat.gif
so real......
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Sep 14 2009, 11:56 AM)
last night test some scene from Valkyrie....
The starting air bombing....
all of us jump form the seats...like real gun fire shoot from the sky...and my son take covers....tongue.gif sweat.gif
so real......
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wah... sounds so real d still looking to upgrade sub & poweramp?? Want it to be surreal?? tongue.gif
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How come some of you comparing HD sound with 5.1 sound from different sources smile.gif

Isn't the review about comparing from the same source?
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Very often the difference is in the price. When we pay more for something, we expect it to be better and therefore we pay more closer attention to the detail then we otherwise would.

For me I never heard of Master audio so I cannot comment but from my experience with high bit rate DD and DTS, I cannot tell much difference at all. Anyway, I am more than happy with most mkv dts sound so no need to upgrade for now. Just mu opinion.
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ouch.... pedasnya....
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This is like the argument during the early days of what is HD and what is Full HD Video and whether there is a difference between 720 and 1080. Some can see the difference, some say anything beyond 720 is microscopic difference. Technically there is a definite difference btw lossy and lossless, and whether you can hear the difference depends also on your decoder as well as speakers.

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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Sep 14 2009, 05:57 PM)
This is like the argument during the early days of what is HD and what is Full HD Video and whether there is a difference between 720 and 1080.  Some can see the difference, some say anything beyond 720 is microscopic difference.  Technically there is a definite difference btw lossy and lossless, and whether you can hear the difference depends also on your decoder as well as speakers.
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yeah maybe he use RM10 computer speaker.. biggrin.gif not much difference between 64k MP3 and 96/24 audio.. biggrin.gif

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hmm...
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 05:00 PM)
ouch.... pedasnya....
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:02 AM)
Those that I've heard the DVD to compare with:

Band of Brothers
Black Hawk Down
Blade Runner
Braveheart
Cars
Casino Royale
Cast Away
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Day After Tomorrow
Déjà Vu
Die Hard 1-3
The Fifth Element
Gladiator
Hairspray
Hulk
ID4
Kill Bill
King Kong
Kung Fu Hustle
The Matrix Trilogy
Men In Black
Monster's Inc.
Pearl Harbor
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Predator
Speed
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Top Gun
Troy
U-571
The Truman Show
The Wedding Singer
The X-Files: Fight the Future

Yes, even those non-action movies has improvements from the lossy DVD. More as I remember.
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why need to compare to DVD?

on BD also got it's own DD/DTS track wot.. just switch between lossless and normal lor.. biggrin.gif
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Hey guys,

Why you ppl gives bad ratings to Jamo speakers? Aren't they really that bad huh?? Some models can cause at least few grands..........BTW, I ain't the Jamo owner!







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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Sep 14 2009, 05:57 PM)
This is like the argument during the early days of what is HD and what is Full HD Video and whether there is a difference between 720 and 1080.  Some can see the difference, some say anything beyond 720 is microscopic difference.  Technically there is a definite difference btw lossy and lossless, and whether you can hear the difference depends also on your decoder as well as speakers.
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The 720P and 1080P debate is different because it was comparing whether one could see the diff on a 37" or 42" TV. As TVs get bigger the eyes can see the diff.

For audio, it is not as straight forward as the current quality has almost reached the limit of what our ears are capable of differentiating. So it is often the mixing that might now make a bigger difference than the bitrate.

Like some people say a very good mixing of DD or DTS 5.1 might sometimes sound better than a HD Audio if it's not properly mixed.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 14 2009, 07:12 PM)
why need to compare to DVD?

on BD also got it's own DD/DTS track wot.. just switch between lossless and normal lor..  biggrin.gif
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True, just that whenever I buy a BD title that I already own the DVD, I like to compare the PQ so why not also the AQ. Just a habit of mine since I adopted to BD. smile.gif
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PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 14 2009, 09:57 PM)
True, just that whenever I buy a BD title that I already own the DVD, I like to compare the PQ so why not also the AQ. Just a habit of mine since I adopted to BD. smile.gif
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i too like to compare. for fun.. normally i just compare with those 1080p mkv. i got one more big mkv file.. mayb can test out tonite.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 01:53 PM)
PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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especially on anime 1080p.. tongue.gif dem noticeable.

