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 Stock Market V39, 七月十四日

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post Sep 9 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 9 2009, 10:10 PM)
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Yes!
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Cadbury!! icon_idea.gif
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oh! goody. notworthy.gif
im thinking of starting a sharedealing acc for FTSE.. when i go back there sad.gif

maybe you can give me a headstart by telling me which ones are gonna go up 30% in 3 months LOL.

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post Sep 9 2009, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Sep 9 2009, 11:10 PM)
MPHB vs BJTOTO vs TANJONG.

Mind sharing which one you guys think has more upside.
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personally, MPHB, although i must admit their property division is pretty useless.

QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 9 2009, 10:20 PM)
Lots of good (and inexpensive) on-line brokerages; extensive (reliable) data on which to base investment decisions; useful forums for networking. So you should do very well! icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on September 9, 2009, 10:25 pmAt 3:08PM : 4,999.64  Up 52.30 (1.06%) icon_idea.gif
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gonna pm u on advice. new to that market there.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 9 2009, 11:44 PM)
Why don't you guys pick up top 30 counters by the way?
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i got one! YTL icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 9 2009, 11:48 PM)
Problem is it is not going with the flow. It cannot impact the index as well  laugh.gif
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so right. this is one naughty small kid in the FBM30 family.
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post Sep 10 2009, 12:02 AM

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sounds like Zhulian here. icon_idea.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 10 2009, 12:07 AM)
I could be biased due to having the stock. I pick Tanjong, because there are still some hidden value of Tanjong asset which can be unlocked through listing its subsidiaries + steady generous dividend on the card.
NTA of it is about Rm10, while PER wise is about 10 only.

MPHB is having some political linked.
Bjtoto basically is about dividend yield generated, company asset is very low only after massive special dividend + capital repayment.

Don't mean other 2 not good, don't get me wrong here, just personal preference.

But if said want to see some explosive upside (goreng one) surely MPHB. But in term of resilience, Tanjong will be better among the listed option, and if FF come in, surely Tanjong is their targetted stock.
Major risk of Tanjong is about IPP contract reviewing or something renegotiation of IPP contract which has been favourable to IPP.
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spot on.
this dodgy MPHB, although on a downtrend, is vulnerable to surprises like this once in a while but i still think it has more room for upside than the heavily traded Tanjong and definitely BJToto. i'm not a personal fan of Berjaya although toto's special dividend is making me drool.


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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 10 2009, 12:11 AM)
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Another good day smile.gif
While those who hold stocks now keep wishing the market to go up, those keeping cash must be cursing now. hahahaha
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i've set my eyes on a handful of stocks i'd really like to jump in now. but the thought of impending doom is keeping me away for now brows.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 10 2009, 12:17 AM)
Stagger buy... you don't want to go all the way in.  nod.gif
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the market's getting more and more erratic. 2 months ago i'd still had a rough if not vague feel of the market sentiment and direction. i struggle to even understand market movements now.

i can't trust the KLCI, but i also can't understand the chinese and commodities and then there's creepy october, so i gotta maintain cautiousness.

maybe i need to get back to studying financial economics, can't understand a damn thing nowadays. sad.gif sad.gif it's like driving a ferrari in the dark with only a torchlight to guide the way (technical indicators).

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post Sep 10 2009, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 10 2009, 12:26 AM)
The one that potential can raise interest rate or first to is AUD, which I welcomed that.  tongue.gif

Others especially UK, which is the least chance among all the major countries/currency.
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because of Australian FD rates? tongue.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 10 2009, 12:25 AM)
oh ya you study economics...

so you have many relevant reference books right?  tongue.gif
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ya but im a lousy student icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:22 AM)
Actually it depends on real interest rates. Nothing more than that.
Inflation will stop this roundabout.


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Neither can anyone else.

it's quite clear from listening to everyone from Roubini to Bernanke to Buffett that no one has a clue what is actually happening....it will take another Keynes - years after the event - to give us a proper historical analysis and perspective.
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oh yes. keynes used to talk about a future thinker that will come years after he's gone to overhaul economics with fresh ideas but turns out until now, no one's been able to replace keynes.
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:30 AM)
Totally agree.
The UK is terminally screwed (to use a technical term!). I expect a collapse like Iceland soon and destruction of the pound followed by massive inflation. Poverty, civil disobedience and social insurrection will follow.

You might see Ireland go that way first....
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i'd like to see that rotten hypocritical still-stuck-in-the-victorian-ages-and-think-it's-a-world-superpower country sink into the sea. first a massive devaluation of the pound to RM2 for 1 pound (my fees will be cheaper than studying here), then a massive rise in inflation, which would see a huge hike in the savings rate to 8% for starters (so my FD goes to 8.5/9%) instead of the meagre 0.1% my savings (non-FD) acc is getting now.

