G'day there peeps!, im thinking getting my very first LCD TV as my old TV its dying (color fading etc.).

Im pretty noob in this LCD TV, what should i look for?.. esp. nowadays theres 60hz, 100hz, and now 600hz?!... its that just marketing trick?..

Btw, my budget its rm3.5k (whats the best value for that budget either LCD or Plasma recommendation its fine, do tell why tho..^^) for 40inch and above (with good stand as im not planning to wall-mount it).

Lastly... juz wondering.. its it a good time to buy?.. (i know.. i know... thats pretty lame question ).

Thanks in advanced for those who replied

(Fyi : will be using for movies and PS3 games).

Cheers

This post has been edited by TomatomanzSeedlezz: Aug 23 2009, 06:38 AM

samsung LA40650.

Wow... pretty quick reply there.. not to mention the time.. lol

Btw, any pros/cons on the Samsung LA40650?.. and how much izzit?..

Cheers

I might sound a little blunt but you should do some reading/reviews on your own after getting recommendations.

I got a good deal on Panasonic 42" Full HD Plasma, P42S10K below RM3000. RM3500 will land you on 42" Plasma on most brands.

or Panasonic Plasma P42X10K. much cheaper

He wants FullHD la

hehe...now you can see forummers are divided into two...LCD and Plasma users

Plasma user..hehe like me...swear by them...even against LCDs that are FULLHD.
The Plasmas natural colors, better blacks and nice view from wider angles just wins...

If wanna talk about sharpnest of a FullHD how sharp you want a picture to be?
Are you using Bluray sources for you TV? For the normal DVD, Astro or even MKV files..
Plasma is just right. Of course Plasma also has FullHD models but are expensive.


Get the Panny Plasma

acterly not so much cheaper.. I think only 250-300 difference..

for that amount, you are getting 1million lesser pixel (between 1366x768 and 1920x1080).. which I think not so good bargain..

tat panny only 1024 X 768

so far the 600hz is panasonic plasma TV, not LCD TV, LCD TV highest is 200Hz and it is more smoother than plasma 600hz.

most of the LCD TV are around 60hz or 100hz while 200hz is for higher end model.

i recommend you go for samsung series 6 LCD TV 32"

Oh its not even 768p for x10? Then overpriced lor usa selling around rm1.9k

grab the panny P42S10K and be happy...

sorry for a noob question...is 600hz on plasma same as 100hz on LCD?

As I said, its war between LCD and Plasma Users...everyone says theirs is better...

For me is plasma

dun my old Panny PV70 cost 5.4K!!...nevermind, I'll change it when I really see a big difference from the current crop.
So far, seems like those expensive LED samsung are the ones that really look nice now.

This post has been edited by azbro: Aug 23 2009, 10:05 PM

Sorry to borrow your thread bro, i am a noob who is looking for a Full HD TV

So far got these 2 Panny models in my mind which are Plasma 42S10K and LCD 37G10K. Their price are about the same but don't know which is better

Therefore, got few things to consider as below which are:
Screen Size: 42>37 plasma wins
For Astro: ???
For Xbox and PS3: ???
For RMVB Movies: ???
Picture quality(sharpness,brightness etc): ???
The user always pause game or leave tv on: ???
Image retention or burn in: ???

Don't know what else i can consider, if u do please list them out...
I hope all the brothers and sisters here can help me out...Any comments are welcome...thanks a lot

This post has been edited by yslysl: Aug 24 2009, 12:15 AM

I see.. hmm... i kinda confused abt refreshrate too... esp. Plasma vs LCD.

Some of my frens said theres hardly noticeable at 60hz... hmmm...

Yea.. thats the thing.. its confusing at times.. which ones are better (LCD vs Plasma).. lol

And abt my usage, will be some PS3 gaming too, so movies and gaming.

Panasonic S10 eh?.. hmmm... whats the cheapest for it now?... any on going special deals/package going on?..