those days when u bought ur 50" it is only for elite.... time to upgrade la bos... smile.gif

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QUOTE(zerorulez @ Sep 15 2009, 03:11 PM)
i too like to compare. for fun.. normally i just compare with those 1080p mkv. i got one more big mkv file.. mayb can test out tonite.. tongue.gif
especially on anime 1080p.. tongue.gif dem noticeable.

those days when u bought ur 50" it is only for elite.... time to upgrade la bos... smile.gif
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The dem bulb won't blow yet. mad.gif Furthermore no reason for me to upgrade especially when I am sitting 13" away. 1080p or 720p won't make any difference to me on a 50". rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 03:14 PM)
The dem bulb won't blow yet. mad.gif Furthermore no reason for me to upgrade especially when I am sitting 13" away. 1080p or 720p won't make any difference to me on a 50". rolleyes.gif
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same case with ar188 proj bulb... no need to buy long lasting product.. it will hinder ur upgrading will power.. laugh.gif

sud it be 13' ? hmm.gif tongue.gif
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Oops..ya...13'. sweat.gif

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and a very nice collection to add to ur new landed pg property... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 01:53 PM)
PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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Like that must reconsider my decision to buy HD media player. Or else wait for more m2ts to be available.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 01:53 PM)
PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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Yup, we did a comparison for my friend who never saw any BD before. It was The Fast and the Furious, immediately he realised what he's been missing all this while. Now he's eager to buy a BD player already.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 03:14 PM)
The dem bulb won't blow yet. mad.gif Furthermore no reason for me to upgrade especially when I am sitting 13" away. 1080p or 720p won't make any difference to me on a 50". rolleyes.gif
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That's why you have to upgrade. At 13' away you should not be using 50". At least proj and 100" screen for you biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 01:53 PM)
PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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Mkv have many different quality and if encoded properly with very high bit rate, the PQ can be very good. I agree bluray will be better but those high quality mkv is really not that far behind. To simply say mkv quality is no fight for bluray is not correct. Just like DVD video which got lousy quality and good quality.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 15 2009, 04:28 PM)
That's why you have to upgrade. At 13' away you should not be using 50". At least proj and 100" screen for you biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 03:25 PM)
Oops..ya...13'. sweat.gif

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May I suggest u buying the Panny 103" Plasma...........just nice for u at 13' viewing distance. Can see hair very clear & big! rclxms.gif Some more it will be ngam bgam for elite. I believed the tech will cum & install it for u & they will also see to that ur house current is enough.

Oh yes..........u don't have to worry painting that part of ur livingroom! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Sep 15 2009, 04:40 PM)
Mkv have many different quality and if encoded properly with very high bit rate, the PQ can be very good.  I agree bluray will be better but those high quality mkv is really not that far behind.  To simply say mkv quality is no fight for bluray is not correct.  Just like DVD video which got lousy quality and good quality.
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The MKV I compared to is over 10GB and released by a famous "scene" group. So how? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Sep 15 2009, 04:47 PM)
The MKV I compared to is over 10GB and released by a famous "scene" group. So how? rolleyes.gif
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Maybe is your mkv player? Anyway, i never see those release by the so call "scene" group so i cannot comment.

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The MKV I compared to is over 10GB and released by a famous "scene" group. So how? rolleyes.gif
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HD audio also you can't hear difference play uncompressed BDMV/M2TS for what? , better stick to MKV la. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 15 2009, 06:11 PM)
HD audio also you can't hear difference play uncompressed BDMV/M2TS for what? , better stick to MKV la.  biggrin.gif
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later u can grab his 1909...at half price.. sneaky.. brows.gif
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later u can grab his 1909...at half price.. sneaky.. brows.gif
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if want to get , must get XX10 new series mah.. biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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Aiihh....kena pijak again for buying discounted items...cry.gif
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not cheap also? biggrin.gif
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not cheap also?  biggrin.gif
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