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 Nokia N900 launched!, N Series with Maemo 5 on board

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post Mar 1 2010, 09:54 PM

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huhh i bought rm 1920 2 weeks ago, now 2999 ?
who want, i sell ... hahaha joking joking ...
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QUOTE(Spunky @ Mar 1 2010, 05:38 PM)
Guys, i just checked with Nokia centre at the Curve. The phone will only be launched in the 3rd week of March...and the price tag according to the sales girl is...

RM2999!

I think it is totally overpriced...  vmad.gif  shakehead.gif

I was prepared to pay 2500 at the most...
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wah 3k... rclxub.gif

luckily got mine though is AP..well, zitron n AP makes no difference except warranty thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(jloi @ Mar 1 2010, 09:57 PM)
wah 3k... rclxub.gif

luckily got mine though is AP..well, zitron n AP makes no difference except warranty  thumbup.gif
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ya, but there is alot of difference when it comes to warranty and after sales service
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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Mar 1 2010, 09:59 PM)
ya, but there is alot of difference when it comes to warranty and after sales service
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But is it worth the extra RM1K?
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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Mar 1 2010, 09:59 PM)
ya, but there is alot of difference when it comes to warranty and after sales service
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What after sales service? You mean software updates?

Basically, you get 1 year free updates from any Nokia Centre and 1 year warranty; But honestly speaking, software updates can be easily done through your PC ever since they have the connection to PC Suite via USB cable.
As for warranty, it's unless very unlucky to get the any problems within 1 year. Depending how much price difference, it might not worth getting the "authorised" set.

Then again, as Clareen has clarified; Nokia Centre sells more expensive. Just like the N97 Mini, Nokia Centre is selling RM2150, but Clareen is selling for only RM1700++?

I've had a bad experience once. I bought the N81 when it just launch last time from Nokia Centre in One Utama, later I went down and saw Maxis centre selling N81 as well, both are authorised set, but Maxis selling more than RM100 cheaper. I ask her lady why they're selling cheaper, she replied that the price I bought is the RRP (Recommended Retail Price), but they don't necessarily have to sell at that price....

So, perhaps when the authorised set are available, those interested can hunt around lowyat.net for any seller selling authorised set.


Added on March 1, 2010, 10:26 pmBtw, check out the link below and see how you can customize your conversations~

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618&page=35

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 1 2010, 10:26 PM
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So wat ur saying is, the difference is just the hardware warranty then rite?

In terms of software firmware updates, the AP version will receive exactly the same updates as the Official phone? Based on my understanding, AP phones come from diff countries, and their tweaks may be diff? Do correct me if i'm wrong.

And yes, i agree that official Nokia stores sell it at the RRP i.e. premium. Therefore, we can still get the original set at other handphone retailers at a slightly lower price from the RRP (discount of RM100-200 + -).

At present, the main problem with the AP users of the N900 is no MMS function and Landscape mode rite? I believe the official launch of this phone will have this problems addressed?
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2010, 10:24 PM)
Btw, check out the link below and see how you can customize your conversations~

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618&page=35
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wow tats so cool biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Spunky @ Mar 1 2010, 10:37 PM)
At present, the main problem with the AP users of the N900 is no MMS function and Landscape mode rite? I believe the official launch of this phone will have this problems addressed?
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I don't think there is going any change in Landscape mode & potrait mode in upcoming n900
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QUOTE(Spunky @ Mar 1 2010, 10:37 PM)
So wat ur saying is, the difference is just the hardware warranty then rite?

In terms of software firmware updates, the AP version will receive exactly the same updates as the Official phone? Based on my understanding, AP phones come from diff countries, and their tweaks may be diff? Do correct me if i'm wrong.

And yes, i agree that official Nokia stores sell it at the RRP i.e. premium. Therefore, we can still get the original set at other handphone retailers at a slightly lower price from the RRP (discount of RM100-200 + -).

