wooh .... thats good

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Added on August 18, 2009, 1:02 ambro chewkl.... thought was "HornyAngMoh"

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 18 2009, 01:02 AM

Bro Horny is using 50PY700.

By the way, nice new avatar. What's his problem? Or was he playing hdie and seek?

thanks...more or less like "no eye see"

bor chew oso using rear projection TV?? thays good

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 18 2009, 09:02 AM

bro moo....ur avatar has turn from adorable to stinky

No need to do that. SVS already in the plan. Just a matter of time.

can i join KL SVS try outs?

BDs are encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 with colour bits of 8bits per colour (24bits in all RGB). Deep Colour is essentially 30, 36, 48bits. The colour needs to be converted from 24bit to 30, 36 and 48bits. Deep Colour is supposed to reduced banding and increase colour depth and all. Most displays are 8bit displays. There are some that are 10 (30)bits, 12(36) bits and 16 (48bits). Some BD players have the ability to convert to 30bits, 36bits and 48bits. This is done via a chip or algorithms. PS3, Pioneer and Oppo can do this. Or the display can do this.

Now the interesting part, there are no BDs encoded with Deep Colour, so conversion is the only way to go. I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display. Even on test signals I cannot see the benefit of this as yet. Maybe on some displays (Sammys are 30 bit, Sonys are 36bit, Pioneer 36bit) the colour conversion is already good enough that I cannot see the benefit. Some people have seen the benefit on test patterns, but I could not. Then again, I am an amateur, maybe I need to train my eyes more. Also will retest this on a bigger screen next month.

Also remember that your display will convert the signal (YCbCr) to RGB. This colour space conversion can also cause problems.

HDTVs do a lot of processing that people take for granted. My take is get a decent BD player (that does not mess up the signals to the display )but make sure that your display is very good. You will benefit more from that.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Aug 18 2009, 09:39 AM

thanks bro anfiel for your technically brief detailed explanation...
congrats on your 36bit display ( 1:1000 ratio to have it ) so you tested at the highest level you could lay hands on and thats the optimum you're getting.
in "layman" terms, you have any comments or done experimenting to normal LCD with 36bit player vs normal 1080p normal player, does the PQ makes any difference if we use a 36/48 bit BD Plyer....thanks

to me test patterns, are not important, ( test patterns might fail ) as we are too engrossed... living on theory, benchmarks, S/N ratio etc.

yes i do agree, when searching for your ultimate BD player amongst the bunch, we pause/freeze to look for hairline details, facial pimples, jaggies, you need that as reference, but at ones' day, we will be to engrossed in the movie not to mention the accompanying sound we still find thats the best we have in our HT or living room.

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 18 2009, 10:47 AM

QUOTE:

I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display.

cheers..

haha

typpo error bro should be 36/48 BD player and not TV

I've checked and too bad, my old AVR do not have Analog outs...aiyah..need to save to get a new AVR.
I'm looking at Denon AVR, which model good? Budget <rm3k.

Why you need analogue outs on the AVR? What you need is analgue IN if your AVR doesn't have HDMI. It's the BD player that must have analogue outs.

Sorry, thks for clarification, my old AVR don't have Analog In.

Oh OK, which model is that?

Maybe can get the Denon 1909, my friend bought it for RM2.1k if I van remember correctly.

My old Yamaha RX-V995.

The Oppo BD83 is a player capable of sending out 36bit and 30bit. I believe the Pioneers are the ones touting 48bit. I have tested the output of 30bit, 36bit on a 36bit capable display and have not seen any visible difference. I believe I need to look for animation titles that have been known to introduce banding (then again this is already in the source encoding, am not sure if the display can correct this) and check again.

The next time I have a chance to calibrate a display thru a Pioneer BD Player I will try to see if I can check....ronnt maybe will recheck in yours. The sammys are also supposed to be 10bit panels. (pls remember that a panel can be 10bit but it can have a colour processor that can output at 12bit)

My honest opinion, Deep Colour is way over rated. Don't pay too much attention for now.

Desa Kepong RM1900

thanks for your valuable time... gracious

your experties again,
so far in yr opinion which is BD player you have tested producing the best PQ, and also the BD models you have lay hands on... thanks

PS: and also best as CD audio AQ
terima kasih

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 18 2009, 12:01 PM

Honestly, I have not played around with too many BD players to pass judgement.

I do know this though, the Oppo BD83 if not compared to anything, has good 2 channel stereo for CD as well. However, when compared to my standalone Holfi modified Xara CD player, the Xara sounds more musical and less digital.

I will probably have to borron ron's pioneer to test out side by side to see if I can judge the sound for 2 channel stereo.

PQ, I believe most people will not be able to see the difference between the BD60, Pioneer, PS3 or Oppo for Blu Ray. It is not too different, unless you have a big screen (>50in, more apparent in >80in, still very little) and you really really really look for them.

For SD upconversion, yeah you will see differences. I believe the Pioneer BD LX52 and Oppo are pretty good (better than PS3 and Pioneer DV600 DVD player)

I have played around on the BD60, Marantz (1.1), Oppo BD83, PS3, briefly the Pioneer 51FD and the older BD35. Also ron's LX52 very briefly.

Finally we are getting in to something that should enlighten potential BD buyers
thanks again

moomos, when u come over to penang, let me know, u can judge for yourself and make a decision if the Oppo is good enuf for your 2 channel stereo pleasure.

Also I have not seen or meddled with the BD80, I am not even sure u can get it in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Aug 18 2009, 02:18 PM