Yea, Samsung LED looks good.. but definately out of my budget =/

Cheers

This post has been edited by TomatomanzSeedlezz: Aug 24 2009, 02:17 AM

If I'm not mistaken Jusco is selling S10 at RM3899
The X10 selling at RM2899.....better check it out yourself for the latest prices...
But you need to scout around other places too for the Merdeka sales

i tot our malaysia system is PAL, 50Hz?
motion plua/flow double to 100Hz

The cheapest is RM2999 for S10 from jintex. But you are too late for few days cause the promotion had just been withdraw ...

Here is the dealer quote:

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Added on August 24, 2009, 1:44 pmOnly, as far as I know, few people managed to get it at RM2,999...

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Added on August 24, 2009, 1:45 pmRM3899 is too expensive. Normal price is around RM3,200...

This post has been edited by low98944: Aug 24 2009, 01:45 PM

Wow...good price...should grab it.

1) Samsung LA40B530
2) Sony KLV-40S550A
3) Panasonic TH-P42S10K

Among these 3... which one its best bang for buck?..

Awww.. man...

Cheers

This post has been edited by TomatomanzSeedlezz: Aug 25 2009, 03:54 AM

After two hours deciding on these three same model. I finally end up choosing samsung. I wanted to take the pana 42 inch plasma originally, but the salesperson in SenQ say he will be selling the display set since he claim its too hard to find the stock. I didn't bought his excuse, so I just pass off the offer and decided to choose Samsung over sony. The sony model was good and decent, and for that price....its very cheap compared to the other sony models, but I realised that samsung is the real player in the lcd market as they make their own lcd panel. I even heard that sony bought samsung panel but make its own body then pass the model as its own.

My personal opinion, looking at samsung leading the race in lcd tv (whats more with its new led tv), I know I made the better choice. Nonetheless, I do agree that panasonic has the better range of full hd plasma tvs with very appealing prices included. Its only the design that is a turn off.

Regarding the general difference between plasma and lcd, here is some point I learn:

1) astro sux on both. CRT tv pwns both model.
2) lcd reflect less and has a wider viewing angle than plasma.
3) movies looks better and natural on plasma. (by significant difference)
4) 3d movies and games looks better on lcd. (by slight difference)
5) plasma heats up slightly more than lcd.
6) plasma takes up more electricity than lcd.

I know the advantages seem to incline towards lcd, but when you compare plasma and lcd side by side, you know that the quality of pictures made a lot of difference. That is why I say plasma looks more natural and softer compared to lcd. But of course for movies that shows alot of 3d and games with bright colours, lcd wins hands down.

This post has been edited by funnyTONE: Aug 25 2009, 12:58 PM

Thanks for the recommendation and thoughts there.

Hmmm.. im curious no one recommended Philips LCD TV.. their pricing looks very attractive, and the design pretty cool too.

Like PHILIPS PFL5609S for rm3499, any thoughts on that?..

Cheers

7) plasma have better contrast than lcd (speciailly for those middle to lower end plasma)

QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Aug 25 2009, 12:48 PM)

After two hours deciding on these three same model. I finally end up choosing samsung. I wanted to take the pana 42 inch plasma originally, but the salesperson in SenQ say he will be selling the display set since he claim its too hard to find the stock. I didn't bought his excuse, so I just pass off the offer and decided to choose Samsung over sony. The sony model was good and decent, and for that price....its very cheap compared to the other sony models, but I realised that samsung is the real player in the lcd market as they make their own lcd panel. I even heard that sony bought samsung panel but make its own body then pass the model as its own.

My personal opinion, looking at samsung leading the race in lcd tv (whats more with its new led tv), I know I made the better choice. Nonetheless, I do agree that panasonic has the better range of full hd plasma tvs with very appealing prices included. Its only the design that is a turn off.

