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post Sep 25 2009, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:45 PM)
between madcow 5x5 and stronglift 5x5, which one the best for bulking?
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Stronglifts is just a copycat of Bill Starr's 5x5.
Any form of programming, with linear increment, will be good.
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post Sep 25 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Sep 24 2009, 11:46 PM)
i guess i'm going to follow that madcow 5x5. more simple i think.
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Trust me, simple is good. Even at my point, I still prefer the simplest methods to get stronger.
One strength exercise, either to build the base, work at maximal strength and an explosive movement after.
Follow Madcow's 5x5. I hate it so much, just cuz it kicks ass so bad and I can't keep up. So I did 3x5 instead.

Until today, I still like using the 3x10/3x8/5x5/3x5/5x3/3x2/2x2/5x1/3x1 (Don't ask, I can't be bothered to explain this. Takes too long) protocol. Those bands, chains, they come later. Wait till you're squatting 4 plates and pulling 5, then we can start talking about bands.
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post Sep 25 2009, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Sep 25 2009, 12:19 AM)
squat 4 plates and pull 5 plates, you making me sound so inferior. tongue.gif
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Your coach isn't making you use bands yet is he?
Let's just talk about developing total strength here first.
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post Sep 28 2009, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(eanson @ Sep 28 2009, 01:24 AM)
hi guys,wan to ask a noob question..izit ok to stop go to gym for 2 weeks? cos is my exam week..will it affect my strength,etc for stop working-out for such an interval?  sweat.gif
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It will definitely affect. Then when you go back to the gym, you're bound to get DOMS. So yeah, have fun biggrin.gif
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post Sep 28 2009, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(eanson @ Sep 28 2009, 08:03 AM)
ya...but everytime after i work out..i tend to get tiring n sleepy...scare cant study.. rclxub.gif
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Pace yourself then. Nobody's asking you to lift till your toes drop.
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post Sep 29 2009, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(eanson @ Sep 28 2009, 12:29 PM)
thx for the advise bro..will keep in mind  smile.gif  probably will train when the next day is a easier paper(ex: moral studies lolz)
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Try burpees. Do 20. You're set for a day's workout.
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post Sep 29 2009, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:33 AM)
guys, i get lower back sore after deadlifting today. is it mean that my form is incorrect? or because already 1 month i stop lifting then the doms come again?
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Could be a combination of both. Likely to be just DOMS.
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post Sep 30 2009, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(bata @ Sep 30 2009, 07:36 PM)
anybody doing Max-OT here?
Stronglifts 5x5, HST or Max-OT~~ confused now..lol

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What's your goal?

5x5 (Sl is a complete bastardization of the original one by Bill Starr) for strength
Then drop to 3x5 when you stagnant.

I'd think that since bb'ing just about mass mass mass, why not periodize it? Strength and size, size specific, strength specific and then size specific. Play around the 3x8/5x5/3x5/3x3/3x15-20 range.
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post Sep 30 2009, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(bata @ Sep 30 2009, 08:06 PM)
whats your view if i want to bulk and gain strength after fasting and resting for a whole month?
strength based program seems good too considering im weak as limp d*** nao after that change to hypertrophy program?
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Sep 30 2009, 08:32 PM)
Pardon my interruption , but I think going on a regular 5x5 would do the trick. just try to periodize your bench to 5x8 and your squats to 5x3 or 5x5. Deadlifts, keep it 5x5 or 5x3. Kick arse on the accessory work like DB incline , cable rows, bb rows, lat pulldowns, leg presses etc. Once you get stronger on accessory work, you will definitely see some mass and some big lifts on the 3
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He just answered your question.

It's a very powerlifting styled program, but a lot of bodybuilders, can and should benefit from powerlifting programs.

Here's the hard and simple truth. Nobody on this forum, needs anything advanced.

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This is Kmaru log. That's how simple his training is. He wants to grow muscle. He understands the simplicity. High rep - more muscle growth. You don't need all that HST, SPECIFIC OPT, HRT, PPT, Pepet Tee, LMNOP, QRSTUVWXYZ, ASDF'LKJ routines all.