At present, the main problem with the AP users of the N900 is no MMS function and Landscape mode rite? I believe the official launch of this phone will have this problems addressed?
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Firmware updates if you download via PC basically you're getting the international version. I'm not sure what kind of customization for local authorised set, probably like default language, etc. The thing is, who would know the differences? The features are all the same. But for Motorola Milestone (DROID in UK), there're difference in terms of hardware and firmware, the milestone are "locked" version by Moto as I've read. So, in this case, do you prefer to get the "local" set? brows.gif

After warranty period, in case there's any hardware problem *touchwood*, AP or authorised set get the same treatment and same price for repair at Nokia Centres. Do they get special discount or service? No idea.
I guess AP set, the worry is whether the accessories are truly original (such as Battery, charger). Am I right?

Yup, the MMS is one of the problem problem, the other common one is: As most people have been using custom ringtones for contacts to identify caller, grouping contacts for easy sms sending to groups and assigning ringtones to groups; they might be surprise to find this feature missing in the N900.

Portrat mode not really a problem really! Currently the browser supports Portrait mode, and I can say I doesn't like the Portrait mode; maybe certain web page it might be useful, but because the screen is widescreen in landscape mode... viewing in landscape mode is the best~
For phone function, portrait mode is already supported since it was launched? The default mode is portrait mode when you tries to make a call.


QUOTE(jloi @ Mar 1 2010, 10:37 PM)
wow tats so cool biggrin.gif  thumbup.gif
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Yup! I've customize a little; moved the other party avatar and nickname to the right side.
Cool~ much nicer and easier viewing.

Btw, anybody knows why for SMS, it doesn't show our name or nickname? It always show "You"
Somehow in the forum, those people have nicknames instead of "You". Seems its not define in the html or js file.


Added on March 1, 2010, 11:08 pm
QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Mar 1 2010, 10:53 PM)
I don't think there is going any change in Landscape mode & potrait mode in upcoming n900
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Latest firmware, the web browser can auto switch to Portrait or Landscape mode.

Phone function, Portrait mode has long been supported, in fact, it's the default mode.

As for more Portrait mode support, it's been mentioned that it might be available in the next update; but no official statement yet; We'll see and hope for the next firmware updates.

You can check out the below teaser video:






This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 1 2010, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2010, 02:52 PM)
Qt is a programming language like Java, and same like Java it can be deploy everywhere. Thus as long as the OS support Qt library, it can run the apps. Qt4.6 is the version which can be supported by many OS.

N900 is also build upon Qt4, thus the nice looking UI/screen, buttons, progress bar, etc. Looks like Flash style. PR1.2 is said to have full Qt4.6 built in.

Please correct me if there's anything wrong with above statement.
Well, the blog itself is talking about the great Maemo, N900 and upcoming MeeGo. The problem comes from the comments from the users; mainly they're frustrated with the new OS which everyone fears Maemo5 will be forgotten and loose it's support.

As a longtime Nokia user, I don't think Nokia will stop supporting their old device, they might support less as time goes, but by that time, it's pretty much stable usually.
The future of N900 is still uncertain as Nokia said it's too early to tell if N900 can be upgraded to MeeGo; but I'm sure they won't just drop N900 away. Besides, with Qt4.6 as their emphasis, we can rest assure that many apps develop in Qt4.6 can install in MeeGo as well as Maemo5, even Symbian, WinMo, etc. They also don't want to the trouble have to port the apps to various OS right?

The main concern here is the support as currently Maemo5 is still not stable and needs a lot of improvements, still very new/young. Nokia also specifically mentioned they're pushing the updates for Maemo, hence, we already have 3 updates since the launch of the N900 (1 update being the major one) and with another upcoming major update .

Anyway, as I've mentioned previously, it really depends what you're looking for as your next phone. The best phone for Mr. A may not be the best phone for Mr. B. Think carefully what you really want for your next phone and make your decision. Personally, I don't find other phone attractive or outstanding, they all look pretty much the same. Maemo OS is like a totally different class, the Desktop idea/design is really unique and outstanding, you don't see this in other phones in the market, which makes it very unique and outstanding. The original theme and background (water splash) is also very creative and classy in design. The buttons, progress bars, media player main screen, music player timeline bars, all are very nice looking, like a Flash device; unlike others which looks plain and normal.
It's one of the kind OS with very nice UI design. Plus, N900 it's the only Maemo5 device in the market.