Regarding the general difference between plasma and lcd, here is some point I learn:

1) astro sux on both. CRT tv pwns both model.
2) lcd reflect less and has a wider viewing angle than plasma.
3) movies looks better and natural on plasma. (by significant difference)
4) 3d movies and games looks better on lcd. (by slight difference)
5) plasma heats up slightly more than lcd.
6) plasma takes up more electricity than lcd.

I know the advantages seem to incline towards lcd, but when you compare plasma and lcd side by side, you know that the quality of pictures made a lot of difference. That is why I say plasma looks more natural and softer compared to lcd. But of course for movies that shows alot of 3d and games with bright colours, lcd wins hands down.

Some points to note....

1) astro sux on both. CRT tv pwns both model.
If they ever made CRTs as big as the current plasmas and lcd, it would be the same problem
2) lcd reflect less and has a wider viewing angle than plasma.
lcds are less reflective (but not the newer higher end ones that have a glass surface) but plasma has a much wider viewing angle than lcd
3) movies looks better and natural on plasma. (by significant difference)
This is personal preference and it changes quite a bit with calibration
4) 3d movies and games looks better on lcd. (by slight difference)
This is personal preference and it depends on calibration
5) plasma heats up slightly more than lcd.
plasma generates more heat
6) plasma takes up more electricity than lcd.
This one is a toss up, calibrated settings are pretty close and it really depends on the type of movie, one technology has lower consumption when showing darker scenes, while the other has lower consumption when showing bright scenes when compared to each other

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Aug 25 2009, 02:50 PM

Very true. Funny thing is, plasma owners will definitely list out the pros in plasma while lcd owners will list out the good side of lcds.

Before I purchased my samsung lcd, I'm the over-the-fence spectator. Now that I've chosen a side, I guess my opinion is just as biased as the guy above me.

Its best to decide on your own....the rest of us are just sharing our 2 cent opinion on the matter.

I was not trying to be biased, the information that I gave is clearly documented. Especially your comment on the viewing angles that is inaccurate.

trust anfieldude....he is expert
and all things he said above are supported by research documentation...
each LCD and plasma have their own strength & weaknesses as well....even the mighty KURO by Pioneer.....

funnytone...u want to buy at senq ar?????better buy from here la....good and better price..

his view point is very valid wan.., he's mr TV calibrator.. people got golden ears for hi fi, he got golden eyes!

Yes, I realise anfield has a valid reputation as mr. expert in this field. I'll just assume everyone else has taken sides except him. Although I'm sure everyone would wish the lcd/plasma market players (sony, samsung, sharp, etc) would eventually make up a product that has the best of both world. I'm expecting oled technology to step up to the challenge, albeit a few years in the future.

For the moment, most of us are grateful that we can enjoy our tv screen with better luxury...one that we're previously exclusive for the rich only. Now that I'm a LCD owner, I'm always eyeballing plasma screens with envy. I'm sure it works both ways on the other side.

Why SenQ? 'Cause I'm staying in Tangkak and that's the closest I can have to a decent offer.

Lol sony and samsung actually have a joint venture in producing LCD panels, and the company is called s-lcd. They both own 50/50 in shares for the company, with exception that samsung has extra 1 share while sony has less 1 share. But sony has stopped the joint venture if im not mistaken, and is now collaborating with sharp to produce panels.

And, surprise surpirse, Samsung do not use some of their own panels in their lower end models. They either use CMO or AUO supplied panels, same with Sony. CMO and AUO are one of the largest panel makers in the world, and they supply for many other companies besides sony and samsung.

Dont let the salesman that pushes samsung to fool you. Trust your eyes instead of them saying that Sony uses Samsung panels and because of that, the quality is low. The reason most of them do that is because Samsung pays better comission for sales than Sony

Buy both then matter solved.
And also one each of other brands.

having own both.. I don't infact the LCD goes into the guest room.. as spare..

LOL

Viewing angle is a big, big thing for me. To me, there's not much point having a big TV if other people watching with me gets washed-out colours being too off center.

Problem with Plasma is the burn-in as I'm using it as a desktop replacement. Of course, I try to mitigate it by watching series episode/play games between web surfing.