You guys need to drill the basics into yourself. The squat, bench and deadlift will pack on tonnes of solid muscle. If you constantly increase the weights in these 3 exercises, and rest, you can grow like crazy. When these 3 lifts, won't get easier, change the rep range and weights. If it still won't work, add accessory work like pull-ups, rows, dumbbell bench/press, lunges and stuff.

It's just bodybuilding, at lower levels. It's not training athletes for basketball or something. That's....the painful fact. That's why 5x5 should be milked like crazy. It gives you a good balance of strength and muscle. Quality.
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post Oct 1 2009, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(bata @ Oct 1 2009, 07:59 AM)
there's few obstacles that prevent me to proceed pre-programmed routine like 5x5. i do realize this, and i realize this all the cause to my plateaus (be my weight and strength)

1) no power/squat rack. i can only do front squat cross style by lifting them from the bench press rack. clean them and use Oly style? tried, but heavy weights left me with pain in the wrist, which i twisted (sprained?) them last year.

2) most routine like this requires barbell bench press, there's the 2nd problem, i have problem with my shoulders that prevent me from doing that. usually i do dumbbell bench press, but to progress is pain in the ass. WHY? my gym doesnt have 1.25kg plates, the lightest one is 2.5kg!! so the heaviest dumbbell i can handle is 25kgs and if i want to do progressive loading, straight to 30kg dumbbell....OMG...maybe squat and deads can progress like that, but for me bench is a NO NO
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I've a solution for your issue.

1. Don't bench. It's the best solution
2. It's really simple actually. If you don't have 1.25KG plates, do this. Say M/W/F. M-100KG. W-102.5KG F-105KG. Since you don't have 2.5, just do M-100KG, W-100KG, F-105KG. For dumbbells, it's probably not as simple to do, so go by feel. Do the 5x5 as well, then supplement the supporting muscles to strengthen the movement.

Or even easier, use a 3 day back/chest/leg split.

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You could modify 5x5 like this.

Do the Diesel Crew Shoulder Warmup (Google this) for your warmup

Monday (Chest 5x5)

Db Bench - 5x5
Weighted Pull - ups - 5x5
Overhead dumbbell press - 4x8
Dumbbell pullover - 3x10
Medicine ball Pushup - 50 reps

Wednesday (Back 5x5)

Deadlift - 5x5 (Progressive increment)
Dumbbell rows - 4 x 12-15
Box/elevated/rack deadlift - 5x3 (Work on pulling traps and lats together)
Dumbbell lateral raises
Bicep curls - 3x10

Friday (Legs 5x5)

Squats 5x5 (Progressive increment)
Reverse Lunges 3x10
Leg Press 3 x 10
Single leg jump (I usually do a left leg hop, hop, explode, right leg, hop hop, explode!)

Something to keep you agile while training.
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post Oct 1 2009, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Xesgod @ Oct 1 2009, 08:05 PM)
Did squats for the first time in a month omg my legs feel like they got run over by a hummer T.T lol same same my goals 80kg by year end too! Btw, when ya'll set your goals for a certain weight right, is that weight pre or post cutting?
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It doesn't matter. Just hit it.
Don't give yourself an excuse not to get it. When you set a goal, and you don't achieve it, it's either you tried really hard but failed, or didn't try hard enough, thus failed.

And of course you'll know the answer to that. Most of the time, we try hard, but not hard enough, thus fail.

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Oct 1 2009, 08:42 PM)
is it okay to change barbell row with pull ups?
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If mere cosmetics, yeah. The barbell rows, work more on the saggital plane.

The issue with pull-ups is too many people, don't use their backs. I learned the best way on how to use the back was by this method;

- Close grip chin-ups (recruits the lower lats better)
- Hang with arms completely straight and loose (Elbows must be able to shake)
- Hang for a few seconds, till I feel the stretch in my lats
- Pull up fast and how as long as possible at the highest point, at the mid point, and the point just before the lowest.

I'll do this for a few reps. Then I get the feeling and then repeat. Usually, straps help to get this sensation best.
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Oct 2 2009, 01:56 AM)
thats what i do during chin or pull
but having it dangle just disturbs the balance
having someone to pegang helps me do it perfectly
but its a matter of time before i can perfect the form myself
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for the time being, i dont mind having support lil bit


Added on October 2, 2009, 1:59 am
talking about straps kan pizzaboy, im wondering whats the best glove or straps for deadlift
i mean currently my max is 150lbs deadlift (yeah...its puny,sorry hahaha) but after 3 reps my left palms already slippery so always have to letak first and re-grip which is a mess to the flow...
any ideas?
sorry, i hate gloves and such but perhaps i really need one now cuz my palms are as soft as a girl's
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The best strap....let me think....

