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tessei
post Aug 21 2009, 12:41 AM

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Recovery… What Recovery?

Long time readers know that I don’t buy the claims of economic “recovery” in the slightest. Often times I see folks on CNBC asking, “when will things get back to how they were?” The simple answer is…

NEVER.

The US has entered a New Normal… a new economic climate… and it is one dominated by:


§ Higher consumer savings

§ Lower consumer spending

§ Rising unemployment

§ Lower corporate profits

§ Increased Government spending/ transfer

§ Reduced private sector growth

§ Excess capacity

§ Reduced production

§ Excess bank reserves

§ Reduced lending

This is, in a nutshell, a bleak economic picture. It is, however, reality. I know the media is now rife with folks predicting the end of the Recession. I even know “smart” analysts who are saying the same at independent research firms.

In terms of the REAL economic picture, these folks are completely misguided and wrong. The US is facing the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. This is NOT a plain vanilla recession. And while stocks may (and I emphasize that word) have staged their major bottoms in March, the US economy has yet to remotely turn around.

Consider that:


§ 34 million Americans are on food stamps

§ 18% of incomes coming from an already broke government

§ Seven million people will run out of unemployment insurance by Christmas (add their families and you have 13 million folks becoming destitute)

§ Tax receipts are at their lowest levels since 1932

§ 32 states have budget problems ($121 billion in total deficits) and the Federal Government is running a $2 trillion deficit

§ Civil unrest growing: National Guard May Be Called to Alabama

§ Industrial capacity for May ’09 was 68%: an ALL TIME low (roughly 1/3 of our plants and production facilities are doing nothing at all).

§ Rail carload volume for 1H09 is down 19% from the already plunging level of 1H08.

§ Even after laying off people and cutting costs, Quarter over Quarter Corporate Revenues and Profits fell 17% and 33% respectively in 2Q09.


Hard to get the word “recovery” out of the above. However, economics is a dark art, and in the hands of a deft accountant, you can dream up all kinds of nonsense, including a positive GDP… which we are likely to get in 3Q09.

However, with the Feds even openly acknowledging that their GDP findings are wrong (see the numerous revisions to the downside over the last year), this will be largely meaningless to anyone outside of the DC beltway.

On that note, the next time you see or hear anyone proclaiming that the recession is over, feel free to forward them the above list of data points and ask for their explanation as to how those items spell recovery.


Good Investing!


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post Aug 21 2009, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(tessei @ Aug 21 2009, 12:18 AM)
Breakdown of Trading Participant at Bursa M'sia
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thanks, nice chart. Seems only ikan bilis playing the counters until it up from early MARCH.

good run was in 2007 when foreign institution in play. Most of the shares have multi-year high in 2007
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post Aug 21 2009, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(kellyC @ Aug 20 2009, 10:54 PM)
Any idea why DJ is positive tonight with the news of jobless claims increased  rclxub.gif
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Goldman Sachs computers pumping shares up to trap people. nod.gif


Anyway..even though some stocks are up (mostly Financial), energy stocks lost ground.
Oil below $72.

S&P500 struggling to break above 1010.

Frankly, I don't mind it rallies up now. At least if it goes up, I can short from the top.
Tonight is like do nothing day. sad.gif


Added on August 21, 2009, 1:42 am
QUOTE(tessei @ Aug 21 2009, 12:41 AM)
Recovery… What Recovery?
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That copy-and-paste text is from a bear trader trying to pump people to buy his Gold fund. laugh.gif

Anyway, I am interested in precious metals. Waiting for more pullback for Gold and Silver.
Silver is definitely very attractive if below US$13/oz.



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debbieyss
post Aug 21 2009, 01:44 AM

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danmooncake, so you are still bear at the moment?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 01:44 AM)
danmooncake, so you are still bear at the moment?
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Who me?? Bear??? Na....

Do I look like a bear?? tongue.gif

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post Aug 21 2009, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 21 2009, 01:50 AM)
Who me?? Bear??? Na....

Do I look like a bear??    tongue.gif

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Everybody here knows that you are always bearish.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 01:52 AM)
Everybody here knows that you are always bearish.
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sad.gif Waiting for the Bull to finish his show..
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 21 2009, 01:57 AM)
sad.gif  Waiting for the Bull to finish his show..
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So in conclusion, it is BULL NOW!!

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 02:00 AM)
So in conclusion, it is BULL NOW!!

So, you can take a good rest now. After we earned enough, come and join the bearish party!  rclxms.gif
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Ha! No problem! The bear is patience. biggrin.gif

Actually, looking at tonight action, even though Dow/S&P green.
Oil is down! drool.gif

I got a few points there in my energy stock shorts!
Would have got more if it is not for financials.


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post Aug 21 2009, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 21 2009, 02:09 AM)
Ha! No problem! The bear is patience.  biggrin.gif

Actually, looking at tonight action, even though Dow/S&P green.
Oil is down!  drool.gif

I got a few points there in my energy stock shorts! 
Would have got more if it is not for financials.
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Well, if everything goes green, it'ld be very terrible, man...


Added on August 21, 2009, 2:21 amTomorrow i must buy buy buy and gain back my money!!!

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 21 2009, 02:20 AM)
Well, if everything goes green, it'ld be very terrible, man...


Added on August 21, 2009, 2:21 amTomorrow i must buy buy buy and gain back my money!!!
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I won't chase if I'm you.. what goes up, must come down.

If you notice for the last 10 days of trading sessions, we've been going up and down through the
same price channel. Since the last run up, there hasn't been really a true break out yet.

Therefore, I've been looking at those peak, short it.. and on the bottom buy some to ride up a bit
and sell and short again. nod.gif

But, it may not apply to your counter. Look at the chart and compare it with the general indices chart
and see if you notice those patterns.

Good luck!

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QUOTE(dilla @ Aug 20 2009, 05:35 PM)
Cherroy...u don't mind to enlighten me a BIT,,What is this RAMBUTAN counter u people are referring to..I hv been away from this site for too long and didn't get what you people mean by that Rambutan stock...
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dun tell me u go and search for "rambutan" on trading platform laugh.gif


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DJ up despite of jobless claim, huhu.... today suppose to be a good day to sell rolleyes.gif


Now US ppl dun spend and are saving money, but they dun want keep the $$ in bank for low interest, so all pour into the market wink.gif



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You guys are funny. rclxms.gif
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 21 2009, 01:57 AM)
sad.gif  Waiting for the Bull to finish his show..
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rambutan = tanjung (tanjung rambutan) drool.gif icon_rolleyes.gif


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Ding ding! Hope to get some free KFC meals today.... biggrin.gif
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dow future down, nikkei also down 0.74%

i guess ppl will sell into strength this morning hmm.gif
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Kfima can't wait to cheong, lolz.

see whether can break its previous high, which is 0.765
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Four Signs the Stock Market Has Finally Begun a Correction

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:52 AM)
dow future down, nikkei also down 0.74%

i guess ppl will sell into strength this morning hmm.gif
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Pana, you got BJTOTO? Thinking of getting some.....

Do you know it's dividend history?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:52 AM)
dow future down, nikkei also down 0.74%

i guess ppl will sell into strength this morning hmm.gif
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NYSE@ still thursday evening, after hours, there are some wierd stuff going on because of option-exp Friday.

All techs and fundi doesn't make sense here. Some big money will definitely try to
push stocks down because they don't want to sell those calls if they trade at much higher price.
Call buyers definitely profit big time because of the run up since last month.

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