Hmmm.. i heard that Plasma TV has "image retention" thingie, which its not good for PC izzit?.. or gaming?..

Cheers

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Added on August 27, 2009, 11:54 pmHey peeps!, i pretty much narrowed down two LCD TVs :-

1) LG LG80FR 42"
or
2) Samsung LA40B30 40"

Samsung one will be abt rm500 cheaper than LG.

Btw, i heard LG LG80FR 42" its 100Hz, is it true?.. thats great for HTPC users rite?..

Any thoughts?..

(Fyi : i'll use it for Astro, DVD, BD soon, as i get my ps3, and mabbe some HTPC action.. heh).

Cheers

This post has been edited by TomatomanzSeedlezz: Aug 27 2009, 11:54 PM

for me, it is the same

actually is very subjective, some people like plasma and some like LCD

i like LCD for power savings and less heat

and i notice juddering in many plasma TV when i go to the shop and see, LCD TV seems like giving a clearer picture quality to me.

Tangkak to Muar / Melaka is less than 30mins what I'm sure there's more choices there... gosh, I miss Tangkak Beef Noodle...

We're humans/geeks are never satisfied with our gadgets!

Anyway, I believe OLED will only be energy saving... the only thing we should wait for is the next step in experience AV in our homes... would it be 3D? Virtual? etc

u plug a cable into ur brain and u will believe ur in the movie itself.....that will be the ultimate movie experience....

My advice...trust me bro. get the Panny TH-P42S10K.

I like your tenacity and drive..

Confidently promoting Plasma on a LCD territory ... u work for PKR? ...

panasonic promotion booklet for august till sept show 'v' and 'z' series....but without price tag....

so go and grab s10k bro,,,,

Its already 3 pages and thread starter still not decide yet...so before the salesman makes a sucker out of him, better I close the decision on something worth while

we vote with our wallets, via our purchases ..

This post has been edited by ar188: Aug 28 2009, 12:21 PM

vote with our wallets ...

Seconded/Thirded/Whatever...

As I mentioned before, I wanted to purchase that set, but the senQ salesmen was gonna sell me the display unit for the quoted price of $3499. He even had the audicity to tell me that model very, very hard to find in whole MAlaysia.

I'm sure you can't go wrong with this plasma model. I did compare it with the others, and yes....the viewing is very pleasing.

Heh... now my bro thinking getting 50S10, but in other thread, someone said Plasma TV not good for pc used... hmmm...

So, issit true?..

Cheers

heres my 2 cent...

yesterday i just finished calibrating my Samsung LA37S81BX/SHI 37" LCD using the Spyder3TV....the calibrator is quite an amateur product but i realise after getting the right brightness n contrast, i lose out on a lot of details...the black is a lot nicer but the darker shades of gray became black as well...i can hardly differentiate between black and gray....if i increase the brightness, i see more details but all black items turns to gray which is also quite annoying....i cant get a balance setting.....i later tried the calibrator on my friends older panny plasma....the plasma gave a much better black level with higher details and you can easily differentiate between gray and black ....the color is more natural and the contrast is just fantastic even when compared to the newer range of LCD tv....

Thats why I still dun see any see why to change my old panny to something newer...images are more or less the same....but those expensive LED ones are really nice...wait for it to come down in price first.

Anyway, are you using the Spyder3TV together with its hardware or using the software alone?

any shops you guys can recommend near Sri Kembangan / Putrajaya / Puchong?

Plan to buy an entry level LCD.

Here I hear people say panasonic good.
Somewhere else hear Sony bravia good.
A colleague of mine says Toshiba is good.

Which one is good

I saw LG comes with 2 years of warranty. Others have 1 year.. why? LG that good that they dare to give 2 years warranty or that bad because it will break down that soon?