There's this material made of a certain alligator hide which is tough as hell, and can withstand about 5000LBS of pressure. That would probably be the best material I can think of. No I'm just bullshitting.

Just go with a very strong sorta material. Put it around your wrist and then roll it around the bar. Grip it and lift.
A good idea? School belts. Green color ones. You just need to learn to get used to the feeling of the strap biting into your skin. After that it's okay.


Added on October 2, 2009, 2:11 amMind you.....my comments and advises, are meant for the ghetto.

Most people, want the better way to do it, so yeah, the better way, go to criticalbench.com or http://www.prowriststraps.com/ and order an overpriced strap while my strap does the same thing.


Added on October 2, 2009, 2:31 amN I want to shout something.

Taking 20GMS of protein and 40GMS of protein at one sitting, makes no difference to muscle synthesis.

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Oct 2 2009, 02:33 AM)
max protein is only 20GMS per take?
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Read Methods For Investigation Of Amino Acid And Protein Metabolism by El Khoury Antoine E.


Added on October 2, 2009, 3:51 amhttp://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=117773861

The powah of 5x5

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QUOTE(Shah_15 @ Oct 2 2009, 12:38 PM)
by mere cosmetics you mean there will be no increase in strength?
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Of course there'll be an increase. I can shoulder a sandbag and swing and snatch kettlebells for a month and come back with an increased deadlift as well.

It's just that with barbell rows, you can increase thickness as well as strengthen certain areas that the pullups don't hit, (such as the lower back static strength) I won't use them to substitute for each other. I'd use them together.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 7 2009, 08:05 PM)
Pizzaboy,

What would you do to increase tendon and ligament strength?
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20 rep squats for 2 sets @ 50%.
20 rep deadlifts for a set @ 60%


Added on October 10, 2009, 9:59 am
QUOTE(bata @ Oct 9 2009, 03:46 AM)
its been a while but thx pizzaboy on Zercher squat. unload on the bench press rack is a b**** though.
and i found my micro plates back, gonna bring that to gym..lol
progress time wink.gif
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Get it from the floor.

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 10 2009, 12:16 PM)
Dude outside, advise is needed.

I have heard that muscle has 'memory' and hence, we should not do the same routine work forever, there must be increased in speed, and/or weight etc.

When i do hand lifting (sorry i am very weak in the machine's name). I started off at 60 and currently forcing myself to take 60 x 3 sets, at 15 times each and 70 x 1 set at 10 times each.  It has been a month already.  I still cant just focus doing 70 for 3 sets.  It happens for other lifting too.  That being the case, will it affect my progress? (1)

For abs, i do the chair exercise.  Doing 150 separated in 3 sets.  Any other way to loose abs fat? (2)

Lastly, when i come back from gym recently, my muscle is ok.  It is not as sore as i firstly joined gym despite i have increased lifting weight etc.  Does that mean i have not been effectively working out? (3)

Advise is needed.

thanks.
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All your questions, are exactly the reason why these fellows asked you to search a bit.

I'll answer your questions.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No.

I don't know why I'm so nice sometimes. Oh well...
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 10 2009, 01:27 PM)
thanks dude so kind of u  thumbup.gif
for 1 and 2 how do i progress?
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I bold the question

QUOTE(Florian @ Oct 10 2009, 02:43 PM)
Why are you doing 15 reps? When you can just increase the weight and drop the reps, plus make it 4 sets. I can see you're not taking your training seriously enough.

You need to read more.
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And I bolded the answer.

Right now if you're thinking like we're idiots and just refuse to give you the answer, trust me it's a question that's so simple, we DON'T have to give you an answer. Just a quick search and you'll find out. Its truly very simple.


Added on October 10, 2009, 9:05 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lbu_23w3EY&feature=related

I've got the answer to anybody that say they can't squat or deadlift cuz of long limbs.

This giant, is 6'8"


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