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post Sep 13 2009, 08:56 PM, updated 17y ago

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I have to admit I have never experienced lossless audio before and reading about all your boom boom pow biling balang reports here really is poisoning. So much so that I bought a HD Audio capable receiver although I was more than happy with my old one that can only do DD/DTS. (I have to admit there was a firesale then biggrin.gif)

Then yesterday, I had the opportunity to experience DTS-HD MA in SenQ as they were playing Fast and Furious 2 in one of their Jamo demo rooms. I have to say if memory serves me right, I cannot hear any difference at all comparing to my copy of DVD. I was let down on the spot, but thought maybe it was the speakers.

Then I came back home and did some research on HD audio, and this article was very eye-opening (eardrum busting in this case):

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueH...ncompressed_PCM

Some of the excerpts from the article:

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To get the latest scoop on these new codecs, Editor-in-Chief Geoffrey Morrison and I made arrangements to visit both companies’ respective headquarters, where we would be able to hear definitive A/B comparisons that would be otherwise impossible to properly set up in our own facilities.
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The shocker came when we compared the lower 448 kbps Dolby Digital DVD bitrate to the original. There was an audible difference, but it was only ever-so-slightly noticeable (and this is with a high end audio system in an acoustically controlled environment that is so far beyond what typical home theater systems are capable of resolving). There was just the slightest decrease in presence with the DD version, not exactly a softening of the sound, but just a tad less ambience and a similarly small tightening of the front soundstage’s depth. Quite a remarkable result, I thought, and I was highly impressed with how much fidelity can be packed into such a relatively small amount of bitspace. If I was doing actual scoring, I would have awarded a 4.8 grade to the results I heard – the audible difference was that subtle.
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It was déjà vu all over again. We switched back and forth between the original PCM master and the core DTS version, and here we found only the slightest, barely noticeable difference. From a frequency response standpoint, both versions were identical, with clearly delineated high frequency details, but the compressed version differed slightly only in barely noticeable presence —that sense of being “there”, with the original PCM track having just slightly greater overall richness. Whatever acoustic elements were removed in the code/decode process were clearly superfluous, at least for the most part, as the audible differences were so minor as to be almost unnoticeable—again, another testament to the capabilities of this highly refined codec.
and the finishing blow...

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What impressed, or perhaps surprised, me most about these tests was how good the base codecs actually are. The difference between the original audio and the basic Dolby Digital and DTS is a lot subtler than you’d expect, given the extreme amount of compression (around 10:1, a similar ratio to that of 128 kbps MP3).
What a bummer... sad.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 09:40 PM)
sure or not? even on stereo speakers via PS3 playing Blu-ray, switching from DD/DTS to TrueHD/LPCM/DTS-MA tracks.. the difference is there..

anyway you can join Rx330 gang.. he also can't hear the difference..

since can't hear, next time you visit, I pass you DVDs instead of my Blu-ray movies, anjua?  biggrin.gif
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No mah, just stating my experience and telling U what I read in the article. Or maybe those Jamo speakers in SenQ suck. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 11:06 PM

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I'm using whole set of Diamond 9...but all of them are in boxes now...sweat.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 11:22 PM

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Cannot lah...now I'm staying in a birdcage...wait till i move to my atap house first. biggrin.gif

Dem sian everyday also go look at the 1909 box...tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2009, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 13 2009, 11:24 PM)
how much you paid for the denon? 1.5k ?
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1.9k lah...cheap cheap niah...peasant toy blush.gif
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post Sep 14 2009, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Sep 14 2009, 08:04 AM)
wait untill you move house, the 2310 will be at 1.9k nia tongue.gif
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New or used? If new, I give U 20k, U get 10 units for me. The balance U can keep.

How?
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post Sep 14 2009, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:02 AM)
avoid jamo sad.gif
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Jam-o can put in Jam-ban mah...
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post Sep 14 2009, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Sep 14 2009, 10:35 AM)
sigh, early early mornign kena chew pijak sad.gif

neo, for me to upgrade there are many issues, mainly, $$, 2nd space, if u really notice the pics i posted b4, i dun really have any space for floor standers of bookshelves only satellite speakers are allowed
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Ei...where got pijak? Only elites will be able to have sound system in jamban ok. We peasants, our sound system is our own wistling niah...like this... whistling.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:53 PM

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PQ of 1080p MKV no fight with real BD lah...just tested and verified last night. The difference is immediately noticeable even on my ancient peasant 50" 720p fishtank.

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post Sep 15 2009, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(zerorulez @ Sep 15 2009, 03:11 PM)
i too like to compare. for fun.. normally i just compare with those 1080p mkv. i got one more big mkv file.. mayb can test out tonite.. tongue.gif
especially on anime 1080p.. tongue.gif dem noticeable.

those days when u bought ur 50" it is only for elite.... time to upgrade la bos... smile.gif
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The dem bulb won't blow yet. mad.gif Furthermore no reason for me to upgrade especially when I am sitting 13" away. 1080p or 720p won't make any difference to me on a 50". rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 03:25 PM

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Oops..ya...13'. sweat.gif

If I strike lottery I will get 65" Panny V-silly. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 15 2009, 04:28 PM)
That's why you have to upgrade. At 13' away you should not be using 50". At least proj and 100" screen for you biggrin.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Sep 15 2009, 04:40 PM)
Mkv have many different quality and if encoded properly with very high bit rate, the PQ can be very good.  I agree bluray will be better but those high quality mkv is really not that far behind.  To simply say mkv quality is no fight for bluray is not correct.  Just like DVD video which got lousy quality and good quality.
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The MKV I compared to is over 10GB and released by a famous "scene" group. So how? rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 08:05 PM

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Aiihh....kena pijak again for buying discounted items...cry.gif

 

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