On the other hand, the Android is also nice in another way, but I find it quite like the iPhone OS in certain way, but a much better/improved version. There're unique features or attractive part of Android OS, and it's also one of the fastest updated OS, having already version 2.x and soon to v3?  Plus, there're just soo many device options for Android OS out there. Depends how you look at it, it's good and also bad. Bad in terms of? Just like WinMo devices, one of it is, be prepared that your device gets outdated very quickly with more and more new device supporting Android and new better specs keep coming. The good thing still remains where you can still upgrade your OS to newer version, but the hardware specs is the one that can be fix.
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AFAIK Maemo 5 UI on N900 was being build on GTK+, not QT4 as u hve stated before...but then, this is not really important LOL laugh.gif

And from what u hve stated before,agree that Nokia do support their older phone....heck they still roll out updates for N95 and N82 earlier this year if im not mistaken

And Nokia haven't state that N900 will be upgradable to Maemo6 in the future....ALTHOUGH there are some assuring saying from the community that Meego MAYBE can be ported to N900 due to its FULLY open nature (for example, although being dubbed as open source, N900 UI was closed sourced...meaning oni free for Nokia to modify etc)....just keep ur finger crossed....

Not to mention, I also have to say that WinMo is very2 underrated, as much as how Android is underrated...And at this stage...looking at how things going for Android OS...I hve to say that fragmentation can be a silent killer for them sad.gif

Last but not least...I am FULLY agree that hardware specs is very important if u want a future proof device icon_rolleyes.gif


BTW...plz Clareen and Eteam Trade....don't increase ur N900 AP price...Im a poor student LOL laugh.gif

This post has been edited by zero_kbom: Mar 1 2010, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:05 PM)
Yup, the MMS is one of the problem problem, the other common one is: As most people have been using custom ringtones for contacts to identify caller, grouping contacts for easy sms sending to groups and assigning ringtones to groups; they might be surprise to find this feature missing in the N900.
I'm using fMMS its working. Im using Celcom.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:05 PM)
Btw, anybody knows why for SMS, it doesn't show our name or nickname? It always show "You"
Somehow in the forum, those people have nicknames instead of "You". Seems its not define in the html or js file.
To change YOU to yr nickname follow this step

just edit the .js-file.

Orignal Code:

CODE
if (item.name_str != "") {
       name_tag.textContent = item.name_str;
   }


to Code:

CODE
if (item.name_str != "") {
       name_tag.textContent = item.name_str;
   }

if (item.name_str != "" && item.self) {
       name_tag.textContent = "nickname";
   }



change nickname to your name. Refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=502404#post502404

edit this filename /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.js

TQ
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QUOTE(zero_kbom @ Mar 1 2010, 11:10 PM)
AFAIK Maemo 5 UI on N900 was being build on GTK+, not QT4 as u hve stated before...but then, this is not really important LOL laugh.gif

And from what u hve stated before,agree that Nokia do support their older phone....heck they still roll out updates for N95 and N82 earlier this year if im not mistaken

And Nokia haven't state that N900 will be upgradable to Maemo6 in the future....ALTHOUGH there are some assuring saying from the community that Meego MAYBE can be ported to N900 due to its FULLY open nature (for example, although being dubbed as open source, N900 UI was closed sourced...meaning oni free for Nokia to modify etc)....just keep ur finger crossed....

Not to mention, I also have to say that WinMo is very2 underrated, as much as how Android is underrated...And at this stage...looking at how things going for Android OS...I hve to say that fragmentation can be a silent killer for them sad.gif

Last but not least...I am FULLY agree that hardware specs is very important if u want a future proof device icon_rolleyes.gif
BTW...plz Clareen and Eteam Trade....don't increase ur N900 AP price...Im a poor student LOL laugh.gif
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But the N900 does have Qt4 library built-in already, just not Qt4.6. There're apps which are build using Qt4 which gives better UI design, similar to current N900 UI. I'm not sure those cool N900 UI is GTK+ based or Qt based, but looks like Qt based or was it simply the core of N900? Anyway, it's a very cool looking UI.