I'm so confused. The more research I did the more confusing it is. I need some human help pls.

if u got budget just go for Panny Plasma P42S10K Full HD. got it yesterday for RM3099 + RM150 for additional 2 yrs warranty = 5 yrs warranty. hehe

good PQ on astro....even my normal dvd's look good. can't wait to try on bluray

You have seen nothing yet then ...

hi,can i know where did u get ur panny for rm3099? 2+1 e-warranty + rm150 for extra 2 years?

got it from iamsobloodysick...pm him. a good seller here, i highly recommend him

Welcome to the darkside

What do you meant? Care to elaborate?

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Added on September 2, 2009, 8:39 amHi, I'm confused there is so many threads on this Panasonic Plasma 42"
All claim Latest Full HD Plasma, TH-P42X10K vs TH-P42S10K? So which is better? Can explain further?



This post has been edited by DarkNite: Sep 2 2009, 08:39 AM

Between the X10 and S10 bang for bucks is the S10 (FullHD)

Regarding the Panasonic Models for 42inch, got so many I also dunno what is what....anyway here is goes...I might be mistaken.
Latest ones are group as G,S,X and C.

42PY700H: Used to be top of the range (FHD)
P42G10K: Current top of the range (FHD)
P42S10K: Great features (FHD)
42LZ80MK: LCD model (FHD)
P42X10K: Top of the range for HD (HD)
P42C10K: Budget model(HD)
42PV80H: Older model (HD)

i've saw P42C10K and P42S10K in shop, both seems nothing different while playing same movie in bluray, both looks smooth n sharp, C10 price is attracting

X top range?.
How abt 800 and 850 for 50inches ar?

This post has been edited by ar188: Sep 2 2009, 12:09 PM

best value should be sammy LCD 40 B530 FHD . someone bought this for RM 2800.superb black level for the price

the above recent price for panny p42s10 look tempting too

waiting for my preferred sammy 42 B450 plasma to drop price. plasma is kinder to the eyes

power consumption for sammy model is more economical than panny . the panny G series is scary

the korean apparently have triumph over the jap

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Sep 2 2009, 12:13 PM

What type of blu-ray their play? Pirated or origianl. Do you know that their also can play DVD in blu-ray player and what type of cable their used to connect FullHD TV with Blu-ray player?

My point is you, must make sure their have fully utilised the potential of Blu-ray player and FullHD TV before you can make accurate conclusion.

This post has been edited by low98944: Sep 2 2009, 12:17 PM

solli for double post

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Sep 2 2009, 12:18 PM

Put simply, the S10 is a FullHD panel, hence to view it in its full display glory, use a HD source, eg. BD.

Lots of people still buy the best available, ie. FHD but they DO NOT have a HD video source, preferring only to DVDs and Astro, and end up grumbling about the supposed quality of the panel.

The amazing thing is, some retailers are still 'showcasing' FHD panels using DVDs ...

hmm... maybe, yup the cable is important.... so wat the point significant show differ between HD & Full HD ? I'm now consider to have a plasma

The main difference is resolution. But first, you should consider what type of movie/TV you want to watch in the first place.

For example, if your new Plasma is mainly for watching Astro and play DVD, then HD ready is sufficient to meet your need and no need to purchase FullHD Plasma.

However, if you plan to purchase Blu-ray player, then you must go for FullHD Plasma to maximise the quality of your movie. For course, you need HDMI cable to connect Blu-ray player with FullHD Plasma. I noted so dealers will use component cable to connect Blu-ray player with FullHD Plasma when HDMI is not included in the package. If that happen, you don't expect you will see the true power of Blu-ray.

X is top range for HDlah....not FHD

in the past that's quite true when HD and FHD is around double the price..

but nowadays, no need to consider the lesser model when it's only 300-400 diff between the X10 and S10.. would you pay 10-15% less for something that gives you 62% or 1.3million pixels less??

also similar spec FHD panny in US is around the same as our S10 pricing, while X10 equivalent in US is selling below RM2k..