QUOTE(mazda626 @ Sep 10 2009, 12:30 AM)
Can't anticipate the wave but u can adjust the course of the ship maaa..........
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but if tsunami my ship still gonna sink right.. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:39 AM)
Absolutely correct.
As the only country in the world where being obese is a sign of poverty - it's going to be get very nasty when the bananas do run out. hmm.gif


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I'm hoping for parity! but a lot  will depend on Zeti (may peace be upon her) hmm.gif

P.S. What you doing at 0.1%?? You can get 6.25% on UK savings accounts if you know where to look..... brows.gif
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parity? icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif weeeeeeeeeee! god bless zeti, she'd be made Finance Minister if i had it my way sad.gif

they still have 6.25%?

last i checked (3months ago) ICICI had one of the highest but i aint gonna put my money in a dodgy indian bank. ING's 2.75% was the alternative so i chucked some money in there. but the bulk is still sitting on 0.1% sad.gif sad.gif

that's why im gonna MAKE it work for me this time round. target 12% gain minimum.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 10 2009, 12:46 AM)
You need to ride on a submarine then, submarine doesn't scare of Tsunami.  laugh.gif
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hahaha like you cherroy?
you and your submarine, surfacing once in a while to pick up the fruits of your labour, then take them down into the submarine with you and slowly eat and enjoy the chaos outside. sigh. notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 10 2009, 12:48 AM)
How about HSBC?  They're not giving good rates?
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I am with HSBC.

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post Sep 10 2009, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 10 2009, 12:50 AM)
Bummer!!  sad.gif
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yeah,

just checked again.
http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/interest-rates/s...pebIR:11j71fovq

Flexible Saver Standard Rates
up to 10k - 0.05% Gross, 0.05% AER. mad.gif

sad thing is i can't lock up the money for 6 months min cuz i'll need it for living costs, and i don't know what's gonna happen in 6 months so better keep it where it's liquid. tongue.gif

sorry, OT-ed. back to equities now laugh.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:51 AM)
And can spot the sharks much better.... brows.gif
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i see what you did thar brows.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:56 AM)
OT: Barnsley Building Society is paying 5.4pc. Think Bournmouth has 6.25% but for monthly savings up to 250 quid only.
Back on-topic.... blush.gif
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ack.. building societies! they have dodgy plastered all over them from what i see. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 12:58 AM)
Zeti is one of the best assets this country has IMHO.
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BNM, along with the SC should be given autonomy and executive powers immediately.

it's like deja vu. back to the 90s watching the Japanese Ministry Of Finance vs. the Bank of Japan. end result? the MOF won a 10-year deflationary cycle.
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Sep 10 2009, 01:01 AM)
Who cares....they are all backed by the Gubmint's guarantee up to 125K I think it is now. Even the depositors in those dodgy Icelandic banks that opened in the UK and went bust last year all got their money back icon_idea.gif
So, I wouldn't worry about a dodgy Indian bank if it is regulated by FSA. Gordo will just take it over, print more notes and pay everyone out.

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endemic failures ahoy! tongue.gif


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QUOTE(eligator_89 @ Sep 10 2009, 01:06 AM)
namfatt ok o not?..wishing to buy namfatt tomolo
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namfatt? be careful. usually it's volume is thin, something's cookin in Namfatt, plus it's been cooking for a few days already.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 10 2009, 10:54 AM)
@pana: though volume is small, the market is rising.

this is not the first time it happened since March '09, even in the past 5 years, it happened when the trend was up.

Volume was so little during recession period, people kept selling, therefore the volume was little. But now, the trend is up, big sharks will buy more; small fish will either go sideway or speculate when would market fall, or will go align with the sharks. It won't fall because big sharks don't sell; big sharks don't sell because the market is going up.

Thirdly, it won't have huge downturn cos we have been through consecutive 6 months of rising. Even if it falls, it will be resume and back to the trend within 2 weeks time or so. This happened before last year, around April if I'm not mistaken.

This is what I've obseved and studied about. Just to share only, may not correct.

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that was a reasonable observation. but given our market's players, it's barely possible to know when they're dumping.
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btw, i'm still cautious about october. but i might make a move then. cashing out my remaining mid term stock. rest all long term jor.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 10 2009, 11:15 AM)
not mine. just helping a friend.
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i'm quite interested, big samsung fan here drool.gif but COD time unsuitable lol i'll wait till next year.

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