I think possibly what the community mentioned is that, non-official port. Hahaha tongue.gif
Anyway, there's a dual boot video of N900 booting Maemo and Andriod.

WinMo loose our in terms of UI design; What we see now is those themes or manufacturer specified themes; The core itself is very old fashion with win 3.11 looking scrollbars, ugly buttons, plain looking calendar, plain looking text messaging, etc. It never change since I've been using WinMo 2002! Gosh.. What have they been doing for so many version changes? The OS itself is quite powerful and customizable, I've not use WM6 and above, but previous versions, you can basically customize a lot of things, edit the registry and such. But MS have already known that their OS and developement tools are lack of multimedia or rich content. VS2008 are multimedia targeted, and the have many developments tools which are competing against tools like Flash and so on, even Vista they've OS are multimedia rich. Only their mobile OS still old fashioned; possibly why they ditch the entire WinMo OS and start over with Windows Phone 7. In the recent interview, seems MS is finally targeting a device which has the power of the PC at the hands, which was what the PocketPC suppose to do but never did properly. (And my, the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7 is high, 1GHz processor is the minimum)

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running...d-news-1477.php

I don't think the Android is underrated? Isn't it very popular? Many people are looking forward for Android devices and there're so many choices around; I think many are waiting for the X10 possibly. The Motorola Droid/Milestone seems great and great competitor against the N900 as both have very similar design and looks very much the same, but it looses out in some specs (e.g. 512Mb internal memory vs 32GB on N900). For those who wants less bulky phone, the milestone/droid is a great choice, plus the build quality is great.


Added on March 1, 2010, 11:41 pm
QUOTE(meLi @ Mar 1 2010, 11:28 PM)
I'm using fMMS its working. Im using Celcom.
To change YOU to yr nickname follow this step

just edit the .js-file.

Orignal Code:

CODE
if (item.name_str != "") {
       name_tag.textContent = item.name_str;
   }


to Code:

CODE
if (item.name_str != "") {
       name_tag.textContent = item.name_str;
   }

if (item.name_str != "" && item.self) {
       name_tag.textContent = "nickname";
   }

change nickname to your name. Refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=502404#post502404

edit this filename /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.js

TQ
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Ah thanks a lot bro!!!

Too many page, totally missed that part~

Thanks again~
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:38 PM)
But the N900 does have Qt4 library built-in already, just not Qt4.6. There're apps which are build using Qt4 which gives better UI design, similar to current N900 UI. I'm not sure those cool N900 UI is GTK+ based or Qt based, but looks like Qt based or was it simply the core of N900? Anyway, it's a very cool looking UI.

I think possibly what the community mentioned is that, non-official port. Hahaha  tongue.gif
Anyway, there's a dual boot video of N900 booting Maemo and Andriod.

WinMo loose our in terms of UI design; What we see now is those themes or manufacturer specified themes; The core itself is very old fashion with win 3.11 looking scrollbars, ugly buttons, plain looking calendar, plain looking text messaging, etc. It never change since I've been using WinMo 2002! Gosh.. What have they been doing for so many version changes? The OS itself is quite powerful and customizable, I've not use WM6 and above, but previous versions, you can basically customize a lot of things, edit the registry and such. But MS have already known that their OS and developement tools are lack of multimedia or rich content. VS2008 are multimedia targeted, and the have many developments tools which are competing against tools like Flash and so on, even Vista they've OS are multimedia rich. Only their mobile OS still old fashioned; possibly why they ditch the entire WinMo OS and start over with Windows Phone 7. In the recent interview, seems MS is finally targeting a device which has the power of the PC at the hands, which was what the PocketPC suppose to do but never did properly. (And my, the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7 is high, 1GHz processor is the minimum)

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running...d-news-1477.php

I don't think the Android is underrated? Isn't it very popular? Many people are looking forward for Android devices and there're so many choices around; I think many are waiting for the X10 possibly. The Motorola Droid/Milestone seems great and great competitor against the N900 as both have very similar design and looks very much the same, but it looses out in some specs (e.g. 512Mb internal memory vs 32GB on N900). For those who wants less bulky phone, the milestone/droid is a great choice, plus the build quality is great.