What's the spec for a HD movie? How to check?
1080i vs 1080p?
HD format defined as 1080 lines per frame, and 1920 pixels per line, interlace scan.
Plain language can?
DTS? x264? << what's are all these alphanumeric means?
Are all BD movies HD?

in order for it to be top HD (not FHD) shouldn't it at least be 1366x768 rez?

All BDs are FHD, no need the trouble, just buy a BD.

oic, now i have my ps3 setup with the 15" crt, wat a waste , actually is waiting my tv console to be done n then will go get the plasma...
as they said "a HDTV without bluray its juz a TV"... +1 for this quote

In simple term, you will only notice the difference between 1080p and 1080i when watching fast moving objects in movie.

Where as DTS etc is Audio format. Currently most BDs are either Dolby True HD, dts HD Master Audio or PCM etc as their main audio output. All these three are lossless format. But if you want to enjoy those format of audio you need to spend some more (could be huge) in hardware.

This post has been edited by low98944: Sep 2 2009, 02:48 PM

Hi guys, sorry to ride on this thread, but anyone here knows anything about LG's 50PG70FR plasma TV? I have a friend who's wanting to sell it to me for RM3.5k, brand new. Is it worth it?

dunno much about LG but RM3.5K for 50" seems interesting ....

Also, dunno why but talking to you makes me hungwy ....

don't forget X screen is super reflective...S overcomes the problem

err...even those in pasar malam?

So how much will the minimum damage be? What brand & model for a small bedroom of 14' by 14'?

That is very depend on supply in your local market and you can ask many sifu here. There are lot of expert here (I am not expert) Nevertheless, what type of audio system is mostly depend on how deep your pocket is.

Pocket not so deep la. Already kena con by the unexpected increase in petrol! And living room CRT Sony look washout, so hunting now for a plasma. What's the cheapest DECENT system that can play DTS?

He meant pasar mlm BDs ler, bro ...

Sorry I just researching only before I purchase a BD player or a HTiB. Currently I'm searching for HD movies to feed my LA32B650. Got a HDD of movies but would like to know where else to find more movies?

www.amazon.com? or, if you are a sucker, yr local $peedy or VidEzy?

This post has been edited by Lone*Wolf: Sep 2 2009, 07:48 PM

If computer have those HDMI port, and play FHD movies via computer - that too is the same as bluray rite?

Yes. If you can comfirm the source of your movie is FullHD. But usually the size of blu-ray movie is hugh. Nowaday, the lot of BD is single sided double layer which mean the disc itself can carry maximum 50GB of data. Even the local pirated BDs are only single sided and single layer (max. 25GB). Thus, I suspect local pirated BDs has somehow compress the original BD data. That will definately reduce the quality of the movie itself. Lot of extra in original BD is missing from pirated BD.

out of topic

They may use 50GB disc but doesn'tr mean it's full. If by taking away the special features etc. can fit the movie and sound to a single layer disc, then you can get the same quality.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Sep 3 2009, 10:08 AM

That is such posibility. However, not all BDs after remove special features can fit in one 25GB BD disc. For example, based on http://www.dvdbeaver.com's review:

1. Braveheart - Runtime : 2:57:43.152 hours
.......................Disc Size: 48,681,555,732 bytes
.......................Feature: 45,971,742,720 bytes
.......................Video Bitrate: 25.78 Mbps

2. Bangkok Dangerous - Runtime : 1:39:12.988 hours
....................................Feature film disc size: 29,397,719,040 bytes
....................................Disc Size: 41,321,354,493 bytes
....................................Average bitrate 39.51 Mbps

3. INGLORIOUS BASTARDS - Runtime : 1:39:27.541
............................................Disc Size: 48,401,460,884 bytes
............................................Feature: 19,570,305,024 bytes
............................................Video Bitrate: 23.99 Mbps

This post has been edited by low98944: Sep 3 2009, 12:50 PM

Thanks for the info, but can you fix your url. No need the apostrophe S

wait a min....inglorious bastards is already available on BD????