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OLOLOL...My bad...mistyped that...I actually want to say that Android OS is very2 OVERrated...as how much Winmobile is UNDERrated...Epic fail from me doh.gif
Different type of OS will appeal for different type of consumer...and I hve to say that both of the OSes (is this rite? lol) have their own appeal...
In my POV...Android OS will appeal for the consumer who prefers slick looking interface + good func without hving to be restricted in wall guarded garden.. *cough a certain fruit company cough*...and WinMo will be preferred for the business minded ones....For me? I'm using Symbian OS lol....Function over form FTW rclxm9.gif

And yes...it will be unofficial port if what the community is saying...mybe it is just the same as the OS2008 Hacker Edition released by Nokia for the 770 internet tablet...just keep our finger crossed wink.gif

For N900 booting android...I have to mention that Canonical, the guys behind Ubuntu was porting the required libraries for running Android OS apps on Ubuntu....(although the progress is very slow but hey an effort is great enuff lol)...It means that once the project completed, it can be ported for the usage of ARM proc....What im trying to say that why bother with running full android when you could just run android os apps natively on N900 rclxm9.gif (although again...we must wait for the project to finish first haih sweat.gif )

For the N900 UI...yes the UI of N900 was being based on GTK+ while the QT part is being used for apps...the migration of Maemo UI from GTK+ to Qt will occur in Maemo 6...And this is confirmed by Nokia themselves nod.gif

Again...just sharing my point of view here...and really sorry for the mistake LOL laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(zero_kbom @ Mar 2 2010, 12:07 AM)
OLOLOL...My bad...mistyped that...I actually want to say that Android OS is very2 OVERrated...as how much Winmobile is UNDERrated...Epic fail from me doh.gif
Different type of OS will appeal for different type of consumer...and I hve to say that both of the OSes (is this rite? lol) have their own appeal...
In my POV...Android OS will appeal for the consumer who prefers slick looking interface + good func without hving to be restricted in wall guarded garden.. *cough a certain fruit company cough*...and WinMo will be preferred for the business minded ones....For me? I'm using Symbian OS lol....Function over form FTW rclxm9.gif

And yes...it will be unofficial port if what the community is saying...mybe it is just the same as the OS2008 Hacker Edition released by Nokia for the 770 internet tablet...just keep our finger crossed wink.gif

For N900 booting android...I have to mention that Canonical, the guys behind Ubuntu was porting the required libraries for running Android OS apps on Ubuntu....(although the progress is very slow but hey an effort is great enuff lol)...It means that once the project completed, it can be ported for the usage of ARM proc....What im trying to say that why bother with running full android when you could just run android os apps natively on N900 rclxm9.gif (although again...we must wait for the project to finish first haih sweat.gif )

For the N900 UI...yes the UI of N900 was being based on GTK+ while the QT part is being used for apps...the migration of Maemo UI from GTK+ to Qt will occur in Maemo 6...And this is confirmed by Nokia themselves nod.gif

Again...just sharing my point of view here...and really sorry for the mistake LOL laugh.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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LoL, alright. Thanks for your information sharing. I'm also new to the Maemo OS, etc. No worries, we share our pov and information and at the same time correct each other in case any wrong info or misunderstanding icon_rolleyes.gif

Haven't use Android before but the feature it have is pretty good and unique too and being "open source". Personally, I don't find Android as slick as Maemo, hahaha; To me, the Android UI looks much simpler, pretty much like the iPhone, while the Maemo looks sophisticated, classy and multimedia rich content.

Yea, I'm also fan of Symbian especially the older versions which has less restrictions, such as the era of N-Gage, 3650, 6600.... we can install tons of apps easily, there're great file managers, we can send files easily. I can play N-Gage version KOF on the 6600 and bluetooth with my friend! During that time, those games graphics are the bomb for handphones. Even up till now, it's still way better than most of the Java Games.
I drop WinMo since 2002/2003 version as I find it's phone functionality and sms lacking. I've having both WinMo and Symbian device and I prefer Symbian device much more, it's much more user friendly and more "proper". Got another PPC with WinMo 5 later but the UI is still disappointing; only thing I like is the apps, apps, apps. Same goes for the iPhone, the great thing about iPhone is the apps/games...
Would be great if those apps/games can be ported to N900 tongue.gif

But the N900 actually have a few very good app.

For camera lovers, really really should check out QuickPanorama app in the OVI Store.
I'm so surprise how the app works on the fly sooo smoothly and easily... Last time, in order to capture panorama images, I have to take multiple picture, then use a software to create the panorama picture. This app for N900 work like a charm and no need to take picture, just like taking video~ OMG! It's so amazing!

Numpty Physics; Amazing game, the idea and design is very creative~


Stellarium; Another amazing app, more of a science app but darn, it looks so "high tech":



Btw, for those who think the N900 is lacking of apps/games, think again. The N900 has full Flash 9 support, that means... you can play those flash games, flash videos, etc. Check out newgrounds.com for the various types of games available as well as great videos made with flash.
These flash apps/games alone easily beat the number of apps/games available for iPhone; until iPhone have full Flash support in the future.

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QUOTE(zero_kbom @ Mar 1 2010, 11:10 PM)
AFAIK Maemo 5 UI on N900 was being build on GTK+, not QT4 as u hve stated before...but then, this is not really important LOL laugh.gif

And from what u hve stated before,agree that Nokia do support their older phone....heck they still roll out updates for N95 and N82 earlier this year if im not mistaken

And Nokia haven't state that N900 will be upgradable to Maemo6 in the future....ALTHOUGH there are some assuring saying from the community that Meego MAYBE can be ported to N900 due to its FULLY open nature (for example, although being dubbed as open source, N900 UI was closed sourced...meaning oni free for Nokia to modify etc)....just keep ur finger crossed....

Not to mention, I also have to say that WinMo is very2 underrated, as much as how Android is underrated...And at this stage...looking at how things going for Android OS...I hve to say that fragmentation can be a silent killer for them sad.gif

Last but not least...I am FULLY agree that hardware specs is very important if u want a future proof device icon_rolleyes.gif
BTW...plz Clareen and Eteam Trade....don't increase ur N900 AP price...Im a poor student LOL laugh.gif
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Don't worry the price will drop smile.gif
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hopefully everything will be ok with this phone ..
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QUOTE(joeroxworld @ Mar 2 2010, 04:00 AM)
hopefully everything will be ok with this phone ..
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I think it depends on the users, no/less users means this product is not in demand = less developers = less Nokia support.
It also depends on the developers, if there're many nice apps, this phone can stay strong; The problem is, the N900 is the ONLY Maemo5 device available... But the good news is, with Qt4.6 support, we can rest assured that the apps developed in Qt4.6 are compatible.

For Nokia part, what we need them is for the firmware updates, bug fixes, demand-list. For bug fixes, I'm sure Nokia will still support in the future, I believe at least they will make it stable before slowing down the updates. The demand-list or request for features/function, might take some time; But for now, they're pushing the updates as much as possible.

Just make sure you really like the phone and are able to accept its current weakness/drawbacks before making the final decision. The best is to get your hands-on the device, once you've touched and played with the real thing, it makes a difference. Of course, if there's no chance to touch and play with it, YouTube has tons of virtual hands-on videos, including unpacking the box videos, 1st time booting up (which is very unique for this device), etc.

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If the price different is so huge(bout 1K), then there is no reason to get the original unit cause even half way thru. if the AP set failed, you can still change the faulty part with the extra 1K excess and still have some extra money left.

RM2999 is just too insane for this new and last gen. device. I will only seriously consider this unit if only it is less than 2K. Anything more i will go for Nexus or